The Dark Sacrement - Exorcism In Modern Ireland

HellFireClub

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/surge-in-satanism-sparks-call-for-more-exorcists-2602112.html

By Nick Squires in Rome

Thursday March 31 2011

A SURGE in Satanism, facilitated by the internet, has led to a sharp rise in the demand for exorcists, the Roman Catholic Church has warned.

Fr Gabriele Amorth, the Vatican's chief exorcist, also claimed that sex abuse scandals involving the Catholic Church were proof that Satan was "waging a war against the Holy See".

The internet has made it easier than ever to access information on Devil-worshipping and the occult, experts said.

Exorcism is the subject of a six-day conference being held this week at the Regina Apostolorum Pontifical University in Rome, which is under the Vatican's authority.

"The internet makes it much easier than in the past to find information about Satanism," said Carlo Climati, a member of the university who specialises in Satanism and young people.

"In just a few minutes you can contact Satanist groups and research occultism.

"The conference is not about how to become an exorcist, it's to share information about exorcism, Satanism and sects. There is a particular risk for young people who are in difficulties or who are emotionally fragile," he said.

The object of the seminars was to scrutinise Satanism with "seriousness and scientific rigour", avoiding a "superficial or sensational approach", he added. The conference in Rome has brought together more than 60 Catholic clergy as well as doctors, psychologists, psychiatrists, and teachers.

In theory, any priest can perform an exorcism -- a rite involving prayers to drive the Devil out of the person said to be possessed. But Vatican officials said three years ago that parish priests should call in professional exorcists if they suspected a parishioner needed purging of evil.

An exorcist should be called when "the moral certainty has been reached that the person is possessed", said the Fr Gabriele Nanni, a member of the Vatican's congregation for the causes of saints.

He said that the indications could include radical and disturbing changes in the person's behaviour and voice, or an ability to garble in foreign languages or nonsensical gibberish.

Fr Gabriele Amorth said people who are possessed by Satan vomit shards of glass and pieces of iron, scream, dribble and slobber. He added that Pope Benedict XVI believed "wholeheartedly" in the practice of exorcism. ( © Daily Telegraph, London)

Gillo

I read it at the end of last year, christ on a bike, it was one of the best books I've read in quite a while. Scared the crap out of me but TBH I think thats part of the attraction to me of the whole area.

Someone else mentioned "Haunted Women" by one of the co-authors, again a good read although less hard hitting in my opinion.

I'll have to check out "Hostage to the Devil".

6th

The movie The Rite is incredible too and handles the subject very well.

Guitar_Monkey

The Rite is quite good. I really enjoyed it. There's one glaring fault in the exorcism that annoyed me though...considering they got a lot of other stuff right. The young priest challanges the demon in his name. That is something that is never done. The demon must be challanged using the authority and name of Jesus. Other then that, good stuff though. Didn't know the actor playing the young priest was irish either, until i saw him on the Late Late Show !
You should definately check out Hostage To The Devil. It's a little sensationalist, but very entertaining....gives a good insight into the ritual too. The prayers of exorcism are included in the back of the book too.

pandabrian

"Hostage to the Devil" is a great book on exorcism, written by the famous Catholic informer Malachi Martin..check it out:)

faceman

I didn't like Hostage Of The Devil. Found it to be a bit sensational. Even people close to Martin have doubt about some of his stories

The Rite as a book was fantastic. The movie was awful although to be expected. It ignored much from the book and broke one of the main rules of the exorcism ritual which served as the redemption for the young priest. It made no sense that he found himself by conquering the demon rather than finding God which was his whole dilemma, the lack of faith. I'd love to have seen Ciaran Hinds in Hopkins' role.

The Dark Sacrement is an enjoyable read, although I preferred The Rite. I would have like to have read more about the blessings/cleansing/exorcisms themselves.

Gillo

Just ordered Hostage to the Devil on Amazon, the author seems to have written a number of books all of which seem to be "expose's" on some aspect of the Catholic church so I'll be reading it with an open mind.

Just curious if any regular posters here have witnessed one and what their thoughts of it were.

Guitar_Monkey

Gillo wrote: »

Just ordered Hostage to the Devil on Amazon, the author seems to have written a number of books all of which seem to be "expose's" on some aspect of the Catholic church so I'll be reading it with an open mind.

Just curious if any regular posters here have witnessed one and what their thoughts of it were.

Hi Gillo...
It is a bit sensationalist.....but it's very entertaining and gives a good insight into the rite of Exorcism. Havn't read any of his other books though.

Tomk1

Fuinseog wrote: »

what is this thread actually about? It seems to have degenerated into sectarian Catholic bashing. Those who have read the book in question will know that Protestant ministers also were involved in exorcisms.

Exorcisms are predominantly linked to the CCL, therefore a talk on exorcisms will include the CCL, if the point was that exorcisms are good, therefore good for the CCL, you would have no problem with that. The fact that many people find exorcisms something from the dark ages and the fact that the CCL believes they provide some kind of supernatural magic service, brings the CCL into open criticism.

Your attack on what Portia 27 said was uncalled for.

Fuinseog wrote: »

the message of the book seems to be that there is evil in many forms out there and it seems to be increasing in our secular society.

Yeah really show me the stats for each decade for the last 2,000 years. keeping in mind that in a suppressed society, how can you tell fact from fable.

HellFireClub wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/surge-in-satanism-sparks-call-for-more-exorcists-2602112.html

By Nick Squires in Rome

Thursday March 31 2011

A SURGE in Satanism, facilitated by the internet, has led to a sharp rise in the demand for exorcists, the Roman Catholic Church has warned.

Fr Gabriele Amorth, the Vatican's chief exorcist, also claimed that sex abuse scandals involving the Catholic Church were proof that Satan was "waging a war against the Holy See".
( © Daily Telegraph, London)

Maybe they what to start exorcism of more innocent children to stop them from tempting gods-holy-soldiers

neiliog93

I knew a guy who'd been exorcised. He was a member of some weird cult that involved animal sacrifices, Really dark and satanic.

Anyway, he began to hear voices in his head constantly, evil voices, that tormented him - demons. He couldn't sleep - they put horrendous images in his head and told him to do awful things, and that they'd leave him alone if he did. Sounds crazy - but this only started happening after he used the ouija board. Either something shifted in his head psychologically or he was possessed, or at least tormented. His behaviour became erratic, and more tempermental.

He had an old Christian friend, and contacted him in desperation (his fellow cult members offering no solution). After nearly two days of solid praying and reciting of bible passages, the evil spirits left him in terror. He's deeply scarred emotionally, but perfectly sane now.

I know he wasn't lying, but it is possible everything was merely a huge placebo effect. I actually can't make my own mind up, but I'm inclined to believe him - how can be he perfectly stable now?

pandabrian

@Tomk1

CCL?

maccored

heres hoping the 'demons everywhere' syndrome doesnt kick in over here. its at ridiculous levels in the states. As I mentioned before, I found that book to be religious propaganda more than anything else.

pandabrian

Just started re-reading "Hostage to the Devil"..excellent read:)

Fuinseog

maccored wrote: »

heres hoping the 'demons everywhere' syndrome doesnt kick in over here. its at ridiculous levels in the states. As I mentioned before, I found that book to be religious propaganda more than anything else.

Demons are everywhere.

maccored

they are obviously very good at hiding then.

Fuinseog

maccored wrote: »

they are obviously very good at hiding then.

how do you define a demon?

maccored

you tell me - you're the one saying they're everywhere

Fuinseog

I am not sure if it is work my while. I embrace Christian values and beliefs, while you do not. You have your opinion and I have mine and never the twains shall meet.

maccored

thats rather presumptuous of you - are you a mind reader as well?

Reading between the lines of The Dark Sacrament seems to say that people dont do bad things, its the demons that do bad things. Kind of removing the blame and putting it on demons rather than humans. I think thats a bit of a copout to be honest.

Gillo

I think what it would be a lot more accurate is possessed people do bad things, people in general do bad things for an number of reasons. From what I remember reading The Dark Sacrement, the majority of possessed people weren't doing bad things to other people where were the victims of the bad things happening to them, there was one case in it were a youngish boy was possessed and was acting the pr!ck to his sister and mother but he seemed to be the exception rather than the rule.

With regards to "Hostage to the devil", after the "fire & brimstone" introduction it's a great read, unlike "The Dark Sacrement" it paints a much better picture of both the victim's and the excorist's. Definelty a great read.

maccored

same thing though - blame it on possession rather than on the people. l ike the pedo priest in it - wasnt his fault, it was the devils apparently. thats really dangerous thinking.

Gillo

A similiar excuse being I was drunk I didn't know what I was doing?

I haven't got as far as the pedo priest so can't comment on that particular case, but I'd be very sceptical of anyone blaming possession as an excuse for acting like a dick, as a get out clause it just sounds stupid. I suppose the first question to ask is "does one believe in possession?", how that is answered really affects the rest of someones view point on the subject. For my part yes I do believe that it could be a real occurance, and excorisms have been shown to bring about drastic changes in individuals behaviour's, there's a part of me wonders if it may just be a plecebo (sp?) effect but how does that then explain certain aspects of posession eg. people having knowledge of things which there is no way they could no (the first case in "Hostage to the devil" where Marianne refers to the priests previous sexual history (this relates to well before the priest joined a seminary to study as a priest).

TryItMyWay

Portia 27 wrote: »

There must be a record kept because the men in dresses came for my daughter too age 3 weeks-

If you are going to make up stories try and at least make them credible.

To me your postings seem not to be true.

No one came for your daughter at three weeks old.

That you feel the need to even assert this means to me

a)A you are psychotic and your daughter was removed into care, somehow you blame the Catholic Church for this though it would have been done by the HSE. If that is the case can you tell us what reasons the HSE gave for the serious action of removing a new born infant to care, do you for instance take trugs or have a diagnosed history of mental illness
b)You have zero understanding of the Catholic Church in Ireland and did not grow up within it. Otherwise you would be fully aware of how incomprehensible and inconsistent your postings seem, even to those who inderstand when and how abuse can take place you seem fantastical and the web site you reference in your postings are full of fringe lunatic, paranoid conspiracy and jumbled up occultism.
c)I choose not to believe you because my insight let's be know you are a liar. It is however important that you are seeking to incite others to believe falsehoods. If your claims were even marginally true, especially in relation to the kidnapping of your daughter at three weeks old then your story would be making headlines in Ireland and possibly globally. However it won;t because it is a pack of lies and making annnoymous sectarian claims via the internet does not in any way prrove a word you are saying.

There is support available for survivors of abuse and legal remedy in both civil and criminal prosecution. In a climate where the governement and vatican are openly hostile you should have no trouble getting justice except you won't because the events you describe did not happen.

As I say the sites you reference are lunatic fringe to put it mildly and I wish you the best of good luck in treating your mental health.

Try not to be so full of hate and invent reasons for it.

thebullkf

TryItMyWay wrote: »

If you are going to make up stories try and at least make them credible.

To me your postings seem not to be true.

No one came for your daughter at three weeks old.

That you feel the need to even assert this means to me

a)A you are psychotic and your daughter was removed into care, somehow you blame the Catholic Church for this though it would have been done by the HSE. If that is the case can you tell us what reasons the HSE gave for the serious action of removing a new born infant to care, do you for instance take trugs or have a diagnosed history of mental illness
b)You have zero understanding of the Catholic Church in Ireland and did not grow up within it. Otherwise you would be fully aware of how incomprehensible and inconsistent your postings seem, even to those who inderstand when and how abuse can take place you seem fantastical and the web site you reference in your postings are full of fringe lunatic, paranoid conspiracy and jumbled up occultism.
c)I choose not to believe you because my insight let's be know you are a liar. It is however important that you are seeking to incite others to believe falsehoods. If your claims were even marginally true, especially in relation to the kidnapping of your daughter at three weeks old then your story would be making headlines in Ireland and possibly globally. However it won;t because it is a pack of lies and making annnoymous sectarian claims via the internet does not in any way prrove a word you are saying.

There is support available for survivors of abuse and legal remedy in both civil and criminal prosecution. In a climate where the governement and vatican are openly hostile you should have no trouble getting justice except you won't because the events you describe did not happen.

As I say the sites you reference are lunatic fringe to put it mildly and I wish you the best of good luck in treating your mental health.

Try not to be so full of hate and invent reasons for it.

No need for some of your comments tbh..

Portia 27

TryItMyWay wrote: »

If you are going to make up stories try and at least make them credible.

To me your postings seem not to be true.

No one came for your daughter at three weeks old.

That you feel the need to even assert this means to me

a)A you are psychotic and your daughter was removed into care, somehow you blame the Catholic Church for this though it would have been done by the HSE. If that is the case can you tell us what reasons the HSE gave for the serious action of removing a new born infant to care, do you for instance take trugs or have a diagnosed history of mental illness
b)You have zero understanding of the Catholic Church in Ireland and did not grow up within it. Otherwise you would be fully aware of how incomprehensible and inconsistent your postings seem, even to those who inderstand when and how abuse can take place you seem fantastical and the web site you reference in your postings are full of fringe lunatic, paranoid conspiracy and jumbled up occultism.
c)I choose not to believe you because my insight let's be know you are a liar. It is however important that you are seeking to incite others to believe falsehoods. If your claims were even marginally true, especially in relation to the kidnapping of your daughter at three weeks old then your story would be making headlines in Ireland and possibly globally. However it won;t because it is a pack of lies and making annnoymous sectarian claims via the internet does not in any way prrove a word you are saying.

There is support available for survivors of abuse and legal remedy in both civil and criminal prosecution. In a climate where the governement and vatican are openly hostile you should have no trouble getting justice except you won't because the events you describe did not happen.

As I say the sites you reference are lunatic fringe to put it mildly and I wish you the best of good luck in treating your mental health.

Try not to be so full of hate and invent reasons for it.

Just to clarify, my daughter was never removed by HSE.

Also, if you knew the law, you would know that the in camera rule would prevent this story being in the media when my daughter was a baby.

I have been to support group re this matter and it is described by professionals as ritual abuse.

You are free to believe anything you choose- you have free will.

Sadly, you are mirroring your true self onto me here.

I do not wish to seek compensation.

As any solicitor will tell you, there is no justice in Eire.

The fact is I did grow up in Eire- so no idea where you got idea from.

I taught Gaeilge in various schools in Eire too.

Please get your facts right before commencing to speak.

Now you know your "insight" needs retuning.

I challenge you to the lie detector test .

It is adults like you - disbelieving children that have allowed child rapists and abusers to continue abusing others.

You clearly support the men of"god" Maloch which you are free to do of course.

In law, you have no right to diagnose me with a mental illness- you have not met me, assessed me.

"A psychiatrist is a medical doctor that specialises in mental health. Psychiatrists are responsible for the medical care of psychiatric patients (medication, physical symptoms, etc.) and are also involved in counselling. "

Wishing you a wonderful day.

Portia 27

thebullkf wrote: »

No need for some of your comments tbh..

Thank you. TGH clearly has unresolved issues.

TryItMyWay

Portia 27 wrote: »

TryItMyWay wrote: »

If you are going to make up stories try and at least make them credible.

To me your postings seem not to be true.

No one came for your daughter at three weeks old.

That you feel the need to even assert this means to me

a)A you are psychotic and your daughter was removed into care, somehow you blame the Catholic Church for this though it would have been done by the HSE. If that is the case can you tell us what reasons the HSE gave for the serious action of removing a new born infant to care, do you for instance take trugs or have a diagnosed history of mental illness
b)You have zero understanding of the Catholic Church in Ireland and did not grow up within it. Otherwise you would be fully aware of how incomprehensible and inconsistent your postings seem, even to those who inderstand when and how abuse can take place you seem fantastical and the web site you reference in your postings are full of fringe lunatic, paranoid conspiracy and jumbled up occultism.
c)I choose not to believe you because my insight let's be know you are a liar. It is however important that you are seeking to incite others to believe falsehoods. If your claims were even marginally true, especially in relation to the kidnapping of your daughter at three weeks old then your story would be making headlines in Ireland and possibly globally. However it won;t because it is a pack of lies and making annnoymous sectarian claims via the internet does not in any way prrove a word you are saying.

There is support available for survivors of abuse and legal remedy in both civil and criminal prosecution. In a climate where the governement and vatican are openly hostile you should have no trouble getting justice except you won't because the events you describe did not happen.

As I say the sites you reference are lunatic fringe to put it mildly and I wish you the best of good luck in treating your mental health.

Try not to be so full of hate and invent reasons for it.

Just to clarify, my daughter was never removed by HSE.

Also, if you knew the law, you would know that the in camera rule would prevent this story being in the media when my daughter was a baby.

I have been to support group re this matter and it is described by professionals as ritual abuse.

You are free to believe anything you choose- you have free will.

Sadly, you are mirroring your true self onto me here.

I do not wish to seek compensation.

As any solicitor will tell you, there is no justice in Eire.

The fact is I did grow up in Eire- so no idea where you got idea from.

I taught Gaeilge in various schools in Eire too.

Please get your facts right before commencing to speak.

Now you know your "insight" needs retuning.

I challenge you to the lie detector test .

It is adults like you - disbelieving children that have allowed child rapists and abusers to continue abusing others.

You clearly support the men of"god" Maloch which you are free to do of course.

In law, you have no right to diagnose me with a mental illness- you have not met me, assessed me.

"A psychiatrist is a medical doctor that specialises in mental health. Psychiatrists are responsible for the medical care of psychiatric patients (medication, physical symptoms, etc.) and are also involved in counselling. "

Wishing you a wonderful day.

You come across as nuts to me. You can censor that all you like. Nothing you say regarding the law or the RC church is true and your ravings are an insult to genuine survivors of abuse.

Wolfe Tone

I can't believe some people took Portia27 seriously.

TryItMyWay

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I can't believe some people took Portia27 seriously.

Hey I got a slap from a moderator for stating I thought she was nuts.

Free speech huh? You can say anything you like but the blindingly obvious. Check out the web sites she has in her earlier posts.

How do you feel about aliens Portia?

Were the 'men I'm skirts' who came to steal your baby Vatican albino assassin monks?

Was Elizabeth the first, Catherine the great and Margret thatcher all part of the patriarchal global conspiracy to suppress new age hokum makey uppy stuff to?

If you were exorcisted name the Priest.

Otherwise I call you a liar.

TryItMyWay

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I can't believe some people took Portia27 seriously.

Hey I got a slap from a moderator for stating I thought she was nuts.

Free speech huh? You can say anything you like but the blindingly obvious. Check out the web sites she has in her earlier posts.

How do you feel about aliens Portia?

Were the 'men in skirts' who came to steal your baby Vatican albino assassin monks?

Was Elizabeth the first, Catherine the great and Margret thatcher all part of the patriarchal global conspiracy to suppress new age hokum makey uppy stuff to?

If you were exorcisted name the Priest.

Otherwise I call you a liar.