No Mods looking after the Darts Forum

Talliesin

Well, while people can be that stupid, I was thinking more of someone doing it to act the bollix.

The Rooster

6th wrote:

Ok so should people follow his example and instead of reporting posts they should start a feedback thread?

By all means start a thread to see about getting a mod but not at the cost of ignoring the report post function.

FFS - the thread reminded him that we need an active darts mod, so he went straight to feedback to ask for one. He didnt go back to report the thread as it was locked shortly afterwards. Yes, he probably should have reported first and feedback second. But christ, given the thread got locked minutes later it wasnt a big deal.

Amazed the obstacles people are trying to put up to prevent this. As if there is the remotest chance of "something going wrong" if Kingp35 is appointed.

Although from Talliesin's recent comment:

Anyone who thinks it will be funny to respond to 6ths suggestion as if it wasn't rhetorical and start using Feedback as a place to report posts will find themselves unable to post in Feedback.

Its clear what mindset he has

Anyway from my perspective I think that all that needs to be said has been said (and a lot more besides) so I look forward to the decision.

cast_iron

Talliesin wrote:

Sorry. We sorted out his problem for him despite his lack of co-operation in seeing such problems sorted, so he did well?

In "lack of co-operation", I assume you mean not reporting posts. I think you are taking things slightly out of context - do you really thinks he was trying not to co-operate?
For him, to have met his ends, he probably did well. Personally, I didn't see the posts as a huge problem, so whether he did well or not in that respect is largely irrelevant to me.

Talliesin

The Rooster wrote:

Although from Talliesin's recent comment:

Its clear what mindset he has

That I have a mindset that thinks that if someone deliberately does something to make a nuisance of themselves they should be prevented from doing so isn't something I'll deny.

cast_iron wrote:

For him, to have met his ends, he probably did well.

That's grand up until the point that someone suggests they should be a moderator though. People making more messes aren't good janitors.

The Rooster

I have to admit you would make a great janitor in a school of little children. Presumably what makes you such a great mod. Prevention, prevention, prevention. Presedential. Everyone's a potential troublemaker. No rope. It'd be chaos around here without the janitor.

Talliesin

No, and that's why the majority of users rarely get banned. Part of what I do though is dealing with the exceptions.

This forum is not a relatively quiet and very actively moderated forum like Darts or a very busy but extremely actively moderated forum like soccer, and due to its nature it attracts a much larger percentage of people who are just acting the bollix than probably any other forum (though soccer was certainly one of the worse before the entry rules were put into place). Also due to its nature we tend to give a greater degree of leeway to people acting the bollix here, but now if any such person sees 6th's post and thinks it would be funny to search for objectionable posts and start a thread here to report them, they can't say they haven't been warned.

The Rooster wrote:

It'd be chaos around here without the janitor.

Here's a list of 18 consequtive threads in the Mythology forum:

fort Thread deleted by çrash_000

I love to watch my money grow. Thread deleted by Beruthiel Reason: spam

Cheapest shops selling soma, tramadol Thread deleted by LoLth Reason: spam

Is wanting to be popular a bad thing? Thread deleted by seamus Reason: Spam

Who wants to learn... Thread deleted by seamus Reason: Spam

Better than others. Thread deleted by hullaballoo Reason: Spam.

Odin

New Crack Lab! Thread deleted by Beruthiel Reason: spam

Web-masters DREAM Thread deleted by çrash_000 Reason: spam

North Korea vs Australia - nuclear stress Thread deleted by çrash_000 Reason: spam

Interesting article about Osama Bin Laden Thread deleted by Beruthiel Reason: spam

free casino... Thread deleted by Talliesin Reason: Spam

Help printer-toner Thread deleted by Talliesin Reason: Spam

Mythology in Film

Pooka's

What is with that hair style? Thread deleted by Talliesin Reason: Spam

buy fioricet online buy adipex online Thread deleted by LoLth Reason: schpam!

Dollar is going to rise! Thread deleted by Talliesin Reason: Virus (don't follow the link if you view this).

Three actual real threads, one thread where the post consisted of "does..?" (I think the user started, couldn't quite work out what they meant to say, and therefore left a nonsense post), one link to a virus that could infect the machines of the unwary, and 13 adverts probably posted by scripts rather than real users.

Some forums get hit with this sort of thing a lot more than others. Mythology is the worse of the ones that don't allow unregistered posting. PI and LGB often have over a dozen identical moderated posts in a row containing pornographic Spam, and that dozen is even with them being regularly permanently deleted (so that even mods can't see them).

Without the janitors it wouldn't be chaos, but it would be a hell of a mess.

That's what the moderators do. The deal with the mess or the sources of the mess. It's mostly not very hard because it's mostly doesn't involve much more than a few button-clicks. 90-99% (depending on forum) of what a moderator does is extremely clear-cut. It's only the 10-1% (depending on forum) where someone could make a reasonable call either way that's at all difficult, not in itself so much as in the fact that moderators want to see the forums do well and therefore tend not to be happy about either the decision that could lead to disruption of that forum on the one hand or could lead to a curtailing of anyone's enjoyment of it on the other. A bad moderators would see those 10-1% all over the place and feel the need to do something that involves their moderation all the time. If I'm actually using boards I normally spend less than 1% of my time moderating (if I'm not because I'm busy or not in the mood for boards I will still tend to respond to reported posts and PMs).

Many of the smaller forums can be quite adequtely moderated without the moderator(s) doing a single thing that only a moderator can do for months on end.

Anything else they do they do because they tend to be helpful posters and/or expert posters in at least a couple of forums, but they would be that anyway if they weren't moderators. All the forums I moderate directly (Paganism and Sex & Sexuality - my resigning from Religion / Spirituality and taking just Paganism again seems to be stuck in a queue) have users that do those other things just as well, if not better, than I do. A moderator only needs to be a helpful and expert poster when a forum is new and doesn't already have any so someone needs to get the ball rolling.

Firewalkwithme

Talliesin wrote:

blah blah blah....

Damn you really want to have the last word don't you?

Well go on then....

Carcharodon

I find it quite disturbing the way Talliesen and others have managed to bully Kingp35 out of being a mod on the Dart forum.
It was Dev that started the thread in the Dart forum, for which he wanted self nominations and nominations of others, Kingp35 suggested himself or Rooster would do a good job and this was supported by other posters on that forum.
Talliesen, a person that probably has no interest in that Forum, decides to criticise Kingp35 and discredit him because he started a thread in Feedback instead of reporting a post, big deal - get over it.
Then Talliesen nominates a mate for moderator :rolleyes: , would it not make more sense to have a mod that has an interest and knowledge of the subject of the forum as it is with many of the forums on Boards I believe.....

Talliesin

Carcharodon wrote:

I find it quite disturbing the way Talliesen and others have managed to bully Kingp35 out of being a mod on the Dart forum.

Where?

Carcharodon wrote:

Talliesen, a person that probably has no interest in that Forum,

I've an interest in seeing all forums on this site moderated well. It was a discussion about moderation, not darts.

Carcharodon wrote:

decides to criticise Kingp35 and discredit him because he started a thread in Feedback instead of reporting a post

As I said, it was a discussion about moderation, not darts.

Carcharodon wrote:

Then Talliesen nominates a mate for moderator :rolleyes:

Really? Who did I nominate?

Carcharodon wrote:

would it not make more sense to have a mod that has an interest and knowledge of the subject of the forum as it is with many of the forums on Boards I believe.

As long as they're a good mod, since despite the increased risk of bias this means they're more likely to be motivated to keep modding.

Beruthiel

Talliesen, a person that probably has no interest in that Forum, decides to criticise Kingp35 and discredit him because he started a thread in Feedback instead of reporting a post, big deal - get over it.

Talliesin was mearly pointing out that the type of person who would make a good Mod is one who has been reporting posts when needed. It shows that this person has some idea of how a forum should be run, the person has some idea of proceedure.
Talking to the catmod and asking if she needed help for instance.
If Amz needed help then she would have asked for it in the Mod Forum. That's her job and she does it well.
It is up to the people posting in a particular forum to keep it the way they want by reporting when something is amiss.
Do you think I read every single comment/thread in PI?
I'd never get anything done. I look at threads that look dodgy or are reported by the regular posters as they know the deal. Then it's dealt with.

Then Talliesen nominates a mate for moderator :rolleyes:

A mate?

would it not make more sense to have a mod that has an interest and knowledge of the subject of the forum as it is with many of the forums on Boards I believe.....

And many forums have Mods with no particular interest.

As Talliesin has already said, that is not the first requirement when an Admin appoints a Mod.
Janitor's don't have to have a particular interest in brooms in order to sweep up do they?

6th

A good mod should be able to distance themselves from the posters in a forum. I dont see how a regular poster in a relatively tight knit forum could do that so I think someone who has shown themselves to be a good mod should do this job for a while at least.

Amz is currently doing exams so I dont see why Tallisien cant keep an eye on it for a couple of weeks and then let Amz go back to actively modding the forum. If problems arise on the forum then report the offending posts.

Tallisiens dead right, this isnt about darts its about modding.

Asiaprod

6th wrote:

Tallisiens dead right, this isnt about darts its about modding.

Bulls-eye, as the mod said.

Talliesin

6th wrote:

A good mod should be able to distance themselves from the posters in a forum. I dont see how a regular poster in a relatively tight knit forum could do that so I think someone who has shown themselves to be a good mod should do this job for a while at least.

In fairness, I think that some people that would match that description can be (and are) very good moderators. It can make things trickier though. The only time I'd be cautious about someone moderating a forum because it was one of those relatively tight knit ones is that people that tend to stick to just those forums tend to have a poor understanding of moderation compared with people who use a variety of boards including very busy and very light ones and ones (e.g. PI) with reasons for having particularly strict rules, especially since moderation on those forums is largely invisible unless a passionate discussion crosses the line into an abusive flamewar.

Could be even worse though if they only knew politics and PI and thought the kind of heavy moderation needed there was a good idea everywhere. If a thread in PI runs its course and turns into a chat it gets locked or people get warned or banned, because that's contrary to what the forum is meant to do, but in a smaller tight-knit forum locking that thread would prevent the normal communication between people that are part of the friendly clique that makes that forum work so as long as the chatting isn't preventing a pertinent discussion from continuing it should probably be left alone.

I'd actually lay good money that Kingp35 would be good at dealing with that tendency towards bias. If I start to suspect he's figured out what it is that moderators do and he wants the job I'll probably support him.

I'm still thinking that what Kingp35 actually wants done is a bunch of other stuff, ironically way cooler than anything a mod does qua mod, that is unrelated to being a mod. Mods do tend to be the people that do similar things around here, but mods do tend to be the most involved people in boards.ie generally.

6th wrote:

Amz is currently doing exams so I dont see why Tallisien cant keep an eye on it for a couple of weeks and then let Amz go back to actively modding the forum. If problems arise on the forum then report the offending posts.

Amz is keeping an eye on things in any case, though nowhere near as actively as she normally moderates her forums (which is very actively indeed). You're right though that all the s-mods know that she's busy and if a post is reported in any Sports forum it will be looked at. Still there are s-mods that have more of an interest in sports than me (i.e. probably all of the other s-mods have more of an interest in sports than me) and given the motivation factor mentioned above it's hence more likely that another s-mod will react before I do (Spam is spam though, sometimes I don't even see what forum its in when I deal with that).

ANXIOUS

i have no intrest in this forum or the darts one. Having read all the posts i think Tallisiens should not reply any more, having read his posts i feel he is acting like a child always having to get the last word in. king was just sugguesting something and everyone bit his head off.

6th

If you've no interest then keep out, you clearly havent a clue.

Carcharodon

Its our party and we will cry if we want to - its always the usual suspects on here backing each other up and engaging in playground behaviour.
I am not going to bother quoting each part of your posts cos its not worth it to be honest but it is quite clear in my eyes that you have certain bullying traits in you.
The simple fact is that you dont think Kingp35 should be a mod cos he made one mistake, i feel this is not enough information to base your decision on, i nominated him cos i have always found he's posts useful and helpful and doesn't have a big head like some people.
Whether or not a person that is interested in Darts should be a mod is an personal opinion i suppose, maybe all mods that have expert knowledge in the forums they mod should stop moding that forum....
Kingp35 is a good poster and would make a good mod, he would also be able to put up the odd sticky relating to darts, i understand a mods job is to clean up and keep things on track but surely they can do both.

Why compare PI with Darts Bruithel ? thats just stupid, you are trying too hard to impress people with your posts
I appologise if i was wrong in saying you nominated a mate but i thought you suggested Boston

Carcharodon

6th wrote:

If you've no interest then keep out, you clearly havent a clue.

What interest do you have in the Darts forum by the way.

Does Anwious not have the right to post here, like yourself ??

Beruthiel

Carcharodon wrote:

Why compare PI with Darts Bruithel ?

Because a Mod is a Mod, whither it's PI or Darts, we are discussing moderation in this thread no?

thats just stupid

Perhaps you can explain what you mean by that?

you are trying too hard to impress people with your posts

I'm not here to impress anyone, nor do I care whither they are impressed or not.
What that has to do with the price of turnips is beyond me

PhilipMarlowe

To be a good mod, maybe you need to be a couple of things -

1. Long winded - I thought Talliesin's post on the Darts forum was long until I read her one here. 1200+ words isn't making a point (or 10), it's a short story...
2. Ignore comments like "It's a fat knacker sport..." when they are made by a subscriber

Carcharodon

Beruthiel wrote:

Because a Mod is a Mod, whither it's PI or Darts, we are discussing moderation in this thread no?

Thread title = "No Mods Looking After Darts Forum"

Beruthiel wrote:

Perhaps you can explain what you mean by that?

Dont see how your mod style on one of the most used forums on Boards has relevance on the Darts forum

Beruthiel

Carcharodon wrote:

Dont see how your mod style on one of the most used forums on Boards has relevance on the Darts forum

There's your problem right there then. The fact that you just don't get it.

Kingp35

Talliesin, you have actually made some good points in your last post about experience of moderation. Personally I do have experience in moderation in that the board I post on the most and the board that made me join Boards is the soccer board. I have been a member since 2003 so I was posting while all the hassle in that board was going on and the whole sponsorship thing etc that had to be set up. I also know that the mods on soccer are given a very hard time by alot of posters about how they act but I think they do a very good job modding a forum that can get very passionate at times.

Again though I think the Darts board would be very different to soccer due to the fact that there isnt as much posts obviously, people may disagree on some things but most darst fans dont support ant particular player so it wouldnt be as passionate, but there will still be occasions when things get out of hand and moderation is needed.

As was said, I guess its a personal opinion on whether having a keen interest in the forum your moderating is a good thing. I kind of look on a mod as the controller of that forum, the knowledgable person with good experience in the subject that he is moderating. I would imagine that most of the mods on Boards would fit in this category. I can also understood some of your points about a mod not necessarily having to be an expert in the sunject they mod, in that they can take a step back and view the board purely on a moderation basis. Thats well and good but if a mod can moderate a board without Bias towards the subject they moderate (if that makes sense) then I feel that a moderator who is also an expert in the subject they mod is definitely the best kind of mod.

I never envisaged this thread would throw up such debate among peolpe and get so passionate. Still though I suppose its best to take all points into consideration.

The Sweeper

Just passing, so decided to throw my two cents in. I haven't been keeping up with this thread, so I've read it start to finish with no preconceptions.

1. Kingp35 posts on Feedback to say the Darts form isn't being modded properly.
2. A few people agree and suggest Kingp35 be made a mod, because he contributes.
3. oscarbravo suggests they use the report the post function in the meantime
4. DeV intervenes and says he'll look at the mod selection process shortly.

The thread could conceivably have ended there. There didn't really need to be anything else thrown in. However:

1. Talliesin takes a pot shot Kingp35, saying if he can't report a post then he isn't really mod material. He has a short spat on the thread on this issue. Then he withdraws his dummy spit and says let's all play nicely.
2. At this point Amz intervenes, having taken it personally that Kingp35 has basically said she isn't doing her job, and she points out that he should be using the 'report post' button if he has a problem. She also rightly points out that she has a life, and if users aren't using the 'report post' function, it doesn't help their cause or hers.

This reawakens the argument.

There follows 51 further posts of 'lastwordism' that do little or nothing for the credibility of the Feedback Forum as a venue for users' feedback.

Kingp35 never said he wanted to be a mod. He never suggested anyone choose him. He simply said he'd give it a go after someone else nominated him. Frankly I've seen less far elegant scrambles for power among existing moderators when a space in a forum opens up.

Threads like this just add to the user feeling that the mods think "it's not often you're right, but you're wrong again".

Carcharodon

Beruthiel wrote:

There's your problem right there then. The fact that you just don't get it.

Yes, you are obviously so right as always :rolleyes:

Yes, I know a mod is a mod, is a mod, is a mod no matter what forum they are on but this thread states that a mod for darts could be advantagous for users of the forum( maybe..). Some people think as i do that a person that has a knowledge of Darts would be better, thats a matter of opinion, of which i am sure you know your right probably.
Kingp35 for mod!! Whats the big deal with that, its not that big a deal to be honest, its only being a mod not electing him president or anything.
If the majority want him as mod, why feel the need to object. I dont see how this can effect you so much.

Faith

Oh for crying out loud. I've been reading this thread from the start. I understand where Talliesin is coming from, and agree with him to a large extent, but this is getting out of hand. Darts is a small, pretty self contained forum. Whoever mods it will not have a lot to do. It's not like we're taking nominations for SMods here. Why not just assign Kingp as mod for a trial period, and see how he gets on?

It's unlikely that he will cause the destruction of the Darts board if he makes a mistake as mod. If he doesn't work out, he can be removed, and Amz is there to make sure he's doing a decent job.

Mountain out of a molehill, IMO.

6th

I have a great interest in Darts, I lurk the forum but have played in competition myself (not alot of people here know that )

But coming in just to admit you have no interest in either forum and call someone childish doesnt paint a great picture now does it.

BigCon

*
Dev - You've got the time it takes the board to revolve to decide.

You've hit 'darts', and the category's gone.

"Moooo" Kingp35 - I'm afraid you've been 'Bully'd' out.
Oh Dear, never mind. Come and have a look at what you would have won.

Kingp35 "I've had a lovely day Dev. I think we'll give someone else a chance."

If you don't make it, well, you've had a good day out, but you're goin' home with nowt.

And if you do get it remember - Settle in, take your time, there’s no rush....


*It's too early to be on the soup...

Kingp35

BigCon wrote:

*
Dev - You've got the time it takes the board to revolve to decide.

You've hit 'darts', and the category's gone.

"Moooo" Kingp35 - I'm afraid you've been 'Bully'd' out.
Oh Dear, never mind. Come and have a look at what you would have won.

Kingp35 "I've had a lovely day Dev. I think we'll give someone else a chance."

If you don't make it, well, you've had a good day out, but you're goin' home with nowt.

And if you do get it remember - Settle in, take your time, there’s no rush....


*It's too early to be on the soup...

What?!

Carcharodon

6th wrote:

I have a great interest in Darts, I lurk the forum but have played in competition myself (not alot of people here know that )

Hmmm....ok, ill give you that one

InFront

Oh dear, it's like the scramble for Africa with some people. I think MAJD summed up how a lot of people must be feeling about this thread.

I'm sure when Talliesen eventually decides on a mod it will be the best choice for darts and for the good of all mankind forevermore. Just let her do so in peace for our time.

BigCon

Kingp35 wrote:

What?!

I must be older than I thought...

Firewalkwithme

InFront wrote:

I'm sure when Talliesen eventually decides on a mod....

I don't think it's up to Talliesin though you could be forgiven for coming to that conclusion.

Tar.Aldarion

I hear she is hot too.
This thread should have been locked long ago. The original post was answered and dealt with.

county

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

This thread should have been locked long ago.

Thunderdome maybe

ilovelamp2000

Talliesin wrote:

That's like going to the police complaints commission to report that the police didn't investigate a burglary that you never reported.

There's nothing to say that the Sports cat-mod has even seen this thread.


Beats me. I haven't seen any reported posts to look at :rolleyes:

If you want to use the police as an analogy ..... they regularly do patrols around their territory.

Did any mods do that in the darts forum ?

I think we all know the answer is in the negative.

ilovelamp2000

Talliesin wrote:

The only time I'd be cautious about someone moderating a forum because it was one of those relatively tight knit ones is that people that tend to stick to just those forums tend to have a poor understanding of moderation compared with people who use a variety of boards including very busy and very light ones

That's just a crass generalisation and quite patronising too.

6th

Shut up noob ..... now someone move this to the Dome before I get banned!

PhilipMarlowe

Maybe people haven't read it yet or are choosing to ignore it.... but since this thread has been a lecture in "how to moderate" I'll ask it again.
When a poster comes on and says Darts is a "fat knacker sport" without being banned, is this because he/she is a subscriber?
If I were to go on the basketball forum (i assume there is one?) and say that basketball is a "tall ni***r sport" I'd expect a 12 clicking

Boston

Licksy wrote:

is this because he/she is a subscriber?

How I missed you licksy. You know the answer to that.

Amz

Rosco1982 wrote:

If you want to use the police as an analogy ..... they regularly do patrols around their territory.

Did any mods do that in the darts forum ?

I think we all know the answer is in the negative.

Oh de we now?

I think you should keep your oar out when you clearly don't know what's going on.

I've said more than once that I do keep an eye on that forum, but I have a life and if people aren't willing to help out, as asked of them in the charter, and don't report posts, I can't know to give that forum specific attention at the moment.

ilovelamp2000

Amz wrote:

Oh de we now?

I think you should keep your oar out when you clearly don't know what's going on.

I've said more than once that I do keep an eye on that forum, but I have a life and if people aren't willing to help out, as asked of them in the charter, and don't report posts, I can't know to give that forum specific attention at the moment.

I do know what's going on.

That thread was there for days, not one mod bothered to look at it during that time.

You're very quick to point out people's failure to report posts but don't seem to be willing to acknowledge the failure on the mods side.

Strange that.

DeVore

Minesajackdaniels wrote:

Just passing, so decided to throw my two cents in. I haven't been keeping up with this thread, so I've read it start to finish with no preconceptions.

1. Kingp35 posts on Feedback to say the Darts form isn't being modded properly.
2. A few people agree and suggest Kingp35 be made a mod, because he contributes.
3. oscarbravo suggests they use the report the post function in the meantime
4. DeV intervenes and says he'll look at the mod selection process shortly.

The thread could conceivably have ended there. There didn't really need to be anything else thrown in. However:

1. Talliesin takes a pot shot Kingp35, saying if he can't report a post then he isn't really mod material. He has a short spat on the thread on this issue. Then he withdraws his dummy spit and says let's all play nicely.
2. At this point Amz intervenes, having taken it personally that Kingp35 has basically said she isn't doing her job, and she points out that he should be using the 'report post' button if he has a problem. She also rightly points out that she has a life, and if users aren't using the 'report post' function, it doesn't help their cause or hers.

This reawakens the argument.

There follows 51 further posts of 'lastwordism' that do little or nothing for the credibility of the Feedback Forum as a venue for users' feedback.

Kingp35 never said he wanted to be a mod. He never suggested anyone choose him. He simply said he'd give it a go after someone else nominated him. Frankly I've seen less far elegant scrambles for power among existing moderators when a space in a forum opens up.

Threads like this just add to the user feeling that the mods think "it's not often you're right, but you're wrong again".

MAJD, I think I wuv you.

I made a mistake (curiously it was one I *knew* I was making when I made it and made it anyway... which isnt like me). I knew I should have locked the thread when I had dealt with it.

I think this is a storm in a teacup with Talliesin being *technically* correct and everyone simply throwing logs of wood on that spark.

Well, I wont make the same mistake twice. This thread is locked so the popcorn eaters can go away now. I've restarted the mod nominations thread and got everything back on track imho. Woe betide anyone trolling or derailing it. Yes Boston, I'm looking at you.

DeV.