The poppy

brianthebard

vesp wrote:

Total rubbish. Hitler would not " unoccupy " countries and places it has already invaded in the west, like Holland, France, Norway, Jersey etc You think Hitler would send whatever Jews remained alive from those countries home after the war in the east , from his concentration camps, as all would live happy ever more ? Rubbish. After the war , it was discovered that in the event of Hitlers successful takeover of this part of Europe, people from these islands would be put to work - by those from his master race - building an autobahn to the far east. ie useful extermination.

FFS, where did I say that he was going to do any of that? You are just putting words in my mouth. I never said that he would leave the jews where they are, just that he was not planning on taking over the western part of Europe, since he didn't have a "racial issue" with the majority of those countries in the way he had with slavs and jews. But this isn't even a fu|cking issue because it never happened and has nothing to do with the fu|cking thread.

vesp

brianthebard wrote:

FFS, where did I say that he was going to do any of that? You are just putting words in my mouth. I never said that he would leave the jews where they are, just that he was not planning on taking over the western part of Europe, since he didn't have a "racial issue" with the majority of those countries in the way he had with slavs and jews. But this isn't even a fu|cking issue because it never happened and has nothing to do with the fu|cking thread.

As I said, it was Blackjack who wrote "there were plans to attempt to repel any invasions. How successful this would have been we'll never know."

Are you not aware that in the countries and terrorities he did invade that he did get the Jews there ( along with other individuals his regime may have had an issue with ) rounded up and sent to concentration camps ? It might not be " a fu|cking issue " to you as you so charmingly put it, but I can assure you it did happen.


The poppy remembers those who died ( and helps the survivors in a practical way where necessary as much as practical ). Those who died in the two world wars for example , came from many different countries. However, if nobody stood up to Germany in both wars, the world would be a much different place. We should remember those who gave their tomorrows so we have our freedom today.

vesp

brianthebard wrote:

FFS, where did I say that he was going to do any of that?

You wrote that " He ( Hitler ) hoped that once the war was over there could be an agreement made with the west European countries and they would no longer be occupied. " I simply corrected you by pointing out the truth of the situation.

brianthebard

vesp wrote:

You wrote that " He ( Hitler ) hoped that once the war was over there could be an agreement made with the west European countries and they would no longer be occupied. " I simply corrected you by pointing out the truth of the situation.

What truth?? The situation didn't happen, what you are saying is speculation!!

vesp

I pointed out what did happen, and what Nazi plans really were for these islands if they won the war. I wrote " Hitler would not " unoccupy " countries and places it has already invaded in the west, like Holland, France, Norway, Jersey etc You think Hitler would send whatever Jews remained alive from those countries home after the war in the east , from his concentration camps, as all would live happy ever more ? Rubbish. After the war , it was discovered that in the event of Hitlers successful takeover of this part of Europe, people from these islands would be put to work - by those from his master race - building an autobahn to the far east. ie useful extermination."

brianthebard

When has bringing the jews into an argument ever made a difference???

vesp

brianthebard wrote:

When has bringing the jews into an argument ever made a difference???

You wrote "Hitler's plans for living space rested in the east. That's what the war with Russia was about. He hoped that once the war was over there could be an agreement made with the west European countries and they would no longer be occupied." If you really believe that, you probably think Hitler liked the Jews as well and never did any of them any harm. Next you will be saying, " ah shure Hitler was'nt a bad lad. He looked in to working with our rep. sean Russell against the auld enemy "

You wrote that "he ( Hitler) was not planning on taking over the western part of Europe, since he didn't have a "racial issue" with the majority of those countries in the way he had with slavs and jews."

brianthebard

I was pulling the p|ss out of you, this thread has become completely ridiculous at this stage.

vesp

You are just trying to cover up for your own stupidity, your lack of knowledge and your poor moral position , seeing as you lost the argument.

brianthebard

vesp wrote:

You are just trying to cover up for your own stupidity, your lack of knowledge and your poor moral position , seeing as you lost the argument.

If that helps you then fine.

oscarBravo

vesp wrote:

You are just trying to cover up for your own stupidity, your lack of knowledge and your poor moral position , seeing as you lost the argument.

Guess who just earned another week on his ban.

LordSutch

I Have just learnt that between One Hundred & Fifty & One Hundred & Eighty Rebels died during the 1916 Rising! should the Poppy be worn to remember them also? in addition to the "Fifty Five Thousand" who died fighting with the Allies.

Fratton Fred

ArthurF wrote:

I Have just learnt that between One Hundred & Fifty & One Hundred & Eighty Rebels died during the 1916 Rising! should the Poppy be worn to remember them also? in addition to the "Fifty Five Thousand" who died fighting with the Allies.

I thought that was what the Lilly was for?

Blackjack

vesp wrote:

As I said, it was Blackjack who wrote "there were plans to attempt to repel any invasions. How successful this would have been we'll never know."

I did, and the fact of the matter is we'll never know as it never happened.

You were also the one who was not aware of Lord Haw Haw's Loyalism.:rolleyes:

LordSutch

In Flanders field the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.

If ye break with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

walrusgumble

vesp wrote:

If the allies had access to just one port in the s.west or west of Ireland it would have saved a lot of Irish and other allied lives - at a time when the battle of the atlantic could have decided the outcome of the war.

maybe, but maybe the german air force would be pilling down bombs at the port and surrounding areas just like in liverpool or belfast. oh ye presence of british again in place like cobh would hardly be welcomed. lots of potential deaths there. do not for one minute suggest germans would not try and attack the ports, one minute we give ports then next it be barracks and camps.and dont for one moment suggest that innocent people who would die were some how unlucky but greater deeds happened, dev had a duty to protect this then fragile state from any further involvement from warfare. pitty term neutrality is not used to its real term today (before anyone corrects me, am aware of concessions given to us and british soliders during ww2)

sorry if this appears to be rude, i assure you that was not the intention but i couldnt have put any better than what csk said

walrusgumble

Blackjack wrote:

I did, and the fact of the matter is we'll never know as it never happened.

You were also the one who was not aware of Lord Haw Haw's Loyalism.:rolleyes:

i genuinely, dont know too much on him, thought he was just taking the pi&s when he went on radio and thought english (fair enough) did not see the funny side to it. was there more to him?

walrusgumble

vesp wrote:

Blackjack wrote "there were plans to attempt to repel any invasions. How successful this would have been we'll never know."


So you think in the event of a German invasion of Ireland ( well, Germany did occupy many other small countries ), Paddy would have been successful in repelling the Nazis out of Ireland ? I think you would acknowledge in open warfare the Irsh air force , Irish navy and Irish army were no match for the Nazi war machine. A match for Podge and Rodge or the Simpsons perhaps. Ever look at countries where there was a resistance movement and see how this was dealth with by the Nazis ?

are you irish?, whats with the paddy reference its bang out of order. by the way i am sure you heard about guerilla warfare, but i would conceed with you on one point, in that retailation from nazis=possible extermination within 3 days

sligobhoy67

Blackjack wrote:

I'm pretty sure there's a couple of statues of Cromwell and Churchill, although they're hardly erected to remember Cromwell's antics in Ireland, and Churchill's actions in Iraq against local Tribesmen, but they're to celebrate these men's Parlimentary achievements and leadership at certain times as opposed to butchery of local population.

Not that Sean Russell's involvement in Nazi Germany was anything to celebrate, quite the opposite in fact, and it seems it's been vandalised a number of times since he was "honoured".

My point is that there are statues for those that have done good and evil, perhaps the motive behind the statue was to do with his participation in the rising, rather than his involvement with the Nazi's.

Vesp keep baning on about Sean Russell! "Sean Russell died on a Nazi u-boat" - the inference he is trying to make is that Russell was a Nazi - this is of course balls! Vesp is trying to paint the picture of Russell in Nazi uniform, adorned with a swazticha (SP?) on his sleeve and got killed after his german u-boat was bomb by the allieds!

In true Russell was in German to arrange for the release of Irish POW's and died of natural causes after the Germans were returning him to Ireland.

Fratton Fred

sligobhoy67 wrote:

In true Russell was in German to arrange for the release of Irish POW's and died of natural causes after the Germans were returning him to Ireland.

Oh good, that clears that one up.

can you also tell me how Santa gets down our chimney as we have a gas fire but he always manages to bring us presents.

A Dub in Glasgo

Fratton Fred wrote:

Oh good, that clears that one up.

can you also tell me how Santa gets down our chimney as we have a gas fire but he always manages to bring us presents.

He builds a chimney that allows him to get into the premises.

Nearly Xmas and we are still talking here about the poppy?
Man her Majesty would be proud of us...

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