Wii First day sales figures

realsubzero

Here they are

Sales figures

The day is not up yet, sales still going strong

Figures for the PS3 and Xbox 360 Also

K.O.Kiki

Wow, twice as many Wii's as PS3's sold.
Which makes Nintendo's profit.... about 1000x that of Sony's!

Actually, wait... it's probably OVER NINE THOUSAAAANDD!!

Retr0gamer

More like infinitely more than Sony's. With such a low uptake of games and a massive loss on each console Sony are currently haemorrhaging money.

flogen

Interesting; would like to see the figures for the average amount of games sold with each Wii unit... given that the console is unexpected to be in short supply (or as short supply as the 360 was last year and the ps3 is now) and given that no region will be without one for any length of time compared to another, I'd say there are few ebayers buying into it too.

As an aside, I wonder how much Sony have put to one side to cover the losses incurred in their launch; I'm sure they expected one either way, with software making them their money back over time, but software aint selling well at all (not that I expect sony to go bust or anything!)

mcgarnicle

With the high amount of PS3s being bought specifically for re-sale the software sales will take about a week or two to get going i.e. once the consoles have been sold on to people that actually want to play games on them the games will start selling. It won't damage Sony in the long-run.

Rhyme

K.O.Kiki wrote:

Actually, wait... it's probably OVER NINE THOUSAAAANDD!!

Its quite a power level when its hueg ?

/test

Those charts will become redundant once the Wii goes on sale over here as the PS3 doesn't have a foothold in the market in Europe yet. Wait for mid-April for the next bout of competition.

Retr0gamer

mcgarnicle wrote:

With the high amount of PS3s being bought specifically for re-sale the software sales will take about a week or two to get going i.e. once the consoles have been sold on to people that actually want to play games on them the games will start selling. It won't damage Sony in the long-run.

With about 240 dollars loss on the console sony would need to sell about 12 games for each console to break even at the moment. I think Sony are going to have to try and ride it out for the long run so that when the PS3 becomes cheap to manufacture and if it is successful (as successful as the PS1) then they can actually start making money. About 3 games are sold for each PS2 console. Playstation owners are mostly casual and are happy to buy one or two games. Just like with the PS1 and PS2 it will be a long time until Sony start making some profit.

mcgarnicle

Retr0gamer wrote:

With about 240 dollars loss on the console sony would need to sell about 12 games for each console to break even at the moment. I think Sony are going to have to try and ride it out for the long run so that when the PS3 becomes cheap to manufacture and if it is successful (as successful as the PS1) then they can actually start making money. About 3 games are sold for each PS2 console. Playstation owners are mostly casual and are happy to buy one or two games. Just like with the PS1 and PS2 it will be a long time until Sony start making some profit.

I know all that, my point was that a lot of figures flying around now are not taking into account the fact that a good chunk of PS3s are currently sitting in some ebayer's room waiting to be sold on. I can't remember the games to consoles sold ratio from day 1 in Japan but it was pretty dismal. All I am saying is once these consoles settle with people that want them to play games on them, not just to re-sell them the games' sales will pick up.

Dooom

K.O.Kiki wrote:

Wow, twice as many Wii's as PS3's sold

Well, don't forget there was feck all Ps3's.
I want my Wii! Goddammit. (Is that how goddammit's spelt? 2 d's and 2 m's? Meh.)

K.O.Kiki

Spike wrote:

Well, don't forget there was feck all Ps3's.
I want my Wii! Goddammit. (Is that how goddammit's spelt? 2 d's and 2 m's? Meh.)

It might be Goddamnit; we'll wait until a grammar nazi appears

flogen

mcgarnicle wrote:

With the high amount of PS3s being bought specifically for re-sale the software sales will take about a week or two to get going i.e. once the consoles have been sold on to people that actually want to play games on them the games will start selling. It won't damage Sony in the long-run.

Fair point; I guess all it really does is make the actual launch look dodgy (did I hear somewhere that the guy Kutaragi met and gave the first ps3 to was a Chinese man (who didn't have a word of Japanese), sent over to Japan by businessmen... as were the first 10 in the same queue

Balfa

Yeah, I'm interested to see the software sales for wii. I know at the Walmart where I was, they had 25 zeldas and 28 wiis. And only three people in line were NOT planning on getting zelda. Most bags leaving before me looked like they contained at least two games. For what it's worth, I got four, and my father-in-law got two.

edit: uh, also, the console makers tend to make a decent profit on accessories, and I expect the wii to be more mutli-playerish than the other two. Think about it, if you want a four player game of red steel, you need a wii, plus three extra wiimotes plus three extra nunchucks plus red steel, for a grand total of $480. Though most multiplayer games seem to make an attempt just to use extra wiimotes for the multiplayer part, instead of requiring everyone to have a nunchuck as well.

mcgarnicle

flogen wrote:

Fair point; I guess all it really does is make the actual launch look dodgy (did I hear somewhere that the guy Kutaragi met and gave the first ps3 to was a Chinese man (who didn't have a word of Japanese), sent over to Japan by businessmen... as were the first 10 in the same queue

Yep that's true, it was an embarrasment of a launch. I think that is more the retailers fault than Sony's tbh. I know people will say they should have had more consoles to sell but if they had released 3 times more it would have been the same situation.

If purchases had been restricted to paid, one per customer pre-orders things would probably have been a lot more orderly and fairer. A drunk old coot might be willing to que up for a few hours one day but I think any elaborate conspiracy to go book a console and months later pick it up would be out of the question for a roving transient.

Makes me feel lucky the way they operate launches over here. In my experience they are fair and while some guys decide to go the ebay route I don't think we have the business like situation that has developed in Japan with certain guys buying dozens of consoles.

My Hairy Arse

wii is for children :rolleyes: lol

kaisersose77

aww the poor child with no life is at it again

flogen

mcgarnicle wrote:

Yep that's true, it was an embarrasment of a launch. I think that is more the retailers fault than Sony's tbh. I know people will say they should have had more consoles to sell but if they had released 3 times more it would have been the same situation.

If purchases had been restricted to paid, one per customer pre-orders things would probably have been a lot more orderly and fairer. A drunk old coot might be willing to que up for a few hours one day but I think any elaborate conspiracy to go book a console and months later pick it up would be out of the question for a roving transient.

Don't think you can blame the retailers; even with that system people still would have preordered and paid in advance, because they knew profit awaited them down the line. The ebay sellers, for the most part, knew what they were going to do long before they did it, they weren't just passing by a store and got a brainwave... tbh once people are willing to buy at stupid prices, people will be willing to sell at stupid prices.

Gummy Panda

WTF!!!

Stop ruining threads with your rubbish. Imagine if someone looks at this thread in work and their boss walks pass. I'm sure they'll be pleased to see a naked guy on their employees screens.

Anyway, I agree that its hard to compare the wii to sony at moment due to lack of ps3 but thats sony's fault. They forced a launch and i think it back fired. They were relying on a good attachment rate. This isn't going to happen soon.

I wonder how many VC titles Nintendo has sold since launch? Imagine the profit from it

EDIT: Thanks mods!!

K.O.Kiki

TBH, shouldn't you not be looking at Boards while at work anyway?

mcgarnicle

flogen wrote:

Don't think you can blame the retailers; even with that system people still would have preordered and paid in advance, because they knew profit awaited them down the line. The ebay sellers, for the most part, knew what they were going to do long before they did it, they weren't just passing by a store and got a brainwave... tbh once people are willing to buy at stupid prices, people will be willing to sell at stupid prices.

The retailers can make it difficult for them. I'm not talking about the guy that buys one PS3 for Ebay, I'm talking about the guys hiring an army of Chinese homeless lads to que up on launch day for 100 systems.

This could not be done if the shops were only allowing one console per customer with a good pre-booking system... unless the guys running these rackets plan on sending all their homeless guys in to pre-book before following them around for months to get them to go back to the store on launch day to pick it up.

BlitzKrieg

unless the guys running these rackets plan on sending all their homeless guys in to pre-book before following them around for months to get them to go back to the store on launch day to pick it up.

??? uhmm why would he have to have the same guy prebook it as well as collect it.



The fault lies in part with sony allowing the wrong sort of hype to build up. When the announcement went through of how few PS3's there will be, anyone with a internet connection and half a brain could see what direction the hype was being pushed. How few there will be, how it is a must have, how it will be sold out within hours of launch.

Also prior examples with the 360 and blatantly obvious example with the bloody DS (which still sells out in Japan.) catch a f*cking clue, Sony allowed that hype to grow when they should have squashed it. They traded huge positive short term word of mouth and international coverage with how insanely popular the launch was for what could be a long term negative response for the aftermath of the launch (again look at the 360.)

But of course when you stop and look at the alternatives, you have to admit Sony was in a corner and really couldnt back down from the hype, the machine had been delayed once already, delaying again to match demand might have been just as bad if not worse.

So that throws the ball over to the retailers? They knew how mental it was going to be, they should have at least. Was there any real plan on how to tackle it? Clearly they didnt in Japan, The U.S the stores knew what to expect and had some sort of plan, but they seemed to fall short of what was needed or where completely stupid (putting 10 chairs out in front of a crowd and saying those sitting in them will get ps3's has to be one of the dumbest ideas I have ever seen.)

This all goes back to a post on the Playstation forum I made, Was Sony ready? The whole affair smells of a company being pulled by its own success and expectations, compare to Nintendo who stirred and created the expectations on its own ground (this time last year, only nintendo fanboys cared about the *revolution* now look at the hype.) or Microsoft who have already taken the hit with their launch but are showing that they are quite willing to bend over backwards to give the gamers what they want on time, something which only a wallet as deep as microsofts can provide.

If the PS3 i so far ahead of everyone else? Could Sony have simply skipped this generation, PS2 sales say they could have, at least for another year.

projectmayhem

Retr0gamer wrote:

With about 240 dollars loss on the console sony would need to sell about 12 games for each console to break even at the moment. I think Sony are going to have to try and ride it out for the long run so that when the PS3 becomes cheap to manufacture and if it is successful (as successful as the PS1) then they can actually start making money. About 3 games are sold for each PS2 console. Playstation owners are mostly casual and are happy to buy one or two games. Just like with the PS1 and PS2 it will be a long time until Sony start making some profit.

as you say, this is exactly the same deal as ps2. sony will be fine. unlike nintendo, the risk is lessened by the fact that they do a lot more then just gaming hardware. if nintendo were to release the Wii after putting a billion dollars into r&d and screwing up a few months worth of PR, then you might have cause for concern...

K.O.Kiki

Not really; like has been said many times, Nintendo could literally box & sell us poo -- and it wouldn't matter because their DS division is still reaping in the moolah!

monkeyfudge

K.O.Kiki wrote:

Not really; like has been said many times, Nintendo could literally box & sell us poo -- and it wouldn't matter because their DS division is still reaping in the moolah!

Well Poo is the logical successor to Wii.

BlitzKrieg

case in point: http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ds/ps3-goes-on-sale-japan-buys-ds-games-215939.php

projectmayhem

BlitzKrieg wrote:

case in point: http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ds/ps3-goes-on-sale-japan-buys-ds-games-215939.php

in fairness, they could have said "Wii goes on sale, japan buys ds games" too

BlitzKrieg

and it will still be the same point.

Nintendo have the DS which is a better insurance then anything sony has at the moment.

lets see:

Sony's breadwinners are in games consoles, HDTV, HD cameras, Laptops, phones and blu ray (i might have missed a few there, but those are the main ones.) oh and of course cinema

In everyone of those there is competition that has a very realistic chance of breaking sony in that area.

Games Console: Microsoft/Nintendo
HDTV: samsung
HD Cameras: Canon
Laptops: Macbook duo
phones: Moto
Blu Ray: HD DVD
Cinema: I admit Casino Royale is making things look cosy, but I think it has been Sony's only run away success this year (not the only success, the only UBER success.)

Sony is actually very far from secure. While Nintendo both with the ease of its Wii launch and the fact they've never had any serious risk to their handheld market ever puts them in a very easy position. This is proven by the fact that they walked away without any serious financial damage after both the N64 and the Gamecube, despite Sony 'winning' both generations. Compare to say Sega who walked away bloody and limping by the end of the dreamcast.

projectmayhem

BlitzKrieg wrote:

and it will still be the same point.

Nintendo have the DS which is a better insurance then anything sony has at the moment.

lets see:

Sony's breadwinners are in games consoles, HDTV, HD cameras, Laptops, phones and blu ray (i might have missed a few there, but those are the main ones.) oh and of course cinema

In everyone of those there is competition that has a very realistic chance of breaking sony in that area.

Games Console: Microsoft/Nintendo
HDTV: samsung
HD Cameras: Canon
Laptops: Macbook duo
phones: Moto
Blu Ray: HD DVD
Cinema: I admit Casino Royale is making things look cosy, but I think it has been Sony's only run away success this year (not the only success, the only UBER success.)

Sony is actually very far from secure. While Nintendo both with the ease of its Wii launch and the fact they've never had any serious risk to their handheld market ever puts them in a very easy position. This is proven by the fact that they walked away without any serious financial damage after both the N64 and the Gamecube, despite Sony 'winning' both generations. Compare to say Sega who walked away bloody and limping by the end of the dreamcast.

i think PS3 is a safe bet to make money, just not immediately, and lets not forget that their main competition (i.e. the one they'd gladly run out of the market), microsoft, has yet to make a penny on the xbox.

also keep in mind that they make money on all software sold, and given there's 100million+ ps2 owners, i'd say they rake it in every single day on that alone.

as far as tv's and camera stuff go, sony are still #1 with BRAVIA, and their range of video recorder thingys are #1, by a mile. i'd say cannon have 'em beat in the camera (you know, still images) dept.

as for movies, they had a huge hit with da vinci code this year... as well as stuff like the grudge2 (in america) and open season. they also have taledega nights or whatever its called (the will ferrel comedy).

then there's their music department...

so as i was saying, sony's safe. ps3 isn't going to kill them off.

monkeyfudge

Actually they're aren't in all that great shape at the moment. The laptop battery recall has hit them hard. Their profits are down 94% this year and the company has lost 40% of it's value over the last 5 years.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-10/26/content_5253924.htm

projectmayhem

monkeyfudge wrote:

Actually they're aren't in all that great shape at the moment. The laptop battery recall has hit them hard. Their profits are down 94% this year and the company has lost 40% of it's value over the last 5 years.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-10/26/content_5253924.htm

that's true but their profits were eaten into by that whole billion dollar r&d investment (sup, cell?), which is already clawing back money with IBMs "blade" server thing

BlitzKrieg

as for movies, they had a huge hit with da vinci code this year... as well as stuff like the grudge2 (in america) and open season. they also have taledega nights or whatever its called (the will ferrel comedy).

Actually box office success stories are very misleading, its considered a success when its compared to the year before in box office takes, hence last year was called an almighty flop on epic porportions, when really it just didnt do as well as the year before.

Davinci code etc didnt do as well as they needed to do to be considered successess they just did better then the year before. Sony has only 2 films in the top 10 of this year (the ones you named, open season is 18th) which isnt all that great when one takes in the money invested in these projects. And neither of those films are in the top 3. It only appears a success for sony because the year before none of their films made the top 10, the closest being hitch as a sleeper hit at 11.

Their golden goose in the film industry is the spider man franchise as its the only big hit under their belt.

i think PS3 is a safe bet to make money, just not immediately, and lets not forget that their main competition (i.e. the one they'd gladly run out of the market), microsoft, has yet to make a penny on the xbox.

IF microsoft have yet to make a penny on the xbox and it costs less to make then the ps3, and the ps3 still has production delays then I cannot understand how you can make this a positive? The 360 with the support of the main western companies hasnt yet turned a profit. How long will it take Sony with the exact same support turn a profit?

Everyone tells me to give the PS3 time, but the hole is being dug deeper then its being filled.

also keep in mind that they make money on all software sold, and given there's 100million+ ps2 owners, i'd say they rake it in every single day on that alone.

Yet the launch clearly showed...the software isnt being sold. And I agreed with you fully the PS2 rakes it in, but you would agree pushing the PS3 will start to push the PS2 sales down, not now, but soon, by this time next year if the PS3 hasnt picked up to cover the PS2's official departure from mainstream then the playstation (not sony, just the console division) will be in trouble.

as far as tv's and camera stuff go, sony are still #1 with BRAVIA, and their range of video recorder thingys are #1, by a mile. i'd say cannon have 'em beat in the camera (you know, still images) dept.

Again you misunderstood me, they are #1 but unlike nintendo with the DS, they have very close challangers, challangers that can actually reach out and touch the crown, that uncontrollable shifts in the market can change the balance, Nintendo on the other hand have control on the handheld market, there is actually near on no force in sony's pocket or in the economic market, that can shift balance of power to the PSP the handheld market has to be killed off to actually damage Nintendo's DS, which wont help Sony either.

then there's their music department...

Like I said I missed a few, and I am not an expert on the music industry (and if you are, then you are a nugget of many talents.) so i cant argue this point.

and their range of video recorder thingys are #1, by a mile. i'd say cannon have 'em beat in the camera (you know, still images) dept.

Canon are tearing up the tracks in the camcorder market, not to mention in the 3ccd section they are the touted favourties (despite Sony making better products in alot of cases.) in High Def, Sony scored a winner getting Lucas to use their cameras, but the rest of the industry is not picking sony exclusively, its spreading out among the different companies becuse the industry is unsure which one delivers for the industry, which if its not sony, wont be a shattering disaster, but wont also be big enough to carry any deadwieghts.

Balfa

projectmayhem wrote:

in fairness, they could have said "Wii goes on sale, japan buys ds games" too

Except that the Wii didn't go on sale. It's only out in The Americas so far.