A hooligans view of the FA Cup

therecklessone

When the draw was done for the 3rd Round of the FA Cup, I said Cardiff vs Spurs was a potential flashpoint. Seems I was right, though not to the extent of the tie vs Leeds a few years ago.

Reports from Spurs fans of a flare being thrown by the Cardiff fans into the away end, in addition to bottles etc. Also heard from mates who made the trip that said it was a very intimidating atmosphere, a lot felt that violence was not a million miles away. I read this report from a Cardiff hoolie on another site, thought some of you might like the read:

Saturday night, mainly the younger and more eager (none family types) of Cardiff were out, not great numbers but enough. Few incidents in grangetown and city centre. The spurs in the hotels had Cardiff as drinking company. The eager of our lot tried on more than one occasion to gain access, and spoil the party. OB had this sussed so no dancing was evident. A slight altercation in grangetown (the grange pub) resulting in one yid taking a slap, he was in the company of Cardiff, but was a little cheeky; this was a one to one affair. The Cardiff youth were in formed yids were in the next pub up the road, the baroness, with an OB presence, youth attempt several times to get in on resulting in ob baton charges, youth very persistent, but speaking to OB Sunday the whole affair was filmed, and a few 6 o’clock knocks will be the conclusion. OB escort yids in taxis from grangetown to city centre. Game over, few reports following a brawl outside the philharmonic (Lloyds) bar and the back alley, yids came second best on this occasion, be interesting to here their account though, OB quell this violence. Night over.(unless anyone else could add more

Early doors Cardiff main lot are out in a very inconspicuous mode of transport mooching around the hotels, all have some police presence and yids from the Hilton are monitored until the move, OB escort them to the usual pub, monk (great western) when driving past this escort of around 25 heads mid late 20’s 30s in age, ‘see you later lads’ echoed from the windows sheepish is the stature of this little mob. The first sighting of yids for the day, the OB have this sewn up and we know this will be a none event unless yids can sneak away. We see it all the time, police presence was massive, they will mop up any yids in city centre hole them up in one or two pubs near station, pen them in then march them the back route to the ground. This has happened to every firm that have come to us, Barnsley and Man U are the only ones who managed to swerve the OB and break free from these pubs, Barnsley paid the price Man u took the result, but they tried to move from the city centre and all got their hands dirty. That’s the name of the game down here.
Cardiff are holed up in their usual haunts, by 11 its full strength with every pub in canton, rammed but what good is this, there are OB outside every pub. Midweek mediation and info was passed to yids on locations postcodes etc and pubs that a good get together could be had. These pubs were constantly monitored and remained OB free. Guess we were expecting more imitative from London’s No1.

But the inevitable follows Cardiff move in dribs & drabs to the only chance left of a possible dance…the pubs the escorts will be marched past. Game over always is when this happens. Yids were monitored and every move communicated, we were hoping for some sneaky brake away from the comfort of numbers because you did have numbers, can’t take that away but it’s a hindrance in this day & age. All this ‘they’ll never shift this lot’ is bollux because in my 25 year career in FV the only 300v300 500v500 firm’s rows I’ve seen and played is in Russia end of. But what else can you do today, if you don’t show with numbers your not a real player but if you do then you can’t really do anything.

The escort is on the move and the helicopter in the air quickly aids ground force OB to the Cardiff in waiting, side streets and lanes on route are swept by OB all are rounded up, both pubs are now full, all doors are locked and OB are placed in Pubs. end of. Escort reaches pubs and have to say by far the best looking Firm to come here since Boro, I put the numbers at 500ish, all heads and certainly looked the part (but so to do the waxes in madam tussauds), its all about action and not the bouncing round in your £400 jacket. I was shocked to see Cardiff had broken out of the residence part of the pub, not great numbers got out before OB wrap this exit up, but those who did made an attempt, the ****ty aspect of throwing bottles and glasses inevitably followed, you can never stop this I’ve tried for years as it not only firm in the escorts. But still it happens. Yids make attempt to break through but it was never going to happen as the escort had as many OB as yids.
This happens as escort passes the next pub, doors eventually open and Cardiff stream out in a attempt the only chance left of a dance at the junction near the garage. Again OB won this one.

Nothing worth reporting on the events in the ground.

Yids kept in for the normal length of time it takes for OB to sweep the streets surrounding the ground, This give Cardiff Main lot a chance to get back to the pubs on the route the escort is taken, its dark now so you never know.
In reference to an earlier post, from gloucesterspurs ‘1000 against 15,erm interesting’

This was plan drawn up as a last ditched attempt of making contact, 25 Cardiff were selected and took residence in a long wheel base sprinter van on the last side street before the bridge, we stayed put for over half an hour in very uncomfortable conditions, watched the OB sweep the area and we were un detected waited till mid escort and very quietly moved towards escort made our self known, much to the surprise of yids and OB who were stumbled and took a while to get grips, that few seconds is what we were after and hoped yids would break and make contact. Fact that yids were also surprised made it a fruitless effort. This was mainly Cardiff main players and youth, (every teacher was once taught and their efforts this season warranted their presence). Have to say I was a little disappointed with spurs attempt to get to us there and then, we made this extra effort to find the pot of gold as most of the day was spent chasing rainbows.

Full respect to yids they looked the part, had the numbers and came on Saturday, but it was only the ones who came Saturday who got their hands dirty Cardiff don’t do the city centre anymore………its like Jessup’s, with many a lad loosing his liberty for just bouncing around, let alone brawling, it’s a no go for us and always will be, just ain’t worth it. We like you are well known and easy to find once the ob take control.
When we came to you 2002 we did get our hands dirty, that’s what its all about is it not.

Still we all get another bite at the apple, but my respect for you is still there, OB won the day they always will now days unless your dedication to the cause makes you plan a little better and work in smaller numbers. Every dance we have had the past 6 seasons has been no more then 40 handed on our part, but more often than not its less than 20, it’s the only way you can satisfy this hunger, nothing will change when we come to yours in the replay.

Loads of Cardiff came ‘out of retirement for this one’ myself included, went home rather disappointed and more to the point, its definitely over this FV lark, OB have far far more numbers, technology, its not often you can swerve them unless both parties have the eager streak of dedication, or you just get lucky.

I missed the entire game as I was on the train from Bristol to Birmingham trying to get home after my flight from Bristol was cancelled, but I'm told Sky reported on Spurs fans being delayed by "traffic congestion" when the truth was the majority were being marched round the houses by Cardiff police.

Two things stand out...British police are world leaders in dealing with potential trouble, and football violence is still alive, if a little strangled.

Kingp35

Of course football violence is still alive and kicking, all the main clubs still have a "service crew". Sure the Leeds "Crew" have their own website which im not gonna post up on this site. Most are just youths who tag along but there is still the hardcore that were arond in the 80's and every now and again the Leeds "crew" have a get together in Elland Road which always results in the best atmosphere of the season.

thebaz

What a pathetic way to spend your weekends -- they need to take up some form of physical excercise such as actually playing football or rugby or boxing -- instead of watching it, getting pissed , and beating up some unforunates , they can outnumber !
I took a hiding from about 6 or 7 Watford supposed hard men -- somehow i don't think they would be so hard 1 on 1.

Bateman

I was watching the game in Sky, "a train left late from London, that's the reason why there are some empty seats in the away section" says Martin Tyler. "They haven't missed much" says Andy Gray . They showed the 25-30 chaps entering the ground late and it was dark coats and caps, pure Yids. At one stage Martin Tyler remarked to Andy Gray "you drove today? You didn't take the helicopter?". This is how out of touch these people are. :rolleyes:

THEYVE FORGOT THE REAL FANS, THE FANS THAT TRAVEL 150 MILE TO ROKER PARK ON A WEDNESDAY NIGHT OR WATCH US LOSE TO HALIFAX IN THE CUP 1ST ROUND, THEY LATCHED ONTO SOMETHING AS IT BECOME POPULAR AND A GOOD FAMILY DAY OUT AND THOUGHT BY WHAMMING THE PRICES AND RAMMING SPONSERS DOWN YOUR THROAT AND MULTI MILLION POUND SIGNINGS FOR PLAYERS THAT ARE WORTH 6 FIGURES ONLY, THEN TAKING AWAY OUR STANDING RIGHTS AND MAKING US PAY AN EXTRA 50-200% OR MORE IN SOME CASES FOR A SHINY PLASTIC SEAT WHILE PLAYING NOTHING BUT AVERAGE FOOTBALL, BANNING SMOKING, BANNING STANDING UP, TELLING YOU YOU CANT STAND THERE BECAUSE THEY SAY SO OR SING CERTAIN SONGS THAT GENERATES THE ATMOSPHERES YOU REMEMBER BECAUSE IT MIGHT OFFEND PEOPLE, BANNING ORDERS AND PRISON SENTENCES FOR SOMETIMES AS LITTLE D&D' I HOPE THE ****ING LOT GOES BUMP AND THEN WHEN ALL THE FLASK CARRYING WAGON JUMPING GIRLFREIND TAKING MUPPETS **** OFF WHEN THEY FIND SOMETHING ELSE THAT MIGHT BE COOL THERE'LL WANT US ALL BACK, HAPPY DAYS EH

Chucky the tree

Very interesting post from whoever wrote it. I was expect there was a decent eforrt at the stoke and milwall match.

Unfortunatly this things will never reported due to the small scale of most of the fights in english football now a days.

Bateman

Milwall took a very poor support to the Stoke match, I don't think there was any dancing.

Kingp35

thebaz wrote:

and beating up some unforunates , they can outnumber !

No Baz your missing the point. These things are orgaised in advance. Spurs fans have their own "crew" who were going to meet with the Cardiff "crew" for a good old brawl. They werent beating up just any old spurs fan they see walking down the road.

Its pretty stupid that this kind of stuff still goes on. I dont know how these people can call themselves football fans.

Bateman

Kingp35 wrote:

I dont know how these people can call themselves football fans.

Easy. They love football, and most of them grew up supporting their team and having their favourite players, favourite jersies etc etc just like any other fan.

Chucky the tree

Bateman wrote:

Milwall took a very poor support to the Stoke match, I don't think there was any dancing.

suprised by that, thought there would be the odd tango or foxtrot done during the evening.


I dont really call them fans, they are fans of fighting and thats it. Most of them just happen to attach themselves to a certain "crew" from an early age and stick with that.

If Cardiff beat spurs on sunday he would of still went home disappointed he didnt get to dance, i dont how you can call that being a fan.

Green_Martian

Have to say reading the post from the Cardiff fan i was a bit surprised at how well he put his post together............there was no " Yeah yeah we kicked your arses" or "you know you got served"..........compared to some stuff i have read on certain sites, this was actually well thought out and explained the whole situation......not like some muppets claiming they did
"this and that" to "so and so"

the_syco

thebaz wrote:

What a pathetic way to spend your weekends -- they need to take up some form of physical excercise such as actually playing football or rugby or boxing -- instead of watching it, getting pissed , and beating up some unforunates , they can outnumber !
I took a hiding from about 6 or 7 Watford supposed hard men -- somehow i don't think they would be so hard 1 on 1.

The 6 or 7 sound like "yids" got to you. When the firms go head on, they try to have equal numbers, but sometimes a hardcore group may go against a larger mob if they can't organize a proper dance against another firm.

Bateman

the_syco wrote:

The 6 or 7 sound like "yids" got to you. When the firms go head on, they try to have equal numbers, but sometimes a hardcore group may go against a larger mob if they can't organize a proper dance against another firm.

Hence United breaking away from their escort in Everton Valley in 2005. But then of course when the initially brave breakaway get done, they have the perfect excuse; the numbers. :rolleyes:

therecklessone

the_syco wrote:

The 6 or 7 sound like "yids" got to you.

He was done over by Watford...Yids are Spurs, as in Yid Army (our main firm).

jank

Heard there was trouble outside anfield aswell.

Its part of the game thats dying and its always off the field.
If they want to fight on waste ground let them.

The **** that goes on in eastern europe and russia is crazy. Just have a look at you tube.

thebaz

the_syco wrote:

The 6 or 7 sound like "yids" got to you. When the firms go head on, they try to have equal numbers, but sometimes a hardcore group may go against a larger mob if they can't organize a proper dance against another firm.

If it takes 6 or 7 to give someone a brutal kicking , you can call them what you want , but they are cowards to me -- why don't they take there agression out playing real sport -- instead of trying to intimadate whoever gets in the way of there silly grudges

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WHEN ALL THE FLASK CARRYING WAGON JUMPING GIRLFREIND TAKING MUPPETS **** OFF

Fratton Fred

Chucky the tree wrote:

Very interesting post from whoever wrote it. I was expect there was a decent eforrt at the stoke and milwall match.

Unfortunatly this things will never reported due to the small scale of most of the fights in england now a days.

not sure Cardiff fans would appreciate being prt of England:rolleyes:

Cardiff are probably the worst at the moment, in fact, most of the Welsh teams have a pretty active "Crew".

Millwall fans have calmed down a lot and they are mostly decent fans with the exception of few kids who quite like living off someone else's reputation.

iregk

Pure childishness really isn't it. The comments "sure thats whats its all about isn't it" says it all. Actually there is also a football match too if your interested!

I remember once when I think I was 11 going to anfield. At the time I wasn't really aware of the whole yids, headhunters, icf etc... type thing. So I'm standing in the KOP wearing a Chelsea jersey!!! An aul lad with his 2 sons was laughing at me while he sons were roaring abuse in my direction. All the other liverpool heads around started laughing and held me up for the whole game so I could see. For 90mins I was loved by the pool lads in the kop as this little kid who actually had the balls to wear a chelsea jersey. I dred to imagine if I had of been 10 years older what would have happened!

Benedict XVI

Fratton Fred wrote:

not sure Cardiff fans would appreciate being prt of England:rolleyes:

Cardiff are probably the worst at the moment, in fact, most of the Welsh teams have a pretty active "Crew".
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And these wonderful welsh folks are coming to a stadium near you on March 24th.

I'm sure a few lads around Dublin are looking for a dance that weekend.

Garda Síochána get ready

Green_Martian

iregk wrote:

Pure childishness really isn't it. The comments "sure thats whats its all about isn't it" says it all. Actually there is also a football match too if your interested!

I remember once when I think I was 11 going to anfield. At the time I wasn't really aware of the whole yids, headhunters, icf etc... type thing. So I'm standing in the KOP wearing a Chelsea jersey!!! An aul lad with his 2 sons was laughing at me while he sons were roaring abuse in my direction. All the other liverpool heads around started laughing and held me up for the whole game so I could see. For 90mins I was loved by the pool lads in the kop as this little kid who actually had the balls to wear a chelsea jersey. I dred to imagine if I had of been 10 years older what would have happened!

Easy to say you might have had a "Dance" or two with some of that lot if you were a bit older.............no doubt!!!

iregk

Green_Martian wrote:

Easy to say you might have had a "Dance" or two with some of that lot if you were a bit older.............no doubt!!!

I'm quite sure alright that I'd have gotten my head kicked from one side of the kop to the other!!!

Cerdito

Benedict XVI wrote:

I'm sure a few lads around Dublin are looking for a dance that weekend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Oyster_Bar

tbh

therecklessone

iregk wrote:

I'm quite sure alright that I'd have gotten my head kicked from one side of the kop to the other!!!

From what I've heard, in the bad old days you'd have been cut up. The streets around Anfield and Goodison used to be bloodbaths for away fans, sounds like Stanley Park was well named...

Green_Martian

therecklessone wrote:

sounds like Stanley Park was well named...

LOL

iregk

therecklessone wrote:

sounds like Stanley Park was well named...

thats class...:D

thebaz

therecklessone wrote:

From what I've heard, in the bad old days you'd have been cut up. The streets around Anfield and Goodison used to be bloodbaths for away fans, sounds like Stanley Park was well named...

I've criticised Everton support many times, but to be fair , organised football violence is not common at Goodison, yes ther are a few nutters , but in comparison to Man U, Chelsea , West Ham , Leeds or even Spurs the level of organised violence is not much .

therecklessone

thebaz wrote:

I've criticised Everton support many times, but to be fair , organised football violence is not common at Goodison, yes ther are a few nutters , but in comparison to Man U, Chelsea , West Ham , Leeds or even Spurs the level of organised violence is not much .

Not talking about now fella, talking about the bad old days...late 60s into the early 90s...

Clicky

The Everton memoir in this collection of books under review is Andy Nicholls’ Scally. The book is a self-confessed memoir of a ‘Category C Football Hooligan’ and the casual firms that Nicholls, an Everton fan in his early 40s, ‘ran’ with from the late 1970s to the late 1990s. Category C in the UK National Criminal Intelligence Service (Football Section) means violent supporter or organizer of violence.

‘Snorty Forty’ was one of the monikers adopted by Nicholls and his fighting
mates, one of whom tells the story of the notorious ‘County Road Cutters’ (Cutters was a label taken up because of the predilection of this particular Merseyside firm to use stanley knives in hooligan encounters). Nicholls’ book proclaims that for 25 years he was one of the most active hooligans in the country, a leading figure among the violent followers of Everton FC. Like many other authors of the hit and tell genre, Andy Nicholls states that he has turned his back on his violent past, but in both the World Cup 2002 in Japan and Korea, and Euro 2004 in Portugal, UK statutory orders under the Football Offences and Disorder Act 2000 were issued against Nicholls to stop him travelling to the tournaments.

Pool blog so slightly biased

Everton on the other hand did have organised fighting firms the two most prominent calling themselves The County Road Cutters and Kelly's Heroes. The C.R.Cutters could pass off as a major force in British Hooli circles. They may have had some decent clobber that they had bought off Reds, but in the main they wore the uniform of the violent hooligan.

Although a lot of the recent reports from the so called leaders of Hooli Firms can be taken with a pinch of salt. Andy Nichols in his book Scally catalogues a reign of terror by Evertonian's and the County Road Cutters in particular. From slashing the young black boxing hopeful Jobe Henry giving him cuts to his back and upper arms that needed over 200 stitches and finished him off as a boxer, to organising the charge against Southampton at the semi-final of the FA Cup in 1984. If the walls around Highbury had not been robust enough that day who knows there might have been a major fatality a year before Heysel. At that game over 70 were taken to hospital and 100 arrested, it represented one of the blackest days in the history of the FA Cup.. There were many major battles between Everton and rival fans, too many to mention here, I have listed the ones I researched picking out those that stood out from the run of the mill " we legged this lot on this day" that you can find in any of the Hoollie books like Scally.

Nichols talks big in the book but he backs his claims up with photos, press cuttings and clips from accredited sources. Anyone can check the validity of these events by going to any public library. don't buy it, don't give the sod a penny towards his rotten life, it is in the library for free if you have to read it. In Scally he says he was at Heysel acting alone as a tout but he never got involved in the fighting, he must have had a rare day off eh? He slips up later by accusing touts of selling tickets to the ill fated X enclosure where the deaths occurred. He doesn't say if he sold any for that part of the ground.

In that ill fated 1985 season Everton went on to win the European Cup Winners Cup they proudly boast that they behaved exemplary at the final, but what is interesting and hardly gets a mention from The Blues is that in the early round away to Fortuna Sittard Everton officials refused to sell tickets to their fans for the away leg fearing trouble from them.( Toffeeweb) Why if the Evertonian's where whiter than white during that campaign should their club take the unprecedented action of banning them from an away leg? Maybe the away leg to lowly amateurs University College Dublin on the 19th September 1984 gives us a clue. Going over to the game on the B&I ferry M.V.Conacht the Blues trashed the bars and lounges and bust open the locked down duty free stores, the estimated damage minus the loss of the spirits was marked down in thousands of pounds. The captain was a rightly concerned about bringing the same crowd back that evening and after some fighting amongst themselves on the quayside, he called it a night and sailed off leaving a bundle of 60 Bluenoses stranded. Having been drinking all day in Dublin and looking for more liquor the Blues on board the ferry hit the bars once again. After drinking the looted wares an angry mob demanded the boat turn around and pick up their mislaid comrades. The boat did turn around but not on a mercy trip for the lost Blues but to bring on board a small army of the Guardia to protect the innocent passengers and crew who where being terrorised by the drunken mob. The Evertonian's that where left behind where taken on board by the Irish Police, they probably did not want them marauding around the streets of Dublin all night. On arrival at Liverpool docks the local police took control arrests where made and it was a sorry bunch that walked down the dock road for home that morning.

Back then everyone had a firm.

thebaz

therecklessone wrote:

Not talking about now fella, talking about the bad old days...late 60s into the early 90s...
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I have heard about that book , and to me its over blowing the violence to sell -- i've been to everton many times and seen the odd scuffle , but nothing like you would get from West Ham or Milwall or Leeds or Man Utd or Birmingham or Stoke -- Spurs also had a much worse reputation in Europe pre '85 fella !

therecklessone

thebaz wrote:

Spurs also had a much worse reputation in Europe pre '85 fella !

I'm fully aware of Spurs' hoolie history thanks very much, I've had the pleasure of downing a beer or two in the company of many of our more mature fanbase who have a story or two to tell. One of our top boys sits in the same part of WHL as me, and I've had a couple of chats with him as well.

This ain't a game of tit for tat, I'm merely passing on what I've heard from people who were active, or unlucky enough to be on the end of a hiding (or worse) in the past. If you want to prove me wrong, work away...I ain't stopping ya.

I remember my dad telling me after a Spurs/Arsenal game, A spurs fan (on a bus) getting slit across his belly with a stanley. If that wasn't bad enough, there was two blades with a matchstick inbetween, so the vic would have a horrible scar :eek:

Stky10

Reading about the hooligan culture can be pretty interesting actually, in the same way as people rubberneck a car crash, watch traincrash tv etc. Its like the unintentionally funny Football Factories on Bravo where toothless gormless tattoo and shellsuit clad, bottom of the genepool, dregs of society make themselves out to be heroes because occasionally they get into violent encounters with similar idiots.

It would be just coming up to a year ago that me and a work friend were in Liverpool on a saturday night on the way back from a business trip. Anyway, at about 3am slap bang in the city centre we start heading towards our hotel when we passed a bunch of lads going the opposite way. They all paid us no attention except the smallest one of them that went out of his way to kick Pete across the shin trying to start "a dance". Its obvious his approach was "You might beat me, but you won't beat me and me mates". And thats the story of most of those hooligans I've seen. Sad pathetic losers that think they're hard as part of a gang, constantly seeking approval from those they consider to be their peers.

Green_Martian

thebaz wrote:

i've been to everton many times and seen the odd scuffle , but nothing like you would get from West Ham or Milwall or Leeds or Man Utd or Birmingham or Stoke

You won't see any "Dances" going on outside any club now as the Police in England have the upper hand on all these Firms...........

Don't know were you are getting the idea about trouble happening outside any of the teams you mentioned..............

Im a ST holder at United and in all the years of going over i have yet to see much more than a scuffle (handbags at dawn) outside the ground.....nowadays they all meet up far away from the grounds........

Plus i was at Spurs away last season, and prob will this season, and we did not have any problems with the Spurs fans coming out of the ground or walking to the tube station....

There is such a presence of Police all around the ground and also at transport points that nothing can really happen

therecklessone

Green_Martian wrote:

Plus i was at Spurs away last season, and prob will this season, and we did not have any problems with the Spurs fans coming out of the ground or walking to the tube station....

Ironically, you've mentioned two of the PL's top firms (Pompey probably worse than both) and still a trouble free day for the most part. Thats how it works nowadays, its rare for truble to kick off in or near a ground.

Sizzler

I have to say I find the holligan element fascinating but in no way support it. Bit of a spectator I have to admit but I think its the fact that its so underground that keeps me interested. You dont read about it but you know its happening.

Its a load of bollix though, 99% of these clowns are social scum, yeah you have probably seen documentaries on tv where they say "respectable" people are in firms but in my experience its pretty low social classes that engage, the sovereign ring crew etc. Pure gutter material that you wouldnt pi*s on.

I was working in Holland a few yrs back and went to see Holland play England in a friendly and got caught on a train with about 50 goons that were being led by a 40 yr old dickhead in a t shirt and shell suit bottoms (it was about -20 outside!), he had a sovereign on every finger, cockney as they come and all his little crew were no more than 20-23, must have been the entire burberry winter collection in the carriage. They intimidated all the locals on the train even a few grannies and that prick started his anti IRA songs for the whole journey, my blood was at 90degrees for the 15 mins :mad: I wouldnt say their "leader" would last 10 mins in Belfast though, thats the irony!

Green_Martian

Thats what i mean the Police have every angle covered........

So when i bring down our "Red Army" to meet your "Yid Army" we will have to meet somewhere away from the ground..............ha ha ha

The above is a joke so please do NOT ban me............ha ha ha:D:D:D

Sizzler

I remember looking at some Chelsea "fan" site and there was a pic of some tanker standing at the Boyne river near Drogheda with a rangers jersey with a caption below saying something along the lines of 'this is where we defeated the fenians'. WTF has that got to do with Football ?
I wouldnt say that cockney clown would be so brave to hang out his jersey there if a few 'Sinn'ers'from the louth area had have been driving by at the time

Green_Martian

Yeah i have heard about the link between the 2 clubs don't know what its all about though.....afaik the link has been there for years.....

Bateman

There was carnage in Glasgow recently as well when United visited for the Celtic game, loads of little offs outside clubs and pubs around closing time.

Spurs' escort Sunday;

http://www.youtube.com/v/Lp5wR6zPMOY

Green_Martian

That is some escort...........very well organised by the Police.

Yeah heard about one or two scuffles in Glasgow at the Celtic game.there was also one or two down at United.......but nothing major.again "Handbags at dawn" from what i heard:p

thebaz

Green_Martian wrote:

You won't see any "Dances" going on outside any club now as the Police in England have the upper hand on all these Firms...........

Don't know were you are getting the idea about trouble happening outside any of the teams you mentioned..............

Put it this way then, are Everton known for having a strong "Firm" -- the answer i would suggest is -- no -- thankfully .
We do have a few idiots , a few rascists etc etc .. were not perfect .

therecklessone

Sizzler wrote:

Its a load of bollix though, 99% of these clowns are social scum, yeah you have probably seen documentaries on tv where they say "respectable" people are in firms but in my experience its pretty low social classes that engage, the sovereign ring crew etc. Pure gutter material that you wouldnt pi*s on.

I respectfully suggest you've limited experience so.

Various writers employed a variety of names in describing this new class of soccer hooligan. Robins (1984) talked about ‘hardmen' and Williams et al., (1984) about ‘hardcases.' Popplewell (1986), in a government report, further described and acknowledged the emergence of the new hooligan, and Buford (1991) referred to them as ‘superthugs.'

What specifically set these soccer hooligans apart from other hooligans? The popular image of the soccer hooligan in the 1960's and 1970's was still of "tough, badly-dressed yobbos or skinheads, covered in tatoos, usually drunk, from the working classes and unemployed" (Canter, 1989, p. 120). Acts of hooliganism by this old type of soccer hooligan were usually sporadic and random in nature. However, the new superhooligan could be profiled as follows (Keating 1985):

1. These hooligans are usually in their mid to late twenties, sometimes even more than thirty years old.
2. Their involvement in soccer hooliganism has usually endured since their teenage years.
3. They are not necessarily unemployed and some may even have professional jobs or be university students.
4. They may well be married and be family men with mortgages.
5. They often have previous convictions for violence.
6. They may well exhibit good, often innovative, skills in the organization and planning of hooligan activities.
7. They seldom drink alcohol before the game, needing to be alert when fighting.
8. Some keep a record in the form of a diary or scrapbook.

This profile contradicts the old image of soccer hooligans as mainly teenagers, unemployed, or in unskilled jobs, and from the "rough, working class" (Taylor and Ingham, 1978, p. 77).

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Ties in with what I've seen or been told about, very "respectable" members of the community involved at all levels.

therecklessone

Sizzler wrote:

I wouldnt say that cockney clown would be so brave to hang out his jersey there if a few 'Sinn'ers'from the louth area had have been driving by at the time

Cockney = East Londoner.

Chelsea = West London.

Here endeth the lesson.

Fratton Fred

Sizzler wrote:

I remember looking at some Chelsea "fan" site and there was a pic of some tanker standing at the Boyne river near Drogheda with a rangers jersey with a caption below saying something along the lines of 'this is where we defeated the fenians'. WTF has that got to do with Football ?
I wouldnt say that cockney clown would be so brave to hang out his jersey there if a few 'Sinn'ers'from the louth area had have been driving by at the time

Don't underestimate the Head hunters. Chelsea have some psychotic BNP following scum bags following them, although fortunately most of them are pusching zimmer frames now and the decent fans far out weigh the bad ones.

I note Pompey mentioned in anearlier post, yes we have some nutters still, but again they are diminishing in number as they slowly get bred out of the gene pool. We had a real problem back in the day, with the 6:57 crew organising some serious violence (Rolling with the 6:57 is the memoirs).

these guys are not all your average scum bags as well, take a look at this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3693885.stm

btw, for the benefit of Mrjoesoap, I haven't used this as a dig at saints, I think it;s a good example;)

Sizzler

therecklessone wrote:

Cockney = East Londoner.

Chelsea = West London.

Here endeth the lesson.

Wikipedia says

"The term cockney refers to working-class inhabitants of London, particularly east London, and the slang used by these people."

So we'll go 50/50 on that one

Although I dont think theres too many working class punters in west london, although how many chelsea fans are local to the area, fcuk all Id say

Sizzler

therecklessone wrote:

I respectfully suggest you've limited experience so.



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Ties in with what I've seen or been told about, very "respectable" members of the community involved at all levels.

Agreed, my comment was based on my own experience, which was indeed limited and not one Id like to suffer again tbh

Fratton Fred

Sizzler wrote:

Wikipedia says

"The term cockney refers to working-class inhabitants of London, particularly east London, and the slang used by these people."

So we'll go 50/50 on that one

Although I dont think theres too many working class punters in west london, although how many chelsea fans are local to the area, fcuk all Id say

Wikipedia is wrong.

A true cockney must be born within the sound of Bow Bell, the chuch bell of St Mary-Le Bow in cheapsde ie East London, or the East End.

The "Cockney" teams would be West Ham or Leighton Orient.

Anyone not from that area who pretends to be a cockney is termed a "Mockney".