The british nuclear weapons plans

El Stuntman

Gurgle wrote:

Look at what Libya got for not building nukes.

FYP

AbusesToilets

Frederico wrote:

Yes, you are right, common sense, etc but..

But what?Surely common sense is what's needed in this situation,not random and confused complaints.

I don't even know why there is debate anymore on NK, we don't have the stomach to stop them, we are impotent in that situation all we can do is stop him buying ipods, wring our hands and hope the country collapses itself.

So what are you advocating?An all out assault on North Korea? The policy of containment has worked insofar as there hasn't been a war between North and South for the past 50 years.In terms of failing to prevent NK form acquiring nuclear material,the blame should largely fall on the Chinese,who obstufucation and soft line approach for years has allowed the country to get away with murder.

Yeah India and Pakistan are always at a heightened state.. why do we care in the slightest about that situation? oh right thats cos its only 1.2 billion "brown" people at stake, not ourselves.

What point are you making here? The past 5 years has shown more western engagement with Pakistan than ever before and the US and India just finished a new nuclear agreement.If the idea you're trying to imply is that the west doesn't care about the possibility of a war,nuclear or otherwise,between these 2 countries then you're wrong.Way wrong,especially considering the financial investment made in the region by western corporations.

Whats the prize for NK and Iran when they get a full nuclear deterant? they only have to look at what Israel can get away with..

With our pre-emptive wars, upgrading our own nuclear weapons, and only allowing our 'buddies' to have nukes we are kinda loosing our high moral ground on the subject don't you think?

The whole thing isn't a WW2 cleancut good guy/bad guy thing anymore, Britain upgrading its own nuclear weapons against a possible imaginary threat in 20 years is just giving Iran another reason to pursue its own. Who knows what enemies Iran might have in the next 20 years.. same argument.

Iran hasn't needed the impetus of Britain upgrading it's arms to pursue it's own policy of weaponization.It's own desires for regional domination see to that.The arguement that they are entitled to develop these weapons because of possible threat to their country rings hollow.What country in the world has threatened Iran with pre-emptive nuclear attack? People point to Israels weapons as justification for the right of Iran to develop nukes.Last time i checked Iran wasn't surrounded on all sides by states that have at one time or another pledged or attempted to annhilate it.Israel hasn't threatened anyone with a pre-emptive attack with nuclear weapons so how can you claim that Iran should be allowed to develop weapons too so that is can "protect" itself from foreign aggression?
As for only allowing our "buddies" to develop weapons,the US wasn't complict in the development of any other countries weapons preogrammes,with the exception in part of Britain.All the others,Russia,France,China, could hardly be described as buddies of the US.In fact Russian and China succeeded largely in part to stealing secrets form the US.
I just don't understand the thrust of your arguement here.You are contradicting yourself all over the place.Complaining that Britains refurbishment of it's existing stock is dangerous and in breech of non-proliferation protocols on the one hand;then on the other complaining against the hypocrisy of the US and Britain trying to prevent Iran and North Korea from acquiring a nuclear capability. Are you saying that allowing other countries to develop nuclear capabilites is a good thing?

Gurgle

AbusesToilets wrote:

Iran hasn't needed the impetus of Britain upgrading it's arms to pursue it's own policy of weaponization.It's own desires for regional domination see to that.

Huh?
As in its desire to continue existing as a theocracy?
Has Iran ever attempted to invade anywhere?

Judt

Gurgle wrote:

Huh?
As in its desire to continue existing as a theocracy?
Has Iran ever attempted to invade anywhere?

After the revolution? Iraq. They've also made a habit of taking hostages and threatening to wipe other people off the face of the earth for not conforming to their religious views. Just the types you want having nukes.