speed limits and night driving.

stifz

Mojito wrote:

You tried to impair his vision and hit the breaks while he is driving so close that you cannot see his head lights and you have your kids in the car!! :eek:

Are you a complete fool?

You can touch your breaks to show lights without coming to a complete halt. In fact you can touch your breaks and reduce you speed by 5kms over any distance you want really.. part of training in the advanced driving course which can be done by civilian or part of the trained services .ie army, gardai, fire services etc..

I could'nt physically come to a halt or slow suddenly without it directly resulting in a collision because he was that close. whites of the eyes were all to clear in my rear view mirror..

And tell me without being in the situation what exactly were my options were.. speed up and increase the danger... push the car in the inner lane over and pull in between him & the one infront of him causing everyone behind to break.. maintain speed and let him travel dangerously behind me threatening my well being when the inner lane was full for at least another mile so i could'nt pull in

..Or impair his vision with spray put on as much red lights as i can forcing him to slow down.. The exercise does'nt actually blind his vision it gives him more than one task to complete in a short period ie. put on wipers, slow down etc maintain road position etc etc.. he HAS TO SLOW DOWN . HE"S FORCED TO SLOW DOWN.

Mojito

stifz wrote:

You can touch your breaks to show lights without coming to a complete halt. In fact you can touch your breaks and reduce you speed by 5kms over any distance you want really.. part of training in the advanced driving course which can be done by civilian or part of the trained services .ie army, gardai, fire services etc..

I hope you're not trying to indicate that you have done an advanced driving course because from what you have posted clearly indicates you haven't!

stifz wrote:

And tell me without being in the situation what exactly were my options were.. speed up and increase the danger... push the car in the inner lane over and pull in between him & the one infront of him causing everyone behind to break.. maintain speed and let him travel dangerously behind me threatening my well being when the inner lane was full for at least another mile so i could'nt pull in

If you don't know what you should do in that circumstance you shouldn't didn't be driving.

stifz wrote:

Or impair his vision with spray put on as much red lights as i can forcing him to slow down.. The exercise does'nt actually blind his vision it gives him more than one task to complete in a short period ie. put on wipers, slow down etc maintain road position etc etc.. he HAS TO SLOW DOWN . HE"S FORCED TO SLOW DOWN.

Hopefully by not crashing into you and your kids.

If anything I have learned from reading your posts is you do seem to have a road rage problem.

deevey

Or impair his vision with spray put on as much red lights as i can forcing him to slow down..

You could get the same effect more safely with your foglights (assuming its dark) or just switching on your lights if its bright.

edit: should mention I dont think imparing anyones vision is a good idea on the road, its bad enough out there at best of times and thats asking for an accident, maybe not to you but there were cars in the inside lane too and it just takes a swerve, a guy like that will probably want to drive at 160k regardless of road visibility or weather conditions.

stifz

Mojito wrote:

I hope you're not trying to indicate that you have done an advanced driving course because from what you have posted clearly indicates you haven't!



If you don't know what you should do in that circumstance you shouldn't didn't be driving.



Hopefully by not crashing into you and your kids.

If anything I have learned from reading your posts is you do seem to have a road rage problem.

Tell me... what would you do?

Inside lane blocked for at least a mile rear & in front and heavy traffic further ahead thats not fully clear when you can pull in further up the line.. 3 miles down the road is a known traffic jam where the motorway comes to a complete stop. Car appears in your rear view mirror in seconds.. ie the guy is going like a bat out of hell... you've no where to go and he continues to tailgate at 120kmph for nearly a mile or so - as the traffic is progressive the inner lane is still unsuitable to pull over... He's dangerously close and aggressive and increases the pressure knowing that you have no where to go. And you know in 2-3 miles you'll have to come to a complete stop by the traffic jam.


Seriously cut me some slack here. I'm expected to just keep truck'n in the fear that the guy is actually gonna drive over me or start ramming me.. . were both gonna end up in a traffic jam in 5 mins time.. come on??!

So it's okay to drive up someones arse that close for a distance knowing he has no where to go and yet for me to spray his window with screen wash and touch my breaks which lets him know in no uncertain terms he's too close and making me very uncomfortable by his actions.. i'm at fault?!! And as for advanced driving course yes i have done one.. I do 30k a year and any fool that travels at that speed in such close proximity to the car in front deserves everything they get...prefrably a few penalty points. I don't have road rage issues i have respect for life on the roads - I care about my life being endangered by some asshole who drives too fast and expects everyone to get out of his way even when it's not physically possible..

By touching breaks i showed red lights - back away please and by spraying water i splashed his screen - the same as rain does in regularly. I did'nt full whack on the breaks and throw a bucket of oil on his screen.. he can still see, he can still realise that eh.. doohggh im tooo close better back away..

Seriously come on?!

Mojito

stifz wrote:

Tell me... what would you do?

First off I'm not saying you're at fault for his driving. He's an idiot for doing that in the first place.

You could be the best driver in the world but the muppet behind you could be the worst driver in the world. You don't know how he may react to your methods of telling him to back off or if his breaks are any good. He may panic and slam on the breaks causing the car behind him to hit the breaks as well causing a knock on effect, etc...

Doing what you did can actually cause a traffic jam. Every been on a motorway and the traffic slows down and then picks back up again for no reason? Think about it.

I and most drivers have at some point who drive on motorways will have been in the same position as you before. If you can, indicate and pull into the left and let him go on and annoy someone else. If you can't, drive normally until you can then pull into the left and let him by.

Take his number and report him by all means

stipey

So it's okay to drive up someones arse that close for a distance knowing he has no where to go...

I don't think anybody actually said that

...and yet for me to spray his window with screen wash and touch my breaks which lets him know in no uncertain terms he's too close and making me very uncomfortable by his actions.. i'm at fault?!!

IMO 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Spraying your screen wash only lets him know that you've sprayed your screen wash. Screen wash regularly lands on the windscreen of the car behind - I doubt anybody who has posted on his thread has ever had that happen and though "ooops i might be a bit too close - better back off"

I don't have road rage issues i have respect for life on the roads

I don't know you from Adam (whoever he is) but I think you might do - albeit very small ones.

Yes the guy is acting like a class A gob****e - but it doesn't give you license to do the same. He might be tailgaiting, he might be trying to intimidate you, pressuring you to go faster but he certainly doesn't want to crash into you (it will only delay him and cost him money in the long run). I'd keep at a steady pace and if I needed to slow considerably I'd hit the hazzards before applying the brake. (Given your advance driving course you shouldn't need to jam on)

jimmycrackcorm

upsfan wrote:

I just cannot believe that people are complaining about drivers ahead of them that stick to the speed limit. Oh wait, I can - you're the same muppets I come across on the road every day driving dangerously. If you want to break the law, that's your business (and I hope you're caught) but don't expect someone else to do so just to facilitate your getting somewhere a few seconds earlier. If you have a problem with the limits, take it to the council or whoever is doing the roadworks.

Would these people sticking to the speed limit be the same ones who step on their brakes every time they see an oncoming car once the road narrows.

endplate

jimmycrackcorm wrote:

Would these people sticking to the speed limit be the same ones who step on their brakes every time they see an oncoming car once the road narrows.

Are you telling us you like to break our speed limits I hope you get caught soon and done for dangerous driving.

Oh I keep to the speed limit and I don't feel the need to hit the brakes everytime I meet a car and it's usually people who are unfimilar with the road and speeders who do that

Car Mad

if someone was driving up my arrris i wudnt speed up or slow down id just keep going.as for the spraying of window wash on purpose r u a complete ejit thats possibly one of the worst things u can do (what happens if hes wipers wont work and u impair his vison).i was driving a moped before and my cousin and her boyfriend wer on there way somewhere they saw me and decided to spray water at me my visor got full of water i couldnt see where i was goin (no fu**kin wipers on visor ) i ended up in a ditch with a busted hand the bike wasnt damaged thank god.i found out a few weeks later it was my cousins boyfriend hes one lucky fella coz hes little starlet gt was nearly going to be beat asunder.on other thing is guards sometimes tailgate to see if youl brake the limit iv heard of people been done by unmarked cars this way so my advice stay on the limit.

h2s

Someone in work told me recently that to get done for speeding it must be a stationary Gardai checkpoint with a speed camera and not a moving garda car, of course they can give you a bollocking, but I was told not a ticket (?)

Another thing, this may have been mentioned before, in order to get a grip on the speeding issue why not just use satellite/GPS to track the cars, the issue of who was driving can easilly be solved with a biometric reader in the car for when you start it (no keys just capture your thumbprint, palm print or whatever).

peasant

h2s wrote:

Another thing, this may have been mentioned before, in order to get a grip on the speeding issue why not just use satellite/GPS to track the cars, the issue of who was driving can easilly be solved with a biometric reader in the car for when you start it (no keys just capture your thumbprint, palm print or whatever).

...and while we're at it we use the obtained data to find out who was visiting the girlfriend instead of the golfcourse

Stark

endplate wrote:

Oh I keep to the speed limit and I don't feel the need to hit the brakes everytime I meet a car and it's usually people who are unfimilar with the road and speeders who do that

Or people coming to a bend who get blinded by the oncoming lights of cars. I usually find when the traffic ahead of me starts to slow down, that soon after I see some eejit(s) coming against me with full beams/poorly adjusted dips.

Hotblack Desiato

Car Mad wrote:

i ended up in a ditch with a busted hand the bike wasnt damaged thank god.i found out a few weeks later it was my cousins boyfriend hes one lucky fella coz hes little starlet gt was nearly going to be beat asunder.

You shouldn't have let that stop you
But seriously, you could have had him up on a charge no matter who he was, you could have been killed.
A few weeks ago I saw a Starlet GT driver deliberately swerve into the path of an oncoming car, it was his idiotic way of saying hello to his mate (they waved) but what if he misjudged and they collided? Kicking myself I didn't get his reg.

on other thing is guards sometimes tailgate to see if youl brake the limit iv heard of people been done by unmarked cars this way so my advice stay on the limit.

Entrapment, and dangerous driving to boot
How do they expect the public to respect the law and principles of safe driving when they themselves too often do not?

h2s wrote:

Someone in work told me recently that to get done for speeding it must be a stationary Gardai checkpoint with a speed camera and not a moving garda car, of course they can give you a bollocking, but I was told not a ticket (?)

One Garda and a calibrated speed measurment device (speed gun, or possibly a calibrated car speedo, I know their bikes used to have specially calibrated accurate speedos, a mate owned an ex-Garda CBX750) OR two Gardai willing to state in court you were speeding, with no speedo or measurement device required.
In other words, two Gardai walking along could decide you were speeding and you've no defence.
Incidentally, if you are done on a speed gun or gatso, they've no requirement to prove that the device is accurate. How this is constitutional I'll never know.

Another thing, this may have been mentioned before, in order to get a grip on the speeding issue why not just use satellite/GPS to track the cars...

Because we don't (yet) live in a police state, and the citizen has freedom of movement so long as they respect the law, innocent until proven guilty and all that - as long as they've enough money to appeal to the Supreme Court

Amazing how many people these days are willing to be tracked, indexed, numbered etc. in a fashion The Prisoner never would have accepted :mad:

TheNog

h2s wrote:

Someone in work told me recently that to get done for speeding it must be a stationary Gardai checkpoint with a speed camera and not a moving garda car, of course they can give you a bollocking, but I was told not a ticket (?)

).

i'm afraid h2 your workmate is wrong. We stopped at guy on the M1 travelling at 160kph while we travelling behind him. it was dark and we didn't have the roof light on. there was three of us in the car to verify his speed. he will be getting a speeding ticket.

h2s

ninja900 wrote:

Amazing how many people these days are willing to be tracked, indexed, numbered etc. in a fashion The Prisoner never would have accepted :mad:

Good Point, folks should remember this when using their Tesco CLubcard - massive database with lots of info on shoppers habits.:eek:

The Nog's info will make some interesting conversation at tommorrow's lunch table.:)

Car Mad

h2s wrote:

Good Point, folks should remember this when using their Tesco CLubcard - massive database with lots of info on shoppers habits.:eek:

The Nog's info will make some interesting conversation at tommorrow's lunch table.:)

lol:D tesco:p how do they keep track of so many peoples:eek: back on topic now people try and stick to the speed limit;)

Stark

ninja900 wrote:

on other thing is guards sometimes tailgate to see if youl brake the limit iv heard of people been done by unmarked cars this way so my advice stay on the limit.

I've heard this also as well as experienced it (it was a marked car but I couldn't see until he overtook me as he was so close and his beams were blinding me). It's the primary reason why I will never speed up for an aggressive driver.

Hotblack Desiato

Stark wrote:

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Er, I didn't write what you quoted, I write in English