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THE DON FANUCCI

BarneyMc wrote: »

Sink, dishwasher, etc.

are you running the sink and dishwasher both into that 4inch pipe? sounds like good idea.
how do you connect

delfagio

THE DON FANUCCI wrote:

are you running the sink and dishwasher both into that 4inch pipe? sounds like good idea. how do you connect

Yes usually you would run your kitchen waste into a 4" pipe, you normally connect the dishwasher waste into the kitchen sink waste underneath the sink.

The waste pipe from the sink, usually a 32mm or 44mm pipe connects into the 4" pipe using an adaptor, your plumbing supplier or building provider will know what it is if you ask for it

THE DON FANUCCI

delfagio wrote: »

Yes usually you would run your kitchen waste into a 4" pipe, you normally connect the dishwasher waste into the kitchen sink waste underneath the sink.

The waste pipe from the sink, usually a 32mm or 44mm pipe connects into the 4" pipe using an adaptor, your plumbing supplier or building provider will know what it is if you ask for it

cool didn't realise this. 4 inch then out through the wall and out into a soak pit?

BryanF

THE DON FANUCCI wrote: »

cool didn't realise this. 4 inch then out through the wall and out into a soak pit?

Perhaps you would consider buying a leaving cert construction studies book

THE DON FANUCCI

BryanF wrote: »

Perhaps you would consider buying a leaving cert construction studies book

anybody buy that homebond house building manual newest edition? is it any good?

BryanF

THE DON FANUCCI wrote: »

anybody buy that homebond house building manual newest edition? is it any good?

No
I find there are better sources of info available
http://www.environ.ie/housing/building-standards/tgd-part-d-materials-and-workmanship/technical-guidance-documents

893bet

All plumbing in bathrooms complete.

Water pump also turned on today. Really happy with how quiet it is. Have been in some houses where the whole house shakes from it! Just a little purr off of it.

john_eire

What make pump did you use 893bet?

893bet

It's a grundos (spelling). I got a really thick rubber matt to sit it on which may also have helped. Once it's boxed it it will be all but silent I think.

Bullocks

893bet wrote: »

It's a grundos (spelling). I got a really thick rubber matt to sit it on which may also have helped. Once it's boxed it it will be all but silent I think.

Maybe Grundfos ?

893bet

Bullocks wrote: »

Maybe Grundfos ?

That's prob it!

stickybookmark

893bet wrote: »

It's a grundos (spelling). I got a really thick rubber matt to sit it on which may also have helped. Once it's boxed it it will be all but silent I think.

I'm putting in a Grundfos variable speed drive water pump as well. Where do you have the pump physically located? I didn't think it went inside the house (pardon my ignorance) . We've the well dug & can get water from it but not putting the pump in during the construction phase as it's expensive and it might get damaged so I haven't seen the actual pump yet. I thought it went outside and there's a component of it that goes in the utility room

893bet

stickybookmark wrote: »

I'm putting in a Grundfos variable speed drive water pump as well. Where do you have the pump physically located? I didn't think it went inside the house (pardon my ignorance) . We've the well dug & can get water from it but not putting the pump in during the construction phase as it's expensive and it might get damaged so I haven't seen the actual pump yet. I thought it went outside and there's a component of it that goes in the utility room

We ended up putting the pump in downstairs bathroom. It will be integrated into a storage unit of sorts.

If you have a water well I suspect that's a very different pump. My pump is for a pressurised system. I think if you have a water well you will have a pump to bring water into the house then if you want a pressurised system (for a nice power shower etc) then you need an additional pump.

Curious Geroge

893bet wrote: »

We ended up putting the pump in downstairs bathroom. It will be integrated into a storage unit of sorts.

If you have a water well I suspect that's a very different pump. My pump is for a pressurised system. I think if you have a water well you will have a pump to bring water into the house then if you want a pressurised system (for a nice power shower etc) then you need an additional pump.

Any chance of a picture? Plumber installed an EPS tank with a submerged pump. Placed a rubber matt under it but it still shakes the house. Ongoing saga for about 9 months now to get it out or get it sorted. I wonder would your suit it. Cheers..

893bet

Curious Geroge wrote: »

Any chance of a picture? Plumber installed an EPS tank with a submerged pump. Placed a rubber matt under it but it still shakes the house. Ongoing saga for about 9 months now to get it out or get it sorted. I wonder would your suit it. Cheers..

No problem. It will be the end of the week though as I am working up the country at moment.

stickybookmark

Can I just run something by ye....trying to get my head around this. I'm hiring a tradesman and they are supplying the materials. They sent me an itemised list from the builder's providers showing the materials plus 23% VAT. I pay the tradesman for the materials including 23% VAT. Tradesman pays the builder's providers for the materials inc 23% VAT. Tradesman - coz he's registered for VAT - gets all of this 23% VAT back from the government. So haven't I just paid the 23% straight into the tradesman's pocket? So shouldn't tradesman really sell me the materials with no VAT?

Curious Geroge

stickybookmark wrote: »

Can I just run something by ye....trying to get my head around this. I'm hiring a tradesman and they are supplying the materials. They sent me an itemised list from the builder's providers showing the materials plus 23% VAT. I pay the tradesman for the materials including 23% VAT. Tradesman pays the builder's providers for the materials inc 23% VAT. Tradesman - coz he's registered for VAT - gets all of this 23% VAT back from the government. So haven't I just paid the 23% straight into the tradesman's pocket? So shouldn't tradesman really sell me the materials with no VAT?

If your trade is supplying materials as part of the job he is doing, he charges you his labour + VAT @ 13.5% and the materials + VAT @ 13.5%.

stickybookmark

Curious Geroge wrote: »

If your trade is supplying materials as part of the job he is doing, he charges you his labour + VAT @ 13.5% and the materials + VAT @ 13.5%.

Cheers. The tradesman is actually pocketing that 13.5% on the materials though isn't he? I'm paying him, he's paying builder's providers, they're paying the Rev, the Rev is paying it back to the tradesman. So it's basically me paying an extra 13.5% to the tradesman?

Curious Geroge

stickybookmark wrote: »

Cheers. The tradesman is actually pocketing that 13.5% on the materials though isn't he? I'm paying him, he's paying builder's providers, they're paying the Rev, the Rev is paying it back to the tradesman. So it's basically me paying an extra 13.5% to the tradesman?

If he invoiced you for 23%, its actually illegal as far as I know. (What sort of work as we talking about). Company needs to have over ~37k a year to charge VAT.

sydthebeat

stickybookmark wrote: »

Cheers. The tradesman is actually pocketing that 13.5% on the materials though isn't he? I'm paying him, he's paying builder's providers, they're paying the Rev, the Rev is paying it back to the tradesman. So it's basically me paying an extra 13.5% to the tradesman?

if you bought the materials, youd have to pay 23% VAT

so by the tradesman buying the materials you save 9.5% VAT

someone has to pay the VAT.

While the supply of building materials is in general subject to VAT at the standard rate of 23%, Ireland applies a reduced rate of 13.5% to the supply of ready-to-pour concrete and certain concrete blocks. In addition, where a building contractor carries out home improvements and the materials cost does not exceed two-thirds of the cost of the improvements then the reduced rate of 13.5% applies to the total building service. A consequence of this is that a VAT registered building contractor will generally be entitled to recover VAT at the 23% standard rate on most building materials purchased while the contractor is only liable to charge VAT at the 13.5% reduced rate on the supply to the home owner.
The VAT rating of goods is subject to the requirements of the EU VAT Directive with which Irish VAT law must comply. The application of the 13.5% rate to construction work and building materials is the subject of a derogation from EU VAT law, where most other EU Member States apply higher rates of VAT to building materials. In this context, home improvement works are already incentivised through the VAT system.

https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2013-02-12a.239

delfagio

stickybookmark wrote:

Cheers. The tradesman is actually pocketing that 13.5% on the materials though isn't he? I'm paying him, he's paying builder's providers, they're paying the Rev, the Rev is paying it back to the tradesman. So it's basically me paying an extra 13.5% to the tradesman?

Yes you are correct, if the builder is doing a supply and fit job....then you should only be paying him 13.5% VAT....

If you are buying the materials you pay the 23% VAT and then pay him his 13.5% VAT for labour only.

Sounds like he is charging you additional VAT when he shouldn't going by what you are saying

sydthebeat

if the materials cost are more than 2/3 the total cost, the tradesman MUST charge you at 23%

delfagio

sydthebeat wrote:

if the materials cost are more than 2/3 the total cost, the tradesman MUST charge you at 23%

Really? I didn't know that

Just out of curiosity, when we bought our doors, skirting and architrave, we got supply and fit from a company and it was all at 13.5%, and the materials were over 2/3 the total cost....

Does this only apply to builders and not suppliers like doors, floors etc

stickybookmark

delfagio wrote: »

Really? I didn't know that

Just out of curiosity, when we bought our doors, skirting and architrave, we got supply and fit from a company and it was all at 13.5%, and the materials were over 2/3 the total cost....

What happened there was that the company fiddled the numbers to make it look like labour was 2/3 of the cost so that they could give it all to you at 13.5%. Incidentally since I first posted about this, I've now been offered the same in this case.

Although it's a better deal only paying 13.5% on materials coz tradesman is supplying them, instead of paying 23% on them if I bought them myself......I still reckon there's something wrong.

If I bought materials myself the 23% VAT I'm paying would go into the Revenue coffers.
Because I'm buying them through the tradesman the 13.5% is going into the tradesman coffers and Revenue are ending up with zero.

But them's the breaks!

JimmyMW

stickybookmark wrote: »

What happened there was that the company fiddled the numbers to make it look like labour was 2/3 of the cost so that they could give it all to you at 13.5%. Incidentally since I first posted about this, I've now been offered the same in this case.

Although it's a better deal only paying 13.5% on materials coz tradesman is supplying them, instead of paying 23% on them if I bought them myself......I still reckon there's something wrong.

If I bought materials myself the 23% VAT I'm paying would go into the Revenue coffers.
Because I'm buying them through the tradesman the 13.5% is going into the tradesman coffers and Revenue are ending up with zero.

But them's the breaks!

How do you mean the Revenue are ending up with nothing, I think you have it wrong there, the builder clams back the 23% VAT and charges you 13.5% VAT, The revenue get less but you pay less also, the builder does not pocket the VAT. It is done to help legit builders be more competitive in the market, its similar to the hospitality industries 9.5% VAT (I think thats right) see example below

Materials €100+VAT
Labour €50+VAT

Buying Materials Yourself = (€100+23%) + (€50+13.5%) = €179.75 and the Revenue have €29.75 in VAT

Builder Supplying Materials Also = (€100+€50)+13.5% = €170.25 and the Revenue have €20.25 in VAT

stickybookmark

JimmyMW wrote: »

Builder Supplying Materials Also = (€100+€50)+13.5% = €170.25 and the Revenue have €20.25 in VAT

No they don't. The builder paid the building suppliers 23% VAT for the materials when he bought them. He then claimed that 23% fully back. So 23% went to the Rev and came straight back to him again.

In the meantime I paid him 13.5% VAT on the materials which is in his pocket.

JimmyMW

stickybookmark wrote: »

No they don't. The builder paid the building suppliers 23% VAT for the materials when he bought them. He then claimed that 23% fully back. So 23% went to the Rev and came straight back to him again.

In the meantime I paid him 13.5% VAT on the materials which is in his pocket.

No he pays back that 13.5% VAT to the Revenue, The builder only makes the before VAT price if he changes you 23% VAT it also just goes to the Revenue, you need to look at the maths.

stickybookmark

JimmyMW wrote: »

No he pays back that 13.5% VAT to the Revenue.

Ah that was the missing link, I thought he didn't have to

rampantbunny

Ah lads, I came here looking for pictures of tiles, kitchens, plastered walls...you know, house porn.

stickybookmark

Any suggestions for what to pay a general labourer as a day rate? He will be doing stuff like putting in insulation. We are thinking between 100 and 150 per day?