Recruitment agencies - name, shame (and praise)

wexfordia

The IFSC panel are very good. They have got me several interviews and are always very helpful. I can't recall any recruitment agency as a whole being particularly bad more of a case it being individual recruiters.

snowflake1989

I would not recommend Eden Recruitment!!!

Applied for a job with the company itself, got a call back that I unfortunately missed but got a email from them asking me to ring them!!

So I rang the person in question (not mentioning names) but they were out of the office for a hour, rang back and was still out I was told a message would be left. The next day no call, so I called, the person was very abrupt and rude had no time, said they would call back and they didn't.

WHY CALL ME!! IF I DO CALL YOU AND HAVE NO INTENTION OF TALKING TO ME THEN!!!

I also then dealt with another person for another job within the company who was equally rude!! all I can say is NEVER AGAIN. I would rather job hunt myself

fitzer1982

Hi All,

I was wondering if anyone is aware of a regulator for recruitment agencies? My wife was recently invited for an interview for a HR position; the impression given was that the company outsourced their HR process to this recruitment agency.

My wife took the morning off work; she is currently working as a contractor. She arrived at the agency at the prescribed time; the agency shared its reception with the rest of the office block. She was advised that the recruiter was not in but someone else would come see her. My wife waited for close to an hour and nobody from the agency came out to see her, eventually she had to return to work.

Surely there is some organisation that regulates their practices, I've no idea what the agency was playing at but it's the most unprofessional thing I've ever heard.

hinault

fitze69 wrote: »

Hi All,

I was wondering if anyone is aware of a regulator for recruitment agencies? My wife was recently invited for an interview for a HR position; the impression given was that the company outsourced their HR process to this recruitment agency.

My wife took the morning off work; she is currently working as a contractor. She arrived at the agency at the prescribed time; the agency shared its reception with the rest of the office block. She was advised that the recruiter was not in but someone else would come see her. My wife waited for close to an hour and nobody from the agency came out to see her, eventually she had to return to work.

Surely there is some organisation that regulates their practices, I've no idea what the agency was playing at but it's the most unprofessional thing I've ever heard.

There is no regulator as such as far as I'm aware.

There is a voluntary body but it can only monitor the activity of member companies i think

http://www.nrf.ie/

RATM

There is no regulator- the NRF are an advocacy group for the industry. Was going to join them myself (as a recruitment company) until I caught one of their members trying to poach my staff. With friends like that who needs enemies

Giblet

Is it strange for a recruiter to ring my workplace, ask the helpdesk staff to forward the call to me, and then proceed to ask for my mobile and tell me about an opportunity they have for me?

Pythia

Giblet wrote: »

Is it strange for a recruiter to ring my workplace, ask the helpdesk staff to forward the call to me, and then proceed to ask for my mobile and tell me about an opportunity they have for me?

No. Is it right? I think not. But not unusual.

caroleg

Hello everyone, my first post!

I'll explain the scenario - I have been out of work around 6 months now! Over the past few months I have been approached by recruiter - brought me and conducted mock interview, told me what to improve upon. Then contacted me around two months ago about a position. I proceeded to successfully get by several stages/rounds of the interview and was told I was a strong candidate!

The company said they would then make a decision. I then seen the position was removed straight after the interview from the recruiters site. Then I contacted the recruiter where he stated he has no contact from the company and hasn't heard anything from the company yet. I know there are several roles here but the recruiter states that no one has got a reply!

I may be going crazy but is there anyway in the world that the recruiter could be lying that I didn't get the position? i.e. after all those stages of interviews and awaiting the result he proceeded to give me other roles to look at...anyone come across something like this before?..I keep asking myself what do they get out of it but just have this strong feeling.

RATM

Caroleg it sounds to me like one of two things happened with the job.

Either
1) the job got pulled- employers sometime do this if the candidates before them aren't what they're after, they might recruit for the position again in a few months time to see can they find the right person.
2) Someone else who either applied direct or through another agency got the job and it is now filled.

No 2 still doesn't explain why the recruiter hasn't let you know what is happening. It suggests to me that s/he doesn't have a good relationship with the client. S/he should be able to pick up the phone and ask about your application.

It is only professional that you be told what happened, especially after going to several interviews. For now though I'd assume that you haven't got the job- if you were the employer's preferred candidate and they were genuine about the job going ahead then you'd have an offer on the table to consider.

Delancey

The ever-growing cynic in me wonders if they didn't pull the jobs and decide to fill them as Job Bridge ' internships ' - wouldn't be the first time :rolleyes:

caroleg

Caroleg it sounds to me like one of two things happened with the job.

Either
1) the job got pulled- employers sometime do this if the candidates before them aren't what they're after, they might recruit for the position again in a few months time to see can they find the right person.
2) Someone else who either applied direct or through another agency got the job and it is now filled.

No 2 still doesn't explain why the recruiter hasn't let you know what is happening. It suggests to me that s/he doesn't have a good relationship with the client. S/he should be able to pick up the phone and ask about your application.

It is only professional that you be told what happened, especially after going to several interviews. For now though I'd assume that you haven't got the job- if you were the employer's preferred candidate and they were genuine about the job going ahead then you'd have an offer on the table to consider.

Thanks for the reply. As far as I know this recruitment company is the only used for doing the recruitment here and by the sounds of what has been explained number 1 seems highly possible. How far can you go in demanding what is going on with the recruitment agent in relation to the job? i.e. don't overdo it as it may harm your chances if it is still in the pipeline.

It is just very annoying in terms of I was told at the beginning (first interview) the process may take a few weeks which I said I understood at the time but I thought more feedback in terms of what stage we are out, if any here!

Mr. Loverman

Carol, like the other poster said, it sounds like the employer contacted the agency after doing a round of interviews to tell them they can take the advert offline.

It is absolutely possible the employer just hasn't had a chance to update the agency on who they are hiring.

When I worked in my last job (big multi-national) we would often be busy so would de-prioritise things like contacting agencies or potential hires.

Just be patient. No harm contacting the agency every couple of days to see if there is an update.

caroleg

Thank you for replying and yes you do have a valid point but is there any reason why the recruiter cannot just contact back about this after a few efforts to get in touch with no reply just to say whats going on.

I would more understand after one interview with the company but not after going through more than two or three stages of the interview process. Even to just say things are a little held up with the holidays coming!

323

Have dealt with a number of them in the past, from both sides, looking for work and trying to fill positions. Either way, nothing good to say about over 90% of them.

frag420

I have had the misfortune to have used this agency or at least tried to use this agency twice and both times I have found them to be useless, unprofessional and rude to deal with.

Most recently I went to them about possible positions. If you are not aware of the they claim to be the media specialists. I called into them one morning after making an appointment. There are only two in the small one room office. They said they had several jobs available that my experience was suitable for and ran through just one with me. They told me that they will talk with their client after lunch and will have a date for interview confirmed that afternoon.

That afternoon came and went as did several days despite several calls and emails. I was then told that the client had not got back to them. I then called the client myself as I knew someone who worked there to find out that Rightfit had never called them or forwarded my CV to them.

Since then I have not been able to get them to answer my calls, return an email. I have requested a list of companies that they have talked to or sent my CV to but still months later have not gotten anything. I even had to use a pretend name to get through to them recently and then when they picked up they were not too happy to be caught out but it was the only way I could get through to them. That was a month ago and yet I have still to hear from them. I would not recommend this company to anyone who seriously wants to work in media.

frAg

tonsiltickler

C and M Recruitment Cork are very unprofessional. They leave you with little or no information and give you very short notice. For instance, they do everything by text. Two days ago I was asked to text my bank details to them!:eek:. Later that afternoon (3pm), I received a text telling me that I had to call into their office by 5pm to sign a contract. I'm due to start on Monday, this afternoon I was called (4pm) and told I needed training, which I'm to attend tonight at 8.30pm. Not impressed.

Why aren't agencies regulated? The fact that most companies wont even deal with direct applications anymore is shocking.

One other issue I'm severely annoyed at is the pay for porfessional jobs. I'm a masters grad (engineering) with two years experience and yet any jobs that are put to me have barely above min wage pay(21-23k). There's no way I could make a living from that.

LadyGardener

Do recruitment agencies advertise fake jobs?

Because I'm seeing jobs that I applied for that were allegedly subsequently filled reappearing in blocks, literally all the jobs I applied for, all on the one website.

MysticalRain

LadyGardener wrote: »

Do recruitment agencies advertise fake jobs?

Is the Pope a Catholic?

LadyGardener

MysticalRain wrote: »

Is the Pope a Catholic?

Don't have a huge amount of experience of recruitment agencies. Any jobs I've got in the past, I've always just applied directly to the employer.

Jarren

Flexsource

Last week I had an interview for a job with well known computer chip manufacturer in Lexlip, passed all relevant tests and was all happy to start a new job.

They sent me to a distribution centre in Naas instead

Left after 2 and half hours(sweat shop,unreal targets,din't like it at all)

but the first job I applied for is filled now

P.......off with them tbh

Will never used them again!!!

ABajaninCork

tonsiltickler wrote: »

C and M Recruitment Cork are very unprofessional. They leave you with little or no information and give you very short notice. For instance, they do everything by text. Two days ago I was asked to text my bank details to them!:eek:. Later that afternoon (3pm), I received a text telling me that I had to call into their office by 5pm to sign a contract. I'm due to start on Monday, this afternoon I was called (4pm) and told I needed training, which I'm to attend tonight at 8.30pm. Not impressed.

Why aren't agencies regulated? The fact that most companies wont even deal with direct applications anymore is shocking.

One other issue I'm severely annoyed at is the pay for porfessional jobs. I'm a masters grad (engineering) with two years experience and yet any jobs that are put to me have barely above min wage pay(21-23k). There's no way I could make a living from that.

Are C & M the crowd in Oliver Plunkett St? If they are, they're a shower of *****. Messed my husband around something chronic.

And I agree that they are completely unprofessional.

cladda1112

Anyone know anything about the new law that i think was to start at the beginining of Dec regarding equal pay for people that were employed through recruitment agencies. I know one agency who my partner works for that says it does not apply to them.

Jarren

It does apply to them ,they just don't want to implement it.
It's called the agency workers temporary directive or something like that,
I can't find the link now (posting from a mobile phone,sorry)

cladda1112

jarecki1976 wrote: »

It does apply to them ,they just don't want to implement it.
It's called the agency workers temporary directive or something like that,
I can't find the link now (posting from a mobile phone,sorry)

Thanks 4 your reply. Was hoping that his wages would go up alittle for christmas but that looks unlightly. This seems like another thing that we are going to have to kick up a fuss about before we get it. Another bad thing about Recruitment agencies.

whatnext

There is no new law. yet

There is an EU directive, which was to be implemented by the 5th of December.
However the legislation has still not been published for Ireland, and most likely wont be published until January. What ever is in it is likely to be back dates to the 5th of Dec.

The key point of the new legislation will be "what constitutes pay"

Its is also likely that only contractors / temp staff engaged on a PAYE contract will be covered in the new legislation.

Jarren

Hays actually posted the new EU directive on their website


TEMPORARY AGENCY WORK DIRECTIVE


Following an announcement last night from the Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation, Richard Bruton, the EU Directive on temporary agency work will come into effect as of Monday 5th December. The ‘last minute’ implementation of this Directive dictates that users of temporary agency workers will now need to take certain steps to ensure their compliance with the Directive. We’d like to inform you of the measures contained in the Directive and the steps we advise you to take to ensure your compliance.

What is the Temporary Agency Work Directive (also known as the Agency Workers Directive, or AWD)?

This is an EU Directive to determine that agency workers are afforded equal rights under Article 31 of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union. The Directive is part of a series of legislation to protect ‘atypical workers’ and follows the Part-Time Workers Directive and the Fixed Term Contractors Directive.

The AWD establishes that “the basic working and employment conditions applicable to temporary agency workers should be at least those which would apply to such workers if they were recruited by the user undertaking to occupy the same job” (article 5, clause 1 of the Directive). There are additional clauses governing the principle of equal treatment in respect of access to permanent positions and to facilities and amenities.

Why is this being implemented at short notice?

There is, as yet, no legislation for this Directive and the substantive issue around definition of pay remained unclear. It was understood, and legal opinion established, that there would be no application of the Directive until the bill had been published and enacted. Minister Bruton’s statement last night indicates that the government position is that this will apply, despite the lack of any legislation, as of Monday 5th December. It is therefore our advice to our customers to take measures now to comply.

What are the implications for Employers?

Employers are now bound to establish equal treatment for temporary agency workers as of day one of the temporary assignment. This differs from the implementation in the UK where a twelve week derogation period has been agreed.

The key aspects of equal treatment are around pay (article 5, clause 1), access to vacant posts (article 6, clause 1) and amenities (article 6, clause 4).

Pay:
Temporary agency workers must be paid the same rate as if they had been hired directly by the end user. It is important to note that the comparator is the individual themselves and not someone doing a similar job.

Access to Vacant Posts:
Temporary agency workers must be informed of, and allowed to apply for, vacant posts in the same way as other workers in the organisation.

Amenities:
Temporary agency workers must have access to the same amenities and facilities as directly employed workers.

Of the above, the issue of pay is potentially most problematic and will require close co-operation with your employment agency. It will be necessary to determine the equivalent pay for the temporary worker/s, either via reference to established pay scales or in consultation with your employment agency. This information must be shared with the employment agency in order that they can ensure compliance with the Directive. Holiday pay will be included for the purposes of this Directive. We will therefore need to know the correct holiday entitlement in addition to the equivalent salary.

It is vital that the above exercise is undertaken and recorded for every temporary agency worker, or category of temporary agency worker, in order to protect your business from any possible liability or claim arising from entitlements under the Directive.


http://www.hays.ie/press-releases/HAYS_506614


How come other recruitment agencies didn't put that info on their websites?

whatnext

jarecki1976 wrote: »

Hays actually posted the new EU directive on their website


How come other recruitment agencies didn't put that info on their websites?

They didn't post the directive, what is posted is their interpratation of the directive, and in "my opinion" two of their interprations are incorrect.

This is the problem at the moment, until the legislation is published the the directive can be interpreted in many different ways

cladda1112

Access to Vacant Posts:
Temporary agency workers must be informed of, and allowed to apply for, vacant posts in the same way as other workers in the organisation.


The above i find interesting as one agency in galway was refusing to let people that are on their books (that they have placed in jobs) apply for better jobs as they say that they are loyal to the company/factory they placed them with. Which i think is a disgrace as you are not allowed to better yourself if the other job you want to apply for is recruiting true them.

shankespony

Yes had misfortune to use this shower in the past. Never reply when you send in cv's, leave messages etc, cant understand why they are in business. They are supposed to be digital recruiters yet their response is non existent where dissatisfied candidates can use social media and internet to name and shame. Thanks boards.ie for giving me this opportunity. Take my advice and dont waste your time on them.

frag420

shankespony wrote: »

Yes had misfortune to use this shower in the past. Never reply when you send in cv's, leave messages etc, cant understand why they are in business. They are supposed to be digital recruiters yet their response is non existent where dissatisfied candidates can use social media and internet to name and shame. Thanks boards.ie for giving me this opportunity. Take my advice and dont waste your time on them.

Who??

Jarren

My guess is if you are using m.boards.ie then you won't be able to see a title of post.

Something like that:

http://m.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055011993&page=73


The agency in question was Rightfit Recruitment btw

frag420

jarecki1976 wrote: »

My guess is if you are using m.boards.ie then you won't be able to see a title of post.

Something like that:

http://m.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055011993&page=73


The agency in question was Rightfit Recruitment btw

I get ya. I was moaning about their complete incompetence too!!

madma

i dont bother with recruitment agencies there useless in my experience the past year or so

im with 3 i never hear from them, they dont get back to you and when they do contact about a job it eithers gets filled or something cancels it.

in the past i had good experiences got plenty of work years ago but in the last few years they are rarely useful to people

donkey balls

however the legislation has still not been published for Ireland, and most likely wont be published until January. What ever is in it is likely to be back dates to the 5th of Dec.

The key point of the new legislation will be "what constitutes pay"

Its is also likely that only contractors / temp staff engaged on a PAYE contract will be covered in the new legislation.[/QUOTE]


I know there is some confusion out there regarding this EU directive with some agencies stating that this directive has not come in to force yet,Well there WRONG it has been in since monday and any person working as a temp worker is entitled to the same pay as a full time member of staff.
What the agencies are trying to stall is the fact that it has not passed through the Dail which is utter crap the reason it needs to be passed through the Dail is to give it legislative power so the authorities could prosecute a person/company which cannot be done without a SI in place.
Here is a link to the Dept of Trade and Enterprise with the info
http://www.djei.ie/publications/employment/2011/AgencyNotice.pdf
http://www.djei.ie/publications/employment/2011/TAW_FAQ.pdf

Another thing that I have noticed and heard from people working for agencies is that if they need to retrain/upskill or re valadate any certs/licence that they have to pay for it them selves which is another sneaky way of the agencies having you pay for your certs etc,Under the SHAW act 2005 (HSA) any person that needs to retrain upskill or renew there certs/licence in order to carry out there duties the employer has an obligation to pay for the training and make sure that the person does not lose out on any renumeration while undertaking the training.

whatnext

donkey balls wrote: »

however the legislation has still not been published for Ireland, and most likely wont be published until January. What ever is in it is likely to be back dates to the 5th of Dec.

The key point of the new legislation will be "what constitutes pay"

Its is also likely that only contractors / temp staff engaged on a PAYE contract will be covered in the new legislation.


I know there is some confusion out there regarding this EU directive with some agencies stating that this directive has not come in to force yet,Well there WRONG it has been in since monday and any person working as a temp worker is entitled to the same pay as a full time member of staff.
What the agencies are trying to stall is the fact that it has not passed through the Dail which is utter crap the reason it needs to be passed through the Dail is to give it legislative power so the authorities could prosecute a person/company which cannot be done without a SI in place.
Here is a link to the Dept of Trade and Enterprise with the info
http://www.djei.ie/publications/employment/2011/AgencyNotice.pdf
http://www.djei.ie/publications/employment/2011/TAW_FAQ.pdf

Another thing that I have noticed and heard from people working for agencies is that if they need to retrain/upskill or re valadate any certs/licence that they have to pay for it them selves which is another sneaky way of the agencies having you pay for your certs etc,Under the SHAW act 2005 (HSA) any person that needs to retrain upskill or renew there certs/licence in order to carry out there duties the employer has an obligation to pay for the training and make sure that the person does not lose out on any renumeration while undertaking the training.

[/QUOTE]

I understand what you are saying, but there is still a lot to be clarified.

for example. agency worker getting €50/hr. Full time equivalent worker getting €25/hr. Full time equivalent gets 50% up lift on over time bringing the overtime rate to €37.50/hr. So what does the agency worker get for overtime? €50/hr, €62.50/hr or €75/hr? The employer says 50 the agency worker says 75. the agency gets it in the ear from both sides.

If an agency worker is working in the public sector, are they entitled to increment payments? ie pay rises simply for being there for an amount of time?

The basic rate of pay and leave entitlements are the easy bits to enforce, and should be acted on.

(although there is still no definitive guidance on what the hourly equivalent of €40k pa is or how it should be calculated. Ask 10 people to give you a figure you'll most likely get six or seven different answers.)

There are many more claims of entitlement that i am dealing with, some of which are so ridiculous that I cant outline them he without the possibility of breaching confidentiality, but without the legislation I cant rebuff them, even though all parties to the conversation knows they are not covered.

useless

I dealt with a lot of agencies when I was job hunting earlier this year. My experience was very mixed, as you can imagine. My comments are in respect of the individual recruiters I dealt with, since I found that the quality of recruiters varied enormously even within firms.

My 'avoid' list is depressingly long, so I'm not going to even bother posting it.

I met two good agents out of about 20. The first was Ken at Wallace Myers- comes across at the first meeting like a bit of a 'sales man' so I didnt immediately warm to him. However, he spent a lot of time preparing me for interviews, knew and understood his clients job specs, asked me some really tough questions to make sure that I understood the jobs in question and that I could communicate to the employer how suitable I was etc. Very good at returning calls- bit slower (24+ hours) to get back to emails.

The second was Paul at Cotter Personnel. Had a long conversation/interview with him before we even discussed the job he had advertised. Asked a lot of tough questions, really questioned my motivation & suitability for roles. Spent a lot of time working out what I really wanted to to (I didnt know) rather than try to shoehorn me into whatever jobs he had available at the time. When he did put me forward to one of his clients, he met with me a couple of times to prepare me for the interview and give me background on the company etc.

All I can say to anyone looking for a job at the moment is that it really is tough out there. Hang in there, & try to keep your head up. Best of luck to you.

frag420

While I shamed an agency a few posts back (Rightfit) I feel I should mention that I also dealt with Prosperity Recruitment who are in a similar area of recruitment and I must say they were great to deal with.

I dealt with two of the girls in there on two occasions (there name escape me right now). While I did not get the jobs they had put me forward for they did keep me in mind for roles that were suitable to my skillsets. Only recently got a call from them about a role but I had actually had sent my CV direct the week previous. She was great about it and we had a great chat with her about other roles and while none were exactly what I was looking for I appreciated the effort and to be given options and I was assured she would be in contact should something more suitable come up.And they offered me coffee!! None of this would ever happen with rightfit........ever!!!

So in short I would recomend dealing with Prosperity over rightfit any day. An office full of proffesionals who can do their job over a room with two women sharing a desk any day!!


frAg

trixie_belle12

La Creme and Hays Recruitment in Cork are not good. Send e-mails and leave messages regarding different roles and never hear anything back

Sulkin

Has anyone ever heard of Aston Carter?

I get at least one call a week with "java roles" and they all seem to be the same jobs and wondering are they fishing or am I being cynical?

Have had great experiences with Allen recruitment in the past-they made me feel secure about leaving a permanent for a contract role and have always followed up throughout both contracts I did with them

cladda1112

TEMPORARY AGENCY WORK DIRECTIVE.....Do employement agancies have to pay this? As one agency i know is refusing to pay it on the grounds that it does not apply to them and what can you do if they refuse?

donkey balls

cladda1112 wrote: »

TEMPORARY AGENCY WORK DIRECTIVE.....Do employement agancies have to pay this? As one agency i know is refusing to pay it on the grounds that it does not apply to them and what can you do if they refuse?

And on what basis are they refusing to pay what part of the legislation does not apply to them? the last time I read the EU directive it did not specify what employers if any are excempt from the directive.
At present the EU directive has not passed the Dail in order for it to become an SI were the likes of NERA could take actions against employers for not conforming to the act.

cladda1112

donkey balls wrote: »

however the legislation has still not been published for Ireland, and most likely wont be published until January. What ever is in it is likely to be back dates to the 5th of Dec.

The key point of the new legislation will be "what constitutes pay"

Its is also likely that only contractors / temp staff engaged on a PAYE contract will be covered in the new legislation.

I know there is some confusion out there regarding this EU directive with some agencies stating that this directive has not come in to force yet,Well there WRONG it has been in since monday and any person working as a temp worker is entitled to the same pay as a full time member of staff.
What the agencies are trying to stall is the fact that it has not passed through the Dail which is utter crap the reason it needs to be passed through the Dail is to give it legislative power so the authorities could prosecute a person/company which cannot be done without a SI in place.
Here is a link to the Dept of Trade and Enterprise with the info
http://www.djei.ie/publications/employment/2011/AgencyNotice.pdf
http://www.djei.ie/publications/employment/2011/TAW_FAQ.pdf

Another thing that I have noticed and heard from people working for agencies is that if they need to retrain/upskill or re valadate any certs/licence that they have to pay for it them selves which is another sneaky way of the agencies having you pay for your certs etc,Under the SHAW act 2005 (HSA) any person that needs to retrain upskill or renew there certs/licence in order to carry out there duties the employer has an obligation to pay for the training and make sure that the person does not lose out on any renumeration while undertaking the training.[/QUOTE]

That is exctly what one recruitment agency in Galway is telling people that it they have working in a factory in galway. According to them it does not have to pay until everything is finalised sometime next year prob before march they said. Also peoples contracts are up in feb you wonder where it will leave these people while alot of others are waiting with months to hear if their contracts are going to be renewed.!!!? They have also told permenant staff that if this come in for people on contract from job agencys then they will have to reduce their wages.(I know they cant do this but you see what they are trying to do)

Jarren

I rang Flexource/Match Recruitment last week,they are not implementing the directive:(

I'll try contacting tomorrow Kelly Recruitment,maybe the common sense will prevail:)

cladda1112

jarecki1976 wrote: »

I rang Flexource/Match Recruitment last week,they are not implementing the directive:(

I'll try contacting tomorrow Kelly Recruitment,maybe the common sense will prevail:)

Same story with ICE

omen80

I've had a couple of recent dealings with recruiting agencies that just makes my blood boil. Basically I'm looking for work in the IT sector and most of them haven't a clue about any of the technologies......for instance they don't realise that C++, C# and Java are extremely similar languages and most of the syntax is the same.
Also, I applied for a position last week through a recruiter..........sent them on my CV etc etc. They then came back with a list of questions for which the answers were on my f*cking CV!!! About a week past and so I emailed them just to see if they had sent my CV on for the job, but no they hadn't because they felt I wasn't suitable enough. So they weren't even going to tell me this!
The opposite then happened this week..........I applied for a position through a recruiter but they sent my CV on for more junior help desk roles, without asking me first!
The lack of common courtesy just amazes me. They are in customer facing roles but a lot of them have no people skills at all.

Ok, rant over!

Eoin

omen80 wrote: »

.for instance they don't realise that C++, C# and Java are extremely similar languages and most of the syntax is the same.

Out of interest, what do you mean by that? Not from a technical point of view, but are they not considering you for roles with languages that you haven't listed on your CV or something?

omen80 wrote: »

The lack of common courtesy just amazes me. They are in customer facing roles but a lot of them have no people skills at all.

You aren't their customer!

omen80

Eoin wrote: »

Out of interest, what do you mean by that? Not from a technical point of view, but are they not considering you for roles with languages that you haven't listed on your CV or something?

Yes I do have them listed on my CV, but obviously I would have more experience in one over another. I had a face to face interview with a recruiter not so long ago and she didn't know that Java is pretty much identical to C#, yet she was recruiting for Java programmers. It's just a bit annoying when they are not up to speed.

Eoin wrote: »

You aren't their customer!

From a business point of view no I'm not, the employer is. But they should still treat candidates with some sort of respect no? (This obviously isn't applying to all recruiters, some are very good at their job).

cladda1112

omen80 wrote: »

I've had a couple of recent dealings with recruiting agencies that just makes my blood boil. Basically I'm looking for work in the IT sector and most of them haven't a clue about any of the technologies......for instance they don't realise that C++, C# and Java are extremely similar languages and most of the syntax is the same.
Also, I applied for a position last week through a recruiter..........sent them on my CV etc etc. They then came back with a list of questions for which the answers were on my f*cking CV!!! About a week past and so I emailed them just to see if they had sent my CV on for the job, but no they hadn't because they felt I wasn't suitable enough. So they weren't even going to tell me this!
The opposite then happened this week..........I applied for a position through a recruiter but they sent my CV on for more junior help desk roles, without asking me first!
The lack of common courtesy just amazes me. They are in customer facing roles but a lot of them have no people skills at all.

Ok, rant over!

It might be a blessing in disguise as in my experience they are a nightmare to work with once they place you in a job. And also they are not loyal to you as they are not working for you so their first loyalty is to the employer and you will just be a number...i know

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Anyone hear anything new on this. Was due to start in dec but nothing yet

Eoin

omen80 wrote: »

Yes I do have them listed on my CV, but obviously I would have more experience in one over another. I had a face to face interview with a recruiter not so long ago and she didn't know that Java is pretty much identical to C#, yet she was recruiting for Java programmers. It's just a bit annoying when they are not up to speed.

I don't think that's up to them to do. There might be overlaps in technology, but I don't think it's reasonable for them to know enough to say whether the overlap is applicable or if the candidate should have specific knowledge.

If an employer is happy to take on someone with Java to do a C# role, then that's up to them to communicate to the agent.

Look at it from the employer's point of view. They ask for someone with C#. They get CVs in for people who know Java, and are told by the agent that they're pretty similar. They're most like going to get pissed off unless they've specifically said that they'll take on someone who could convert over.

omen80 wrote: »

From a business point of view no I'm not, the employer is. But they should still treat candidates with some sort of respect no? (This obviously isn't applying to all recruiters, some are very good at their job).

Definitely - a lot of them are very unprofessional, but it's always worth remembering who they're getting paid by.