Louis Saha give us a break

Paul Tergat

I think we (UTD) are playing our best football in a long while, and this is partly due to louis saha. His movement suits our style of play much better than Ruud (who i was sad to see leave, but now i am glad as it means we play a lot better).

I just hate the fact that his first touch is terrible, he seems to panic more when he has time on the ball too which really annoys me but overall im glad he's in the team, scoring goals and linking well with the midfielders (one of Ruud's major faults!)

tomED

p_larkin99 wrote:

I think we (UTD) are playing our best football in a long while, and this is partly due to louis saha. His movement suits our style of play much better than Ruud (who i was sad to see leave, but now i am glad as it means we play a lot better).

Agreed, but partly due only. He does suit our style of play much better, but that doesn't make im a world class striker.

p_larkin99 wrote:

I just hate the fact that his first touch is terrible, he seems to panic more when he has time on the ball too which really annoys me

DITTO!!

PHB

Ronaldo is the best penalty taker we have at United by a mile.

As for Saha having a terible first touch, anyone remember that super goal he scored a while back? Yeh, pretty poor first touch indeed.

Green_Martian

I agree with PHB..............and as i have stated earlier in this post, i cannot believe the amount of ppl getting on his back after Tues nite...I even had an agrument about this with my DAD!!!! and he is a Utd fan as well..........

Sure look at RVN last year, some of his performances were bad and i don't think he got as much stick as Saha is getting........

Paul Tergat

PHB wrote:

As for Saha having a terible first touch, anyone remember that super goal he scored a while back? Yeh, pretty poor first touch indeed.

Yes lets base this on just one instance!

granted the goal was a very tidy one but my point is that when he lots of time/space he almost always seems to take a heavy touch and then his pace will get him out of trouble, watch the game against chelsea, or previous games from this season and you'll see exactly what im talking about!

im far from getting on his back, i was so annoyed with ferguson with selling Ruud but i always back him to make the right decision and i think he has done. im glad Saha is playing, as his all round play really does suit us well.

his first touch was the only fault i could find with him really.

Nalz

PHB wrote:

Ronaldo is the best penalty taker we have at United by a mile.

100% correct














now theres a shock :eek:

Paul Tergat

tomED wrote:

Agreed, but partly due only. He does suit our style of play much better, but that doesn't make im a world class striker.

this again depends on your definition of world class, but i do agree he isnt under my interpretation of world class.

ill bet he scores around the 20 goals mark though this season which is great IMO and i believe that him playing will help others to get goals too (expect more from midfield with him playing than when Ruud did) so overall i prefer him playing!

Paul Tergat

PHB wrote:

Ronaldo is the best penalty taker we have at United by a mile.

he frustrates me so so much, he's playing class this year and i fancy him to give cole the run around at the weekend.

i just cant understand what goes on with our freekicks. i think giggs is a much better taker but for some reason he lets ronaldo have them, why is this? he must be banging them in in training!!

i agree that he can take a good penalty, he takes them with precision...why does he not do this with free kicks? place the ball rather than just smacking it and hoping for the ball to move and catch the keeper out!

MrJoeSoap

I can't understand how people would prefer to see Louis Saha in their side than Van Nistelrooy! I'd take either of them at my club, of couse, but Van Nistelrooys goal record is absolutely unparralleled (regardless of what Saha might do "in midfield")

yop

He is a very poor striker who really should not be in Uniteds lineup, his record is very poor this season with only a goal every 2 games and they were probably against the small teams.
He has played 135 games since 01/02 scoring 64 goals, making 16 assists in all competitions.
RVN should be brought back as Saha addes nothing to the team.

Carcharodon

yop wrote:

He is a very poor striker who really should not be in Uniteds lineup, his record is very poor this season with only a goal every 2 games and they were probably against the small teams.
He has played 135 games since 01/02 scoring 64 goals, making 16 assists in all competitions.
RVN should be brought back as Saha addes nothing to the team.

A goal every 2 games, it could be worse in all fairness, your wrong in saying he adds nothing, he has added 64 in 135 games he has played in as you say, thats a respectable prem record.

Why compare RVN with Saha, RVN is a goal machine and totaly different to Saha, its obvious that RVN is of higher quality and how do you suggest he be brought back since he wanted to leave...

MrJoeSoap

Carcharodon wrote:

how do you suggest he be brought back since he wanted to leave...

Its Man Utd... no player is too big!

Nalz

I think the biggest type club for Saha where he can be number one striker would be the likes of Everton, Spurs, Bolton or Villa. I think he's as good as anything Liverpool and Arsenal have (except for Thierry of course) but they are also too big for him... which means IMO that 3 of the top 4 clubs in England dont have a world class partnership up front.

Paul Tergat

MrJoeSoap wrote:

I can't understand how people would prefer to see Louis Saha in their side than Van Nistelrooy! I'd take either of them at my club, of couse, but Van Nistelrooys goal record is absolutely unparralleled (regardless of what Saha might do "in midfield")

it's not all about goals, when comparing him to Ruud there are other things you MUST consider.

i much prefer the way we are playing this season, Ruud didn't allow us to play the style we are playing now. with him in the team we lacked pace up front, granted he was there for the tap ins but we look a lot more capable of breaking teams down with saha in the team....the main worry for a defender is genuine pace, you just cant defend against it!

another point made was scoring against the weaker teams....this was our biggest problem last season and it looks (touch wood) that we have sorted this problem out.

Paul Tergat

Trilla wrote:

I think the biggest type club for Saha where he can be number one striker would be the likes of Everton, Spurs, Bolton or Villa. I think he's as good as anything Liverpool and Arsenal have (except for Thierry of course) but they are also too big for him... which means IMO that 3 of the top 4 clubs in England dont have a world class partnership up front.

i think thats a load of rubbish

you say the teams dont have any better yet they are too big for him, what does that mean? id say benitez would love to have saha available, he'd start every game IMO

same would apply to arsenal, him and henry would a take defence apart, their pace would destroy teams.

you think chelsea have a world class partnership? i dont think drogba and shevchenko have settled well at all (ok he may need time etc). id say last year you would have said that chelsea dont have one top quality striker!? but only after drogba's impressive season so far you now think he's "world class"

cournioni

p_larkin99 wrote:

this again depends on your definition of world class, but i do agree he isnt under my interpretation of world class.

ill bet he scores around the 20 goals mark though this season which is great IMO and i believe that him playing will help others to get goals too (expect more from midfield with him playing than when Ruud did) so overall i prefer him playing!

What about Neville telling Lennon that Saha was going to miss. Is he the captain or what. You wouldent see that at schoolboy level. He should have taken the ball and made Ronaldo take it
.

Paul Tergat

PORNAPSTER wrote:

What about Neville telling Lennon that Saha was going to miss. Is he the captain or what. You wouldent see that at schoolboy level. He should have taken the ball and made Ronaldo take it
.

I totally agree with you, but that was up to neville to then take the ball off him and pass on the responsibility, that's the kind of thing he's there for!

i think anyone can have a bad game and therefore let their head drop but if he "was going to miss" then he should not have been allowed to take it.

but neville being captain has nothing to do with what i was saying about Saha! that's for another thread!!

MrJoeSoap

p_larkin99 wrote:

that's for another thread!!

Please! Not another one!

Nalz

p_larkin99 wrote:

you say the teams dont have any better yet they are too big for him,what does that mean?

Eh........

Trilla wrote:

which means IMO that 3 of the top 4 clubs in England dont have a world class partnership up front

Which if I may I will translate to - that 3 of the top 4 clubs in England dont have 2 very very good strikers up front.

If Arsenal and Liverpool had Saha they'd win the premiership so? No chance. If they had Saha would they have a world class strike force? No Chance. Saha and Henry dont exactly set the world a light playing for France do they? I think Kuyt can be just as good as Saha if ya give him a chance.

As for Chelsea, they dont usually play 2 up front, so I agree with the whole partnership thing. I'd always put Drogba ahead of Crouch,Bellamy,Saha or Adeybayor. World class no, but he is playing out of his skin and his only not so good season in his whole career was his first at Chelsea. Shevy getting a hard time at the moment but if we're gonna start comparing Saha to him its time to lock this thread.

Saha is a very good player, but is not good enough to be the leading man at Liverpool or Arsenal (regardless of how good or bad there current squad is) and Manchester United need a better No1 striker, period.

Nalz

Can I ask

a)Would all the United fans be happy if Saha was the best out and out striker we had for the next 2-3 years? I dont class Rooney as an out and out striker. I get the feelin this is just a temporary thing until the real McCoy(whenever & whoever he may be) comes in


b)How much do you think he's worth?

Jivin Turkey

MrJoeSoap wrote:

I can't understand how people would prefer to see Louis Saha in their side than Van Nistelrooy! I'd take either of them at my club, of couse, but Van Nistelrooys goal record is absolutely unparralleled (regardless of what Saha might do "in midfield")

To be honest I think it is more a case of a lot of United fans trying their hardest to see some sort of silver lining in his sale.

The whole "look at how the team is doing now" philosophy sounds good in theory, but if memory serves me correct, United from Christmas onwards had a record that was good enough to win the league (or close enough anyway), just like they are doing now. And, again if my memory serves me correct, it wasn't RVN that left at Christmas.

But like I said, a lot of United fans, will always try to argue blindly to back their team.

I think selling RVN was a mistake. His record this year would seem to back that up.

Nalz

Jivin Turkey wrote:

And, again if my memory serves me correct, it wasn't RVN

thats true, but RVN when he played didnt play well. But I agree, whatever the reason was for his sale...it was too cheap and left a big hole

MrJoeSoap

Trilla wrote:

thats true, but RVN when he played didnt play well.

Regardless of how he played, he scored 21 goals in 35 appearances, and 8 of those appearances were as a sub.

Find me a striker with a better record while "not playing well".

Nalz

true, but by his standards thats not great and he wasnt happy at the club, whatever went on. His total record was 40 games, 8 subitute appearances and 24 goals (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=8852&cc=5739), which is great record I must admit...but after Christmas he went down hill - which is what I was reffering to. He's nearly caought up on that record at Real already!




Anyhow the jist of all this is that RVN is twice the player Saha is in terms of being prolific and importance to a team, also that Saha would make the Liverpool and Arsenal teams but wouldnt improve them that much, and Manchester United need a way better first choice goalscorer in their squad. Thats it in a nutshell.

Jivin Turkey

Trilla wrote:

Anyhow the jist of all this is that RVN is twice the player Saha is in terms of being prolific and importance to a team, also that Saha would make the Liverpool and Arsenal teams but wouldnt improve them that much, and Manchester United need a way better first choice goalscorer in their squad. Thats it in a nutshell.

I agree, I just wanted to put weight against the myth that "the team is doing better with Saha in it rather than RVN", because that is not entirely true.

United have been pretty formidable in 2006, as a calendar year.

masterK

Am I the only one that thinks the similarities between Saha and Andy Cole when at United are remarkable. They could both do nothing for 80 minutes then score a goal out of nothing, on the other end they could both be in 1-on-1 with the keeper 5 times and miss each time.

They used to say Andy Cole was a great footballer when he didn't have time to think about what to do, his instinct was excellent, but if he was through on goal with time he'd almost always fluff the chance, the same could be said for Saha.

Ruskie4Rent

I was thinkin he's kind of similar to Yorke. He was a great link up player for us when he was at his best.
I can see the similarities with Cole too.
I'd consider Saha as one of our best players this season, he adds alot to the way they've played.

event

tvnutz wrote:

Saha is an overall better player than Ruud. He had a bad game tonight but has been playing well all season. Ruud could score goals from inside the box,but he couldn't run with the ball and beat players. Saha and Rooney make a good team,but with stupid tactics like playing rooney on the left,it doesn't help.

What I can't understand is how useless players like Carrick,Ferdinand and Ronaldo get their games.

you think ronaldo has been useless this year?
he has been man u's best player, the kid is to quality.
one of the best right wingers in the prem and the world ATM

thebaz wrote:

Why does Rooney not take the pens ?
Particularly after Saha's earlier miss , i like Neville fealt he would miss !

how many competitive penalties has rooney scored?

BTW, everyone saying neville should have taken the ball off saha, thats rubbish. Saha is the penalty taker. If he had given the ball to rooney and he'd missed, everyone would be saying why did he take it off him, saha is the taker etc

has any of you taken penalties?
If your captain came up and said you werent taking it, even though you'd taken all the others so far, what would you say?
i know what i would

PHB

I agree, I just wanted to put weight against the myth that "the team is doing better with Saha in it rather than RVN", because that is not entirely true.

United have been pretty formidable in 2006, as a calendar year.

Which is mostly since Saha started playing.

Saha shouldn't be the peno taker is the point, he is a very good one, but Ronaldo is in a different class when it comes to handling pressure like that.

yop

Saha again proved he is not a big game player, the goal he got was a tap in, and him losing the ball in the last ten minutes of the 1st half lead to the Chelsea corner and goal. Sell him now!

Pighead

yop wrote:

Saha again proved he is not a big game player, the goal he got was a tap in, and him losing the ball in the last ten minutes of the 1st half lead to the Chelsea corner and goal. Sell him now!

What the hell are you talking about? Tap In? He was outside the bloody box ya big eejit.
Oh and it was Giggs who gave the ball away in the lead up to the Chelsea corner.

bucks73

Think he was being sarcastic. How could Saha give the ball away in the first half and be the cause of a second half goal?

yop

Pighead

Pighead stands by his "big eejit" statement.

sofireland

Great finish, way to stick it to his critics.

Nalz

sofireland wrote:

Great finish, way to stick it to his critics.

pity he cant clear headers off the line and stay out of VDS way





















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