Nasty Incident at creche..

run_Forrest_run

dame, not knowing what area you are living in but where i am living it is extremely difficult to find a child minder, do you not think I investigated that avenue? I am not from the area and do not know many people around to benefit from word of mouth or good references. The same applies to yourself dame, if you came to my door for child minding services I would happily relieve you of the 'hassle' as you put it..I hope not all child minders see a parents concern with accidents as hassle!

There are also downsides to child minders, what to do when they are sick? When they want to take holidays? Suddenly they want to leave without much notice? Less interaction with other children (if child minder is only minding the one child).

Money is not the issue here, seeing as they are supposed to look after my child you cannot put a price on that, in the quotes above I was simply stating that I was paying for a service, period. Anyway I think this is drifting from the original point of this thread.

Heinrich

dame wrote:

I think it is unnecessary to repeatedly bring up the amount you are paying them, as part of your argument.
I also think it is extremely rude to effectively say that people who don't have children minded in creches are wasting peoples' time by posting on this thread. Do you think they don't have a valid opinion because they don't pay large sums for their child to be minded?
I do think you are bitter about having to pay this amount to the only creche in the area and you seem to hold the creche to exacting standards of care, which even you and your wife together would not be able to provide in your own home, every second of every day.

To be honest though, if I was the child-minder you came to and I knew you were the father posting here, I would not agree to mind your child. It just would not be worth the hassle if the child ever had an accident, however minor.

Dame makes somd excellent points here to which I subscribe fully. It would seem that the constant references to the actual cost of child care implies that the OP expects a perfect accident free service for the child. Frankly, this is not possible and statistics too often show that the home is the primary place where child accidents occur, many very serious.

Paying out money will not discharege the parent of his/her fundamental obligation towards the child. As I have tried to point out, the parent makes the choice and using the argument of expensive mortgages or child minding fees does not absolve one from that responsibility! The anology of the young wan with the kid living in corpo lodgement was misinterpreted in my opinion.

The wans who live in skangerdom choose that lifestyle and as long as their children are properly looked after then their duty towards the children is being discharged correctly. If you want to add to the financial argument why not mention the larger car with the more expensive car seat or whatever...

Some of us raised children without the luxury of a nice cosy house and two cars in the driveway. The quality of life is not measured in cash terms. A bit less money and a lot less stress is also a good combination for a happy family.

The pleasure of cycling home daily at midday to see the wife and children and eat pasta because it is cheap is a rare pleasure. You make your choice.

To get back on topic, if you really think that there will be no accidents in child care then there is a problem. I know of one child who was accidentally knocked down by a jogger whilst leaving a shop, having his hand held by his auntie. He spent a week in Temple Street for observation for suspected brain damage. Happily he recovered from that episode.

run_Forrest_run

yes I got a copy of the accident report. I also contacted the hospital and was told of the contents of the report on presentation. I have met with the manager of the creche and discussed by concerns. Since then they have installed more hinge protectors (why they were not all installed in the first place I'll never know). They have also put up a gate around the door which means the babies cannot get near the door in the first place.
I am satisfied with their subsequent actions and I know perfectly well it is the legal side of things which means they cannot simply say sorry and put their hands up to this...anyway what's done is done and the main thing is no serious injury was caused.

dame

run_Forrest_run wrote:

dame, not knowing what area you are living in but where i am living it is extremely difficult to find a child minder, do you not think I investigated that avenue? I am not from the area and do not know many people around to benefit from word of mouth or good references. The same applies to yourself dame, if you came to my door for child minding services I would happily relieve you of the 'hassle' as you put it..I hope not all child minders see a parents concern with accidents as hassle!

I'm not a childminder and my child is looked after in a creche actually.
There's concern and there's knowing when to let something go. All that could be done at the time was done and they have made improvements since. They've also filled out the accident reports and done everything by the book. To continue with your complaining at the creche is pointless unless you are actually going to sue.

A little story; one evening I picked up my child and was told she has a bump on her forehead cos she banged heads with X. I had a look at her, said these things happen, thanks for telling me and turned around to put her coat on. I then saw the father of X come in, be told the same thing but he then proceeded to launch a tirade against the two poor girls minding the kids. Strangely enough, his argument was along the lines of "I'm paying you to look after my child...how could this happen...I'll need to speak to the manager". He just couldn't accept the fact that children will reach down for the same toy at the same time. In his eyes, he was paying for a service so it was completely unacceptable for his darling to be allowed bump heads with another child. He stalked off to talk to the manager and one girl turned to the other and said she was glad the family were leaving. Turns out the second child was on the way soon and the mother was giving up work to look after them. I hope the father hasn't held her to such standards since!

eth0_

dame wrote:

I think I've proved my point here.
So what does the amount you are paying have to do with anything??

You haven't proved your point at all, you're using those quotes to suit your own argument. In fact it's quite strange that you would go to all that trouble of picking out all those quotes.

It's quite obvious the OP is saying he isn't paying for his child to attend a professional child care facility only to be injured because they haven't child-proofed the place properly or taken adequate care with his child.

Nevyn

This isn't a points scoring debate, but people sharing thier experiences and looking at things from thier own point of view.

We can only read so much into what words appear here ad how we read them is coloured buy who we are and our own experiences as well.

Everyone knows how emotions run high when we find out that our child or a child we care for has been hurt.

Hinge protectors are a pretty new thing only developed in the last few years,
while it makes sense to have them I wonder are they mandated by the health and safety regs ?

run_Forrest_run

what are U on about? Who ever mentioned cosy houses, 2 cars in driveway, fancy car seat? As you said you don't give a highlands about my background..so U don't have a clue, why not take the chip off your shoulder and come clean about your own bitterness but please don't do it in this thread as it is not related to the original point.

cycling hope at lunchtime to see the wife and children and eat pasta?? what on earth has this to do with the original point?? unless I was Lance Armstrong that would not be possible no matter how much cheap pasta I ate...I don't think I am alone here..or maybe because I work 10 miles from my house makes me a bad husband and father now does it?

listen kids bumping into each other is part and parcel with life...of course it is. I accept that and no matter where you are that could happen..it happened to all of us. It is not the same however as a baby getting fingers jammed in a hinge door by someone closing the door when the child should have not been near the door in the first place (in the context of my point, a creche!).

anyway something has been done about it so end of story and life goes on.

Heinrich

run_Forrest_run wrote:

what are U on about? Who ever mentioned cosy houses, 2 cars in driveway, fancy car seat? As you said you don't give a highlands about my background..so U don't have a clue, why not take the chip off your shoulder and come clean about your own bitterness but please don't do it in this thread as it is not related to the original point.

cycling hope at lunchtime to see the wife and children and eat pasta?? what on earth has this to do with the original point?? unless I was Lance Armstrong that would not be possible no matter how much cheap pasta I ate...I don't think I am alone here..or maybe because I work 10 miles from my house makes me a bad husband and father now does it?

listen kids bumping into each other is part and parcel with life...of course it is. I accept that and no matter where you are that could happen..it happened to all of us. It is not the same however as a baby getting fingers jammed in a hinge door by someone closing the door when the child should have not been near the door in the first place (in the context of my point, a creche!).

anyway something has been done about it so end of story and life goes on.

The point being made was that you chose your lifestyle and that obviously includes any risks you might incur with child minding facilities.

The other point made was that EVEN if you or your wife were to mind the child at home there are accident risks.

What your offspring underwent was certainly not life threatening and you will find out as you progress on the parenting adventure that there will be further risks to be taken care of.

As I explained earlier, I have grown up offspring so I can claim some parental experience which includes hospital visits etc.

Happily for you your child has gottten over her little trauma and as you say that ends that. Or does it...

Gaspode

run_Forrest_run wrote:

cheers deswalsh...thanks for the helpful response...u seem to know so much about accidents..are you one yourself?

Now now, no need for that! Whether I'm an accident or not is my parents business not yours.
Also, my response was not intended to be helpful, it was intended to show how OTT your reaction to this incident is.

maybe people are playing the devil's advocate..

Thats the term I was looking for...

I know a child cannot be protected all the time and their are hazards all every where, U seem to be missing my point...if you gave me 800 euro a month to mind your child and I called you to say he/she caught their fingers in a door hinge because I was not paying attention to him/her would U just shrug it off and say 'accidents happen'?

did they shrug it off and say 'accidents happen'? I dont think so, they took action to ensure your child was treated after the accident, even to the point of getting an ambulance just in case the injury was bad.

littlebitdull, do you have children? If so who minds them? If your answer is 'the grandparents' then stop wasting our time.

Ooh more nasty stuff! This also seems to contradict your point that you're not bitter about the money end of things, no?


OK, my final words on this, as I feel a pee'd off moderator about to give this thread the chop!.
I'm sorry your child got hurt. I do hope she is OK, but as an experienced father, I'm sure she will get over this, probably quicker than her parents will.
You need to chill out a bit, this wont be her last accident.
Expect a vast range of responses on Boards.ie to anything you post and dont get upset that people disagree vehemently with your views.

littlebitdull

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yes I would love to stay at home and mind my daughter, my wife would love to do that also but unfortunately things like mortgages have to be repaid...do you have children? If so who minds them? If your answer is 'the grandparents' then stop wasting our time.[/QUOTE]


Actually no ... strange as it is in this day and age - I am actually raring all of my children MYSELF - shock horror *gasps in disbelief*

And as I have more than one wee one I do have some small experience of children over the years.

run_Forrest_run

well good on u. You are obviously a better parent than I can ever hope to be.

Nevyn

Right run_Forrest_run I am going to lock this thread otherwise every Johnny and Jane come lately will want to add thier two bits.

Differnet people have diffferent lives and differing needs and styles of parenting,
but for the most part we all have one thing in common, wanting what is best for our children.

run_Forrest_run if you want the tread reopened pm me.

Gald to hear your little one recovered ok.