I am an Irish Citizen like you........

Zombrex

tbh wrote:

In fairness to ya op, you certainly sound Irish

LOL, very true

For some reason the foreigners living here hate the asylum seekers even more than us

aidan24326

Since the original poster has provided no further info, and answered no questions that she's been asked, this thread doesn't deserve any further responses imo.

iguana

antSionnach wrote:

(to paraphrase one poster: never mind what you got in your exams, you have to sort out your grammar if you want to be a good doctor)

If you are reffering to my comments, then let me point out that someone can be wonderful at their job, but if they go to a country where they are unable to communicate properly then their ability to do their job is impaired. I hire people and if one candidate has better experience but poor communication skills then I won't hire them over someone with ok experience who can communicate well. Because in the majority of jobs ability to communicate with colleagues, customers or patients is an absolute necessity. And in medicine where poor communication can lead to fatalities it is even moreso.

secret_squirrel

iguana wrote:

And in medicine where poor communication can lead to fatalities it is even moreso.

Aaahh come on now. Its very common to have a doctor these day's who either speaks with a heavy accent or for whom english is a second language.

I dont see people dropping in the street because of it - do you?

antSionnach

iguana wrote:

If you are reffering to my comments, then let me point out that someone can be wonderful at their job, but if they go to a country where they are unable to communicate properly then their ability to do their job is impaired. I hire people and if one candidate has better experience but poor communication skills then I won't hire them over someone with ok experience who can communicate well. Because in the majority of jobs ability to communicate with colleagues, customers or patients is an absolute necessity. And in medicine where poor communication can lead to fatalities it is even moreso.

Nonsense tbh. A good doctor does not necessarily a good linguist make and a good linguist most certainly does not a good doctor make. It helps, but verbal talents aside from mere verbal proficiency is hardly foremost to medical, scietific, diagnostic and surgical talents for the guy who has his fingers in your thorax or is about to saw into your cranium. This is all very petty stuff and isnt really what the OP asked.

Just as a side note, as someone who knows how it feels to be rather a messy communicator (verbally, at least) I find nothing more arrogant and infuriating than those who deliberately exercise the point with people who do not, and need not have a wonderfully lyrical proficiency in the spoken or the written English.

iguana

secret_squirrel wrote:

Aaahh come on now. Its very common to have a doctor these day's who either speaks with a heavy accent or for whom english is a second language.

I dont see people dropping in the street because of it - do you?

I have no problem with somebody who has English as a second language being a doctor, the woman I hired as my assistant is Indian and has only been in the UK and learning English for 18 months. But we have no problem understanding each other because her English is of a very high level. What I pointed out to the op was that the original post was very hard to understand. And that a letter like that would be something which she would have had a lot of time for and given a lot of consideration to and still she was very difficult to understand at times. So it isn't a huge leap to consider that in a situation where she would have to think and be able to repsond on her feet, her English would be even harder to understand.

I know that my German is a hell of a lot better if I have time to sit down and think it through and go back and correct any mistakes. The final draft of a letter I might write would be the very best German I have. However when I try to speak German I sound like a two year old who has recently recieved I blow to the head. To the same token I can understand written German, but someone would have to speak German really slowly and clearly for me to have a hope of understanding them. I am good at my job, but I couldn't do it in Germany without vastly improving my German. And I wouldn't be confident of the OP's communication skills to the point that I would choose her as my doctor as much as I sympathise with her situation.

antSionnach wrote:

A good doctor does not necessarily a good linguist make and a good linguist most certainly does not a good doctor make.

I said communicator not linguist. Those are quite different skills. And even if the doctor is a surgeon who does not need to speak with you they need to be able to understand and be understood by the rest of the medical team they work with.

aidan24326

secret_squirrel wrote:

Aaahh come on now. Its very common to have a doctor these day's who either speaks with a heavy accent or for whom english is a second language.

I dont see people dropping in the street because of it - do you?

The vast majority (if not all) of foreign doctors who work here speak very good english. It is a necessity for the job. The language and grammar of the OP was poor. You would expect better from someone supposedly so well educated.

Captain Trips

Budd wrote:

Us Irish? Don't include myself or my parents in that statement. Only a minority of people emmigrated and I don't see how their actions should bias our immigration laws.

here here! The whole "plight of the irish abroad" is a little old really. And as far as I can see, apart from the Morrison visas, there was no special treatment for Irish in US, etc., . Other times, irish people were emigrating with british passports (e.g., pre 1921 or therabouts);

The fact that the Good Friday agreement is mentioned by the OP as a reason for them to have citizenship shows exactly that the OP would like to take the piss out of poorly written law which had nothing to do with non-irish non-britosh people having a spontaneous kid in a legal loophole. THat law was never meant for the OP or their child, but for the actual native citizens of the north AFAIK.

(a) there is a clear workign permit system here for non-EU citizens but obviously this is not attractive for some reason (e.g., benefits? who knows - the OP says they are claiming benefits now)

(b) if I had no ability to work in a country and had ability to work elsewhere, I would most likely go elsewhere.

I'd love to work in Japan, but I don't think they'd let me hang out for 18 months claiming benefits without any right to residency,

Orion

Captain Trips wrote:

(a) there is a clear workign permit system here for non-EU citizens but obviously this is not attractive for some reason (e.g., benefits? who knows - the OP says they are claiming benefits now)

Because it's a modern form of indenture perhaps? Work permits are granted to the employers in Ireland - not the worker. If the worker complains about his pay/conditions he/she can be fired and the work permit remains with the employer to hire some more ... 'tractable'. And don't say that this is an extreme example - it's happened more than once.

mchalem4

Hi all,

I'm a DCU journalism student and am writing a feature article on the proposed immigration, residence and protection bill. I would love to hear your opinions on the proposed bill and if there is any migrant workers living in Ireland that have an opinion on immigration laws here I'd love to hear from you or talk to to you in person. Thanks.

Dontico

the op should state were she is from. dont know uk citizen laws so get comment. a non-eu person has to be in ireland for 3 out of 4 years to claim citizenship. i think.