''MMA ruining TKD!"

yomchi

Tim_Murphy wrote:

Using people like Mark Weir to show that TKD might work in MMA doesn’t make any sense for the reasons John (I think) gave. The really have no diea why people make the point of mentioning how some former TKDers do well in MMA. On a much smaller scale I could be used as an example of a TKD fighter in MMA, but using me as an example of someone ‘making their TKD work’ for MMA would be stupid. That is not to say my back ground in TKD didn’t play some part in me doing OK for myself in MMA



You and that Healy lad I’ll bet! LOL



Why? If you train semi contact you train semi contact, if you full you train full. If you are interested in TKD sparring then MT is not the way to go. Many good habits for full contact translate to bad habits for semi contact, and vica versa.

Can’t see how this would work TBH. No offensive but what does the average ITF instructor know about FC? There’ll be a few who will, but most wouldn’t have a clue. Whats worse, it that most properly would pretend that they do instead of getting proper FC coaches in.

The only FC TKD I’ve seen was on the TKDpower site, pretty poor stuff TBH. The FC fights at the world champs in Korea was apparently of a similar standard.

I agree, there are very few instructors in the TKD scene with any FC experience. And to be honest I think if it goes full contact it will a version of full contact within the parametres of Taekwon-Do - heavier than light contact so to speak.
The Maximus FC event on TKDPower was a poor show. I think if memory serves my right, not one fighter had any real experience in full contact. It was however a show put together to which allowed TKD fighters to go as hard as they liked - which ended up in a tooth being knocked out but no knockouts. Apart from that Maximus was a sop to the ITF president who is looking for more FC bouts within the ITF.

Tim_Murphy

And to be honest I think if it goes full contact it will a version of full contact within the parametres of Taekwon-Do - heavier than light contact so to speak.

That just reads to me that is will be poor quality FC TBH. It is either full contact or it isn't. It it is developed properly it will be FC, otherwise IMO it will never be more than semi contact fighters trying to hit a bit harder. I'm interested to see how it will develop all the same.

The Maximus FC event on TKDPower was a poor show. I think if memory serves my right, not one fighter had any real experience in full contact. It was however a show put together to which allowed TKD fighters to go as hard as they liked - which ended up in a tooth being knocked out but no knockouts.

I liked the idea of it and what they were trying to do. I even got in contact with Antony Pantelli with a few to me entering a team if I could get one together. He didn't seem that interested though because it would have been a non ITF team (that was the reason given anyway).

Apart from that Maximus was a sop to the ITF president who is looking for more FC bouts within the ITF.

I was looking at the website recently and TKDpower seems to have moved on to one of the other ITFs?

yomchi

I agree with your sentiments about FC. Yeh they were put out a few months back over stuff he wrote about Trevor Nicholls on the old online forum. He also had the domain name for the old site, hence the new site.

Funny he gave you that answer because the Irish team that fought that night were from Taekwon-Do international in Cork under Brian Buckley and another club were WTF as far as I can remember.

Tim_Murphy

Yeh they were put out a few months back over stuff he wrote about Trevor Nicholls on the old online forum.

I remember that alright. The politcs, well some might just call it pretty bickering, on that site was gas!

Funny he gave you that answer because the Irish team that fought that night were from Taekwon-Do international in Cork under Brian Buckley and another club were WTF as far as I can remember.

Strange indeed. I had it in my head that a few iutf lads competed in it? AFAIK he is friends with a certain high ranking Irish TKDist, so maybe that had something to do with it, although that is pure speculation. It doesn't really matter too much anyway.

yomchi

Tim_Murphy wrote:

I remember that alright. The politcs, well some might just call it pretty bickering, on that site was gas!

Strange indeed. I had it in my head that a few iutf lads competed in it? AFAIK he is friends with a certain high ranking Irish TKDist, so maybe that had something to do with it, although that is pure speculation. It doesn't really matter too much anyway.

The IUTF were to send a team, but as Maximus was to be launched, the host received his marching orders from the ITF. Therefore the IUTF couldn't compete, so TKDI sent a team instead. Sean Keane competed and that was it, you know Sean he'd compete anywhere! He's always up for it.

That forum is to return sometime soon I believe. Not sure when though.

*Kyong Yae* bows and leaves forum respectfuly... Ah the americans!

Tim_Murphy

The IUTF were to send a team, but as Maximus was to be launched, the host received his marching orders from the ITF.

I thought the procedure was that he would be suspended until the next congress?! :rolleyes:

Sean Keane competed and that was it, you know Sean he'd compete anywhere! He's always up for it.

True.

Ah the americans!

Dying to have a chat with Marvin agains! I recken he would be disappointed with you! LOL

hey_funboy

What a load of nonsense "I introduced grappling to Ireland"
You did in my rusty sherrif's badge Mr. Darcy.

I introduced grappling to Ireland...........last Tuesday.

From there it took off, and there are now lots of clubs around the country-SBG, Na Fianna, Point Blank etc.

So get your facts right.

yomchi

Dying to have a chat with Marvin agains! I recken he would be disappointed with you!

Haha, he's a nice guy in the flesh is Marvin. I think towards the last 2 months of the life of that board they could see the attitude changing. I remember someone emailing me saying I was letting the side down because I said the SD techniques were useless!

I miss Mas, he spoke some truth!

arybvtcw0eolkf

"I introduced grappling into Ireland"... I wonder did he mean he introduced grappling to the TKD scene in Ireland?.

I know he used to do some grappling (gi & no-gi) in his club, so maybe thats what was mean't.

Jon, maybe you can shed some light on this one?.

I know our friend Frank Malone done some grappling with JD and has a 'team' grappling t-shirt. In the meantime I'll ask Frank about JD teaching grappling.

yomchi

Mairt wrote:

"I introduced grappling into Ireland"... I wonder did he mean he introduced grappling to the TKD scene in Ireland?.

I know he used to do some grappling (gi & no-gi) in his club, so maybe thats what was mean't.

Jon, maybe you can shed some light on this one?.

I know our friend Frank Malone done some grappling with JD and has a 'team' grappling t-shirt. In the meantime I'll ask Frank about JD teaching grappling.

Any grappling we did when I was there was all in uniform. JD used to grapple with me a lot because I was much bigger than him and he used to always win :rolleyes: - however he never once showed me how to actually grapple.
I hear he's living in Hawaii now full time?

john kavanagh

i visited his club a couple of years ago and rolled with him and his students. a very nice bunch of lads...but they had no idea how to grapple. maybe they've improved a lot since?

yomchi

john kavanagh wrote:

i visited his club a couple of years ago and rolled with him and his students. a very nice bunch of lads...but they had no idea how to grapple. maybe they've improved a lot since?

I remember watching you at the AIMMA worlds in 2000, smiley jox I think you had on. And JD saying you were missing loads of opportunity's :rolleyes:

He didn't say much when you went on to win it. By the way what was your opinion of the standard of grappling at that tournament?

john kavanagh

Jon wrote:

smiley jox I think you had on.

hey they were my cool 'badboy' shorts!!

Jon wrote:

And JD saying you were missing loads of opportunity's

lol! well now i've heard that i can be a bit more blunt.... it was actually about 2 weeks prior to that comp i visited his place. i rolled with about 10 people in a row (no rest) then went with him (who had been resting the whole time!). even though he was considerably heavier than me i caught him in less than a minute - i guess i didn't miss my opportunity . this was before i was even a blue belt (first belt in BJJ!).

Jon wrote:

He didn't say much when you went on to win it.

hmmm funny how that happens! actually i just heard recently somone saying that his son apparently 'nearly had me' lol i met him in the finals and tapped him out handy - like every other match i had that day. dont mean to sound like a dick but just stating fact, wouldn't have bothered saying it (happened about 6 years ago afterall!!) until i read about him commenting on my 'missing opportunities' :rolleyes:

Jon wrote:

By the way what was your opinion of the standard of grappling at that tournament?

to be honest it was terrible. me and my training partner dave roche went in at the last minute and won the light and heavy weight devisions very easily and we were both BJJ white belts at the time.

i've noticed they haven't had grappling devisions in their events since...hmmmm wonder why?

yomchi

i've noticed they haven't had grappling devisions in their events since...hmmmm wonder why?

Could be a reason alright

gymrabbit

at least they gave it a shot.

john kavanagh

gymrabbit wrote:

at least they gave it a shot.

well of course its good to try something new and 'give it a shot'. its not so cool to then talk about that subject like your an expert or come out with outrageous claims of introducing said subject into a country!!

bella1

john kavanagh wrote:

well of course its good to try something new and 'give it a shot'. its not so cool to then talk about that subject like your an expert or come out with outrageous claims of introducing said subject into a country!!

a lot of people making outrageous claims on this and other threads.:eek:

Ger Healy

As someone who might know a little bit about this particular thread, having trained with Master Darcy in Aimaa for a number of year before taking a differed road.

I will just add my two cents

I think that mixed martial arts is ruining Tae Kwon Do today, and not just Tae Kwon Do but all true martial arts.

Everybody wants the quick fix. They don’t want to put in the work

Tell this to anyone who’s trained or competed in an mma event

They forget about tradition I firmly believe that you need to know where you come from to know where you’re going. People have forgotten that, people have forgotten their roots.

Yes knowing your root is important but don’t get stuck in them. People did to progress and learn new things new ways of training and then to experience this for them selves some times.
You cannot go through life doing something for traditional reasons without at least questioning them.

They learn a bit of grappling, a bit of boxing, a bit of kickboxing and everything becomes diluted.
The martial arts are not meant to be diluted’

If you going to talk about a subject you should at least research the subject first before trying to knock it and in this case train in it and compete in it before making any judgment.

If you where to ask a person with knowledge of karate they would say that tkd is a diluted forum of karate. As the founding father of tkd studied karate in Japan before returning to Korea and formulise tkd as we know it.

“It’s greed, these people get to a certain grade, think they know it all. Like I said before the loyalty is gone. They are lead away by money.

This seem a little bit hypocritical as the Aimaa would not exist today unless Grandmaster Cho had not left the organisation he was loyal to first.

I am unsure why Aimaa published this article as I feel it will do more harm to their organisation than good. I remember one of the reasons I joined the Aimaa in the first place it was a statement that was said by one of their masters “ We are open minded everyone and every art has something to offer” and yet here we are.

Tim_Murphy

I am unsure why Aimaa published this article as I feel it will do more harm to their organisation than good. I remember one of the reasons I joined the Aimaa in the first place it was a statement that was said by one of their masters “ We are open minded everyone and every art has something to offer” and yet here we are

TKD groups often go on about being open minded, it's a bit like them saying 'no politics' in their ads in irish fighter. :rolleyes:

What I think what tends to happen is that people do get frustrated with close minded attitudes, and go start a new group. Over time the new group becomes an older one and starts to turn into the thing it was trying to get away from.