Pubs Open On X-Mass Day, Yay Or Nay?

petes

Cianos wrote:

People are still going to go home and get up on Monday morning and go to work.

Allegedly.

Mossy Monk

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would`nt Go

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

....so nothing to do with going out with the attitude "I am going to get soooo ****ing trolled tonight!",eh?

ah yes. this is something that happens again, only in Ireland? have you ever been abroad? and i am not talking about package holidays. the attitude of going out to get pissed is not exclusively an Irish thing

Suaimhneach

Other - Please State

Loads of people getting wasted in Pubs rather than at Home... *shrug*

Jimoslimos

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would Go

sjones wrote:

Who are you to dictate how other people should live their lives?
Sorry If I appear pedantic, but seriously closing a pub so that people spend time with their families is ridiculous. Pubs should be open 24/7. If they were, there would be no need for these crazy binge drinking sessions.

If the attitude of people is that when pubs shut for one day they have to go on a mad drinking binge then I'd have to argue in favour of more restrictive licensing laws not less.

Also maybe the law serves the dual purpose of keeping kids out of the pub on Xmas day. Regardless of religious beliefs etc., Christmas is a time of wonder/excitement for most children - dragging them to the pub every Xmas day ain't exactly a recipe for happy childhood memories

User45701

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would`nt Go

Cianos wrote:

If you have thousands of people in the same place at the same time, most of them locked, herded out by bouncers and hitting the fresh air for the first time after necking a couple of pints at last orders, piling into the local chipper queueing for half an hour to get a batter burger, its going to kick off.

On the other hand if you have people leaving the pub when they feel like going home, in dribs and drabs and in no panic or rush, be it at 10pm or 2am, with a lot less people on the streets, which of the two scenarios would lead to more trouble?



The reason we are less mature is because we are being treated like children. If you are constantly treated like a child, you will start to act like a child. What would be so terrible about allowing people to make their own decisions about drinking? Without closing times are people going to go to the pub on Friday, and stay there til 5am Monday morning? Hardly the case. Whether you like to believe it or not people have a sense of responsibility even when drink is involved. People are still going to go home and get up on Monday morning and go to work.

Well said i have been saying all this for years. No fights if peope where allowed leave when they wanted also i would see less drink driving if someone knows that if they just sit there and drink for a few more hours they can get a bus home in the morning

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would Go

Mossy Monk wrote:

ah yes. this is something that happens again, only in Ireland? have you ever been abroad? and i am not talking about package holidays. the attitude of going out to get pissed is not exclusively an Irish thing

Lived in three countries any only encountered it twice. The word I waould use is PREDOMINANTLY an Irish thing.

Cianos wrote:

If you have thousands of people in the same place at the same time, most of them locked, herded out by bouncers and hitting the fresh air for the first time after necking a couple of pints at last orders, piling into the local chipper queueing for half an hour to get a batter burger, its going to kick off.

So why is it that this behaviour is blamed on someone or something else? Yes, the conditions are there, but it doesn't mean the opportunity should be availed of. Self-discipline is the sign of responsibility, and there is **** all self-discipline in this scenario.

Jimoslimos

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would Go

User45701 wrote:

Well said i have been saying all this for years. No fights if peope where allowed leave when they wanted also i would see less drink driving if someone knows that if they just sit there and drink for a few more hours they can get a bus home in the morning

Well if we were all that mature sure why don't some of us go to the pub earlier and leave a few hours before closing?

Why - because we're sheep that's why (baa!)

Cianos

Other - Please State

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

So why is it that this behaviour is blamed on someone or something else? Yes, the conditions are there, but it doesn't mean the opportunity should be availed of. Self-discipline is the sign of responsibility, and there is **** all self-discipline in this scenario.

Of course these people are otherwise sensible members of society but once they get a bit pi$$ed and a bit brave and something ticks them off something is probably going to happen. Its a simple logistics problem. Thousands of drunk people in the same place at the same time equals a much higher chance of trouble kicking off. Most drunken fights start over stupid reasons like someone shoving into someone else or a few misplaced words escalating into a full blown argument. And its only a fraction of the punters that end up in fights. But this is enough to put unnecessary strain on Garda, taxi's/buses, not to mention A+E's across the country.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would Go

Cianos wrote:

Of course these people are otherwise sensible members of society but once they get a bit pi$$ed and a bit brave and something ticks them off something is probably going to happen. Its a simple logistics problem. Thousands of drunk people in the same place at the same time equals a much higher chance of trouble kicking off. Most drunken fights start over stupid reasons like someone shoving into someone else or a few misplaced words escalating into a full blown argument. And its only a fraction of the punters that end up in fights. But this is enough to put unnecessary strain on Garda, taxi's/buses, not to mention A+E's across the country.

Logistics my arse!!

Now go back and read what I said about self-dsicipline and repsonsibility and stop defending drunken rages by gob****es who've drunk too much because...

Cianos

Other - Please State

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Logistics my arse!!

Now go back and read what I said about self-dsicipline and repsonsibility and stop defending drunken rages by gob****es who've drunk too much because...

How was I defending their actions?! I was saying that by putting that amount of drunk people in the same place at the same time something is bound to happen. Of course they are gobsh!tes for starting fights. But if the conditions were changed there would not be as much opportunity for people to act like gobsh!tes.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would Go

Cianos wrote:

How was I defending their actions?! I was saying that by putting that amount of drunk people in the same place at the same time something is bound to happen. Of course they are gobsh!tes for starting fights. But if the conditions were changed there would not be as much opportunity for people to act like gobsh!tes.

You implied that it wasn't their fault and blamed it on logistics. That is the same is defending.

The question is why are these people drunk to the point that they would take this course of action, not who put them in the same place

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would Go

Cianos wrote:

How was I defending their actions?! I was saying that by putting that amount of drunk people in the same place at the same time something is bound to happen. Of course they are gobsh!tes for starting fights. But if the conditions were changed there would not be as much opportunity for people to act like gobsh!tes.

You implied that it wasn't their fault and blamed it on logistics. That is the same is defending.

The question is why are these people drunk to the point that they would take this course of action, not who put them in the same place

User45701

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would`nt Go

Jimoslimos wrote:

Well if we were all that mature sure why don't some of us go to the pub earlier and leave a few hours before closing?

Why - because we're sheep that's why (baa!)

wo wo wo......

1. Im a Fish, Not a sheep

2. the reason i go to pubs late is because i work and the reason why most poeple go so late is money reasons they get a few cans or bottles or whatever drink for a few hours and THEN go to town making the overall night cheeper

Jimoslimos

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would Go

User45701 wrote:

1. Im a Fish, Not a sheep

Apologies my piscine friend

User45701 wrote:

2. the reason i go to pubs late is because i work and the reason why most poeple go so late is money reasons they get a few cans or bottles or whatever drink for a few hours and THEN go to town making the overall night cheeper

Fact is most people ARE sheep. Money issues play little part - people will drink at home until 12-1oclock instead of 10 and then go out instead. If one pub is open until 5-6am and other shut earlier everybody will eventually gravitate towards that one. So when the last pub shuts its doors (no pub will remain open 24/7) trouble starts. End result - inevitability has been postponed for 3hs at most.

Anyhow what makes pubs so essential that they need to open 24/7 and 365 (instead of 363) days a year.

J.R.HARTLEY

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would Go

sjones wrote:

Pubs should be open 24/7. If they were, there would be no need for these crazy binge drinking sessions.

clear this up for me, are you implying that there is a need for binge drinking as the law stands, a need, as in an uncontrollable compulsion and not a selfish hankering!

User45701

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would`nt Go

Jimoslimos wrote:

Apologies my piscine friend



Fact is most people ARE sheep. Money issues play little part - people will drink at home until 12-1oclock instead of 10 and then go out instead. If one pub is open until 5-6am and other shut earlier everybody will eventually gravitate towards that one. So when the last pub shuts its doors (no pub will remain open 24/7) trouble starts. End result - inevitability has been postponed for 3hs at most.

Anyhow what makes pubs so essential that they need to open 24/7 and 365 (instead of 363) days a year.

You do make a good point i mean pubs will have to close for cleaning and stuff like that but if pubs where 24/7 there would always be at least 25 pubs open all the time or maybe even some sort of rotation by people who own more than 1 pub - they switch between the pub opening hours....

biko

Pubs should be closed for all of Lent, perhaps open a few hours of St Patrick's Day. Although the bible should be read out loud during the open hours.

Plug

I Believe They Should Remain Closed For Family Reasons

Christmas is a time for the family not drinking in your local.

Black Swan

Cut the pub workers some slack. Let them have the day off. They get few of them as it is. And gosh, do we need to have pubs open 365 days a year to survive?

monkeyfudge

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would`nt Go

Plug wrote:

Christmas is a time for the family not drinking in your local.

That's making an assumption that Christmas is relevant for everyone, which it isn't.

Hopefully as we get more Chinese and similar cultures into the country we'll start to get more businesses opening.

nlgbbbblth

Christmas Day - they should remain closed.

Good Friday - they should open. It's not 'just one day of the year' - it's the Friday of a bank holiday weekend when lots of people are off work and some of them would like to have a drink.

Jimoslimos

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would Go

Jimoslimos wrote:

Well if we were all that mature sure why don't some of us go to the pub earlier and leave a few hours before closing?

Why - because we're sheep that's why (baa!)

That's what I do...
but then I'm a wolf

muffler

Nothing like a nice couple of drinks in the local on a Xmas night after the whole Santa/play with kids - drink/play with kids - dinner/sleep for an hour or two - more drink followed by tea - play with kids again, another couple of vodkas - get kids to bed routine.

Been in this situation for manys a year and on a few occasions myself and her who must be obeyed headed to the local about 9 in the evening returning about 12 midnight and I have to say that it is the most relaxing and enjoyable drink I get from one years end to the next.

All the more sweeter when you know its illegal

So my vote was "other". I think the pubs should open from about 8 - 12 Xmas evening and ensure strict enforcement of those hours

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would Go

muffler wrote:

Nothing like a nice couple of drinks in the local on a Xmas night after the whole Santa/play with kids - drink/play with kids - dinner/sleep for an hour or two - more drink followed by tea - play with kids again, another couple of vodkas - get kids to bed routine.

Been in this situation for manys a year and on a few occasions myself and her who must be obeyed headed to the local about 9 in the evening returning about 12 midnight and I have to say that it is the most relaxing and enjoyable drink I get from one years end to the next.

All the more sweeter when you know its illegal

So my vote was "other". I think the pubs should open from about 8 - 12 Xmas evening and ensure strict enforcement of those hours

Do you pay the babysitter triple rate?

muffler

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Do you pay the babysitter triple rate?

Thats where my teenagers come in handy

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would Go

muffler wrote:

Thats where my teenagers come in handy

Answer the question!!

muffler

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Answer the question!!

Yes - 3 turkey sandwiches instead of 1

User45701

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would`nt Go

muffler wrote:

Nothing like a nice couple of drinks in the local on a Xmas night after the whole Santa/play with kids - drink/play with kids - dinner/sleep for an hour or two - more drink followed by tea - play with kids again, another couple of vodkas - get kids to bed routine.

Been in this situation for manys a year and on a few occasions myself and her who must be obeyed headed to the local about 9 in the evening returning about 12 midnight and I have to say that it is the most relaxing and enjoyable drink I get from one years end to the next.

All the more sweeter when you know its illegal

So my vote was "other". I think the pubs should open from about 8 - 12 Xmas evening and ensure strict enforcement of those hours

Ye Fair enough i can see that happening, i well believe you when u say how relaxing it is

stovelid

F*cking right they should. Its the most boring day in the world unless you have kids.

User45701

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would`nt Go

and if you have kids or are anyway neer kids its the most annoying day in the world, looks like lose lose to me

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would Go

I live in a pub.Most publicans welcome the day off as they only get wo a year.My dad has a rural pub and hasn't been on a holiday in three years.It is right for places to be closed on Christmas day.It is all about being with your family.

User45701

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would`nt Go

what about those that dont have a family?

Ickle Magoo

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would Go

I think pubs should be closed because of family reasons - like the people who work in pubs might like to spend the day with theirs instead of dealing with other folks getting away from theirs!

stovelid

No offense but it's far far more than a job. You are providing an essential service.

Deleted User wrote:

I live in a pub.Most publicans welcome the day off as they only get wo a year.My dad has a rural pub and hasn't been on a holiday in three years.It is right for places to be closed on Christmas day.It is all about being with your family.

Stabshauptmann

Its like the smoking ban, you cant really make it optional because the market would penalise those who implemented the ban/remained shut.

These ppl need a break, leave them in peace

boneless

Bar staff need time off too.

Mossy Monk

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would`nt Go

do bar staff work every other day of the year or something? no days off at all during the year

Ickle Magoo

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would Go

Mossy Monk wrote:

do bar staff work every other day of the year or something? no days off at all during the year

Of course they have other days off but unless they can get a day off that is not Christmas day & convince all their family & friends to have the prezzie opening, dinner, etc, etc on that day instead of the 25th, it doesn't really work does it?!

stovelid

No, but I wantthem to.

And gosh, do we need to have pubs open 365 days a year to survive?

Get a non-public facing job if you don't want to be subject to our alcoholic whims.

Anyway, if Christmas day opening was widespread..(a) many pubs just wouldn't bother opening (b) Most staff would not work so Christmas opening is an oxymoron anyway.

Blue_Lagoon wrote:

Cut the pub workers some slack. Let them have the day off. They get few of them as it is. And gosh, do we need to have pubs open 365 days a year to survive?

phantom_lord

casino's are open. why not pubs??

crosstownk

I Believe They Should Be Open - I Would Go

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