Who is running the UCD Fashion Show 2007?

Sangre

Few lads I know had to wear just jocks, had to get full body fake tan for it aswell, hah.

cast_iron

Young Siward wrote:

A bit rich to wheel out the tassles after two weeks of rehersals though, wouldn't you think?

Yes. I disagree with that too, especially when Panda said no originally. Good on you Panda for refusing.

But you did prove my point for me - no one was forced to do anything.

Also, on looking at some of the pics posted on a link above, I thought there was both men and women prancing about in underwear.

mloc

Sangre wrote:

Few lads I know had to wear just jocks, had to get full body fake tan for it aswell, hah.

yeah same here. one of my friends was hit by an egg coming back from getting tan done (by some of his friends!) which made it run, so they had to do it again...

Joe was quite an orange boy for a few weeks after that.

LovelyHurling

panda100 wrote:

selceting people based on their apperance and then making then making the women of the show prance around in suspenders and bra's. That is not fashion

Indeed it is not! That is disgusting and terrible. Where are these horrifying goings-on so that we all might go down and drool - i mean demonstrate against - all the the hot girls!

panda100

Kaptain Redeye wrote:

Just to put this into perspective panda, my GF saw you a few weeks ago before council and asked how anyone could wear a tiny skirt like yours on a freezing cold night*.
!

I was heading out afterwards and wanted to look nice for my boyfriend...and I was wearing boots with it and it wasnt even short!!
Its not exactly wearing nipple tassles so that is not putting it into persepective.Wearing something you feel comfortable in to look good for your boyfriend is completly differnt to showing your breasts in the name of 'fashion' !! hopefully this year they wont have to resort to 'fashion' like that which is seen in the picture. I mean come on that is not fashion....thats just porno.

Blush_01

Maybe they had no problem wearing the tassles. It's all personal. Nobody forces the models to model, no gun is held to their heads. Unfortunately quite a few of the FFSMs I had to deal with had lights on, but rarely was anyone home, or else they were playing up to the stereotype in a major way. Fair play to them for passing the year* and being in the Fashion Show, it's bloody demanding.



*may not have happened, but hey, at least they looked "pretty".

Stabshauptmann

panda100 wrote:

Its not exactly wearing nipple tassles so that is not putting it into persepective.

I feel very sorry for you if you cant grasp the rather simple point.

The point isnt that wearing skirts is the same as going around practically topless.
The point is that what one person views as acceptable and is comfortable with, will not always be viewed the same way by everyone else. The perspective I offered is that what is generally considered a norm in Ireland is viewed as totally rediculous by some other cultures.

You view the tassles as degrading. There are people who would say the same about skirts in winter.

You dont have to agree with what these girls choose to do, I'm not saying that I do, but they have a choice and you do have to accept in this society that people are free to make their own choices in life.

Wearing something you feel comfortable in to look good for your boyfriend is completly differnt to showing your breasts in the name of 'fashion' !!

It beggers belief that you just posted that.

Panda you've made quite a few comments over the past few months about objectifying women which you've just totally contradicted.

panda100

Kaptain Redeye wrote:

Panda you've made quite a few comments over the past few months about objectifying women which you've just totally contradicted.

Have I?Though I get what your saying kre that people differ in what they find offensive.
I have no problem with people wearing skimpy clothes if they feel comfortable in them. I wear short skirts and tight tops all the time cos I only have myself to answer to and I can wear whatever I want to wear. I couldnt give a toss what your girlfriend thinks of my lack of clothes and no one tells me what I have to wear. I wear what I feel good in and I feel good in my skirts and boots especially in Winter when I generally feel crap and all SAD.

The thing about the fashion show is that it is our colleges biggest charity event. Those 'models' arent representing just themselves they are representatives of the whole college and are raising money on behalf of UCD.Hundreds of people come to watch the fashion show. Ive seen all types of people there from young kids to old men and their view of UCD is young women wearing nipple tassles.
Its just sad that all the girls in the fashion show look the same...flat stomachs,tanned,perfect teeth etc etc.If the fashion show has to resort to showing womens breast and upper toprsos it would be nice to reperent all of UCD and show a variety of figures.

Anyways,I some people from boards try out.It would be fun to see what there view on it is.........

Stabshauptmann

panda100 wrote:

Have I?

Yes!

Though I get what your saying kre that people differ in what they find offensive.

Not offensive (in this case, though they will differ on that too), what they feel comfortable doing.

I have no problem with people wearing skimpy clothes if they feel comfortable in them. I wear short skirts and tight tops all the time cos I only have myself to answer to and I can wear whatever I want to wear.

Exactly, so why cant every other girl in UCD, the images on posters, and this charity fashion show, show ppl who dress certain ways that they chose to dress.

I couldnt give a toss what your girlfriend thinks of my lack of clothes and no one tells me what I have to wear. I wear what I feel good in and I feel good in my skirts and boots especially in Winter when I generally feel crap and all SAD.

A)That wasnt my point at all, my point was that she has just come over from Switzerland, where its really really cold, and its now ingrained in her mind that skirts in winter = crazy. Cultural context, nothing more.

B)You've contradicted your objectification of women line again.

The thing about the fashion show is that it is our colleges biggest charity event. Those 'models' arent representing just themselves they are representatives of the whole college and are raising money on behalf of UCD.Hundreds of people come to watch the fashion show. Ive seen all types of people there from young kids to old men and their view of UCD is young women wearing nipple tassles.

Thats mind boggling stupid of them if thats the case. Not only have I never met anyone with that opinion, but Ive never talked to anyone before this thread about the UCD fashion show. So, from my personal experience, I dont think they have any effect on the colleges reputation.
For christs sake I pride my self on getting the most out of college and knowing whats on when etc, and I didnt even know there were women that scantly clad.

Its just sad that all the girls in the fashion show look the same

As you!
Im surprised no one has ever said this to you, but you have the body and the dress code of the models, "unrealistic stereotype", and poster girls that you have been complaining about. Thats not an attack, its a comlpement.

...flat stomachs,tanned,perfect teeth etc etc.If the fashion show has to resort to showing womens breast and upper toprsos it would be nice to reperent all of UCD and show a variety of figures.

I'll admit I dont know much about fashion, but Im going to go out on a limb and say that most of the time its about looking good, which is why models are good looking.

pretty*monster

Burquas for some. Tedious repetuous arguments for others.

Fashion Shows are boring.

panda100

Kaptain Redeye wrote:

Im surprised no one has ever said this to you, but you have the body and the dress code of the models, "unrealistic stereotype", and poster girls that you have been complaining about..

Excuse me but when have you ever seen me wearing this on campus!!


KRE,go see the fashion show this year and then come back and tell me wether you think it represents our college well.

hullaballoo

I would have assumed Kap was referring to what the models would wear day in day out, not particularly at the fashion show, as being similar to the way most people dress.

I don't think anyone wears half the clothes you see in a fashion show on anything like a regular basis.

Aside from that point, I think fashion shows are by their very nature a conceited idea and I don't see the relevance to students of it. However, I will concede that it seems to drum up a great deal of support from students and people who are into that sort of thing, so I can't really afford to judge.

cast_iron

Panda, I find it almost disingenuous of you to claim (in earlier threads about SU posters) that these good looking scantily clad women project an unrealistic image to people, when I learn here that you go out dressed as such yourself.

You claim you were 'comfortable' - in the freezing cold. Of course you were.
The excuse of looking good for you bf is fine, if you didn't argue that attractive women should not show their great bodies off (with little on) because it projects an unrealistic image to impressionable young people.

Is it just me, or are you preaching one thing, but practising another?
(We don't need Redeye and dictionary.com for this one).

mloc

Unrealistic image? In fairness it's hardly unrealistic if all those people can do it. Sure, not everyone is gifted with being great looking, but since when should we all just settle for the lowest common denominator?

Your argument runs along the lines of
"Oh, there's some not so good looking people out there, I reckon, therefore, showing off good looking people is wrong and we shouldn't do it because everyone's not good looking"

Everybody isn't clever either, nor athletic, nor rich. But we celebrate these things, and aspire towards them, as an ideal. Obviously, everyone's opinions of what ideal is when it comes to looks are completely different, but at the same time, the fashion shows opinion of ideal is that of the generally accepted view. It makes a whole load of money for charity. It's a whole load of fun for everyone involved.

We can level everything out and try and get people down to the lowest common level, but by losing sight of ideals and not admiring exceptional individuals, in any field, be it looks or intelligence or whatever, we lose out on one of the tenets of human sociology, to praise and admire that which is above the ordinary.

gubbie

mloc wrote:

Unrealistic image? In fairness it's hardly unrealistic if all those people can do it. Sure, not everyone is gifted with being great looking, but since when should we all just settle for the lowest common denominator?

Your argument runs along the lines of
"Oh, there's some not so good looking people out there, I reckon, therefore, showing off good looking people is wrong and we shouldn't do it because everyone's not good looking"

Everybody isn't clever either, nor athletic, nor rich. But we celebrate these things, and aspire towards them, as an ideal. Obviously, everyone's opinions of what ideal is when it comes to looks are completely different, but at the same time, the fashion shows opinion of ideal is that of the generally accepted view. It makes a whole load of money for charity. It's a whole load of fun for everyone involved.

We can level everything out and try and get people down to the lowest common level, but by losing sight of ideals and not admiring exceptional individuals, in any field, be it looks or intelligence or whatever, we lose out on one of the tenets of human sociology, to praise and admire that which is above the ordinary.

Yar its survival of the fittest. One day we will just be left with insanely clever, beautifully looking, olympic gold medallists for a race. I look forward to that day. Step one is all the Polish in Ireland cos we need lovely cheekbones and skin that them have

Het-Field

gubbie wrote:

Yar its survival of the fittest. One day we will just be left with insanely clever, beautifully looking, olympic gold medallists for a race. I look forward to that day. Step one is all the Polish in Ireland cos we need lovely cheekbones and skin that them have

Damn Irish. Such an ugly race. With the exception of myself, and the rest of those who frequent Boards.ie

panda100

cast_iron wrote:

Panda, I find it almost disingenuous of you to claim (in earlier threads about SU posters) that these good looking scantily clad women project an unrealistic image to people, when I learn here that you go out dressed as such yourself.



You claim you were 'comfortable' - in the freezing cold. Of course you were.
The excuse of looking good for you bf is fine, if you didn't argue that attractive women should not show their great bodies off (with little on) because it projects an unrealistic image to impressionable young people.

Is it just me, or are you preaching one thing, but practising another?
(We don't need Redeye and dictionary.com for this one).

My problem with the arts day posters were not what the models were wearing,it was the models themselves.I would have just like the su to show women and men of all shapes and sizes warts and all and not those who look a certain way. I dont mind if people wear bikinis,short skirts,tight tops at all.People can wear whatever they want.
I wouldnt call myself having a great body.I dont look perfect in a bikini.I had a huge growth spurt when I was 17 and so have lumps,bumps,pale etc. Its you who are saying Im showing my great body off but its definatly not ucd fashion
show standards.
I have no qualms with the lack of clothes they wear in the fashion show just as long as they would use a variety of types of models. Im not asking for them to use size 23 models as that would be unhealthy. Im just saying it would be nice for the fashion show to represent all females of UCD and not just those who are tanned, toned to perfection with bleached white teeth....Do you see what Im saying?

Anyways as I say go down to the audtions yourself and see how you feel about it then? If its even going ahead?Did they manage to get funding?

Chakar

panda100 wrote:

My problem with the arts day posters were not what the models were wearing,it was the models themselves.I would have just like the su to show women and men of all shapes and sizes warts and all and not those who look a certain way. I dont mind if people wear bikinis,short skirts,tight tops at all.People can wear whatever they want.
I wouldnt call myself having a great body.I dont look perfect in a bikini.I had a huge growth spurt when I was 17 and so have lumps,bumps,pale etc. Its you who are saying Im showing my great body off but its definatly not ucd fashion
show standards.
I have no qualms with the lack of clothes they wear in the fashion show just as long as they would use a variety of types of models. Im not asking for them to use size 23 models as that would be unhealthy. Im just saying it would be nice for the fashion show to represent all females of UCD and not just those who are tanned, toned to perfection with bleached white teeth....Do you see what Im saying?

Anyways as I say go down to the audtions yourself and see how you feel about it then? If its even going ahead?Did they manage to get funding?

Wow you're still talking about it..:eek:

Sangre

panda100 wrote:

My problem with the arts day posters were not what the models were wearing,it was the models themselves.

I have no qualms with the lack of clothes they wear in the fashion show just as long as they would use a variety of types of models.

There are better ways to raise money for charity that dont involve rejecting and selceting people based on their apperance and then making then making the women of the show prance around in suspenders and bra's. That is not fashion or charity that is sleazy and really degrading

Two weeks into rehearsals I was told I had to wear these ridiculous tassle things on my nipples...I said no and decided my dignity was worth more then showing my body in the name of 'fashion' and 'charity'.

Panda, if you don't even know your own position how do you expect us to be able to follow you?

cast_iron

Ah great, that saves me digging them out.

Blush_01

Panda, there is no size 23. 22 or 24, but they don't make clothes in a size 23. Besides, if you want the fashion show to be representative, then the unhealthily overweight should be as represented as the unhealthily underweight, non? I'm sorry, but I'm all out of clues, otherwise I'd lend you one until you get your own.