Martins - the fastest shot ever recorded in a competitive game?

kinaldo

I was gonna post this in the Newcastle thread but then thought it deserves one of it's own.

So if you can think of any other goals that come close in terms of power then post them here...

Obafemi Martins' stunning 84 mph goal for Newcastle United at Tottenham on Sunday could be the fastest shot ever recorded in a competitive game, according to the Football Association yesterday.

The Nigerian's left-footed strike made it 2-2 before Newcastle went on to a 3-2 triumph, and may have shot Martins into the record books. "Some players in history have been renowned for the power of their shooting – Charlie 'Cannonball' Fleming for Sunderland in the Fifties, Cliff Holton for Crystal Palace in the Sixties and Peter 'Hotshot' Lorimer for Leeds in the Seventies," stated the FA's historian David Barber on the governing body's website yesterday.

"BBC's Record Breakers programme featured an 87 mph shot by Nicky Summerbee in 1994 that was claimed as the hardest ever. Manchester United tested the power of Scholes, Rooney and Ronaldo with a special measuring gun and they were all around 70 mph. The Brazilian left-back Robert Carlos, whose shooting is legendary, was timed at 72 mph. Martins' effort at the weekend, of course, was done in a match situation and has to be remarkable."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/sport/2007/01/17/sfnne217.xml

Here's a reminder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsOmgeseuDA&feature=RecentlyWatched&page=1&t=t&f=b

and here's the alternate version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r0qBESeVSU



Amazing to think that Roeder isn't even sure which is his preferred foot! Some examples of the power he can generate in either:

Martins v Tallinn

Martins v Blackburn

Martins v Reading

Martins v Watford

Martins v Chelsea (@0.37 mins)

Sizzler

Apart from the speed what was just as impressive was the angle he hit that from :eek:

Mitch Connor

From the Sky Sports "Ask Tyler" thing:

Q: How fast was John Arne Riise's free-kick was against Manchester United on November 4? Is that the hardest-hit goal this season?

A: Riise's ferocious effort was measured by Sky Sports Replay 2000 at 68.4mph, the second
hardest-hit goal this season in the Premiership.

Tugay's effort for Blackburn is the hardest, flying past Southampton goalkeeper Paul Jones at 84.2mph.

They both have some way to go to beat the hardest-recorded shot from the Premiership - David Beckham's thunderbolt against Chelsea in 1997 measured in at an amazing 97.9mph.
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Go Becks go!

WhiteWashMan

was a super goal alright.

the first i knew of it was it was dropping out of the top of the net. i didnt even see it being kicked or moving towards the net.

even shay given wouldnt have stopped that one

cournioni

Is one of Tony Yeboah's goals not up there with Tugay's goal in terms of speed?

iregk

I would have said Yeboah's goal against Wimbledon alright. I heard at the time that was 95mph or something.

event

this is on Wikipedia about yeboah

The goal against Wimbledon was also given Goal of the Season 1995/96. While at Leeds United the speed of one of his shots was unofficially measured at 99 mph making his shots faster than Leeds legend Peter Lorimer

jester77

The free kick specialist Ronald Koeman used to hit some belters as well, no idea of speed though!

smackbunnybaby

i thought it was david hirst.

Nalz

Surely Riise and Scholes are up there

iregk

Hasstlebaink as well in his prime hit some belters so surely he would be on the top end.

scojones

Tauren wrote:

They both have some way to go to beat the hardest-recorded shot from the Premiership - David Beckham's thunderbolt against Chelsea in 1997 measured in at an amazing 97.9mph.

And there's your answer.

kinaldo

Does anyone have a link to Beckham's alleged 97.9 mph goal against Chelsea? He scored so many against them I wouldn't know what to search for. Also, someone mentioned that the Julian Dicks penalty against Schemeichel in 96/97 was 99mph which I don't doubt as I've always cited Julian Dicks as the most ferocious penalty taker ever.

Seaneh

Seedorfs goal for real from just inside the half way line has to be up there too, never seen a bad hit as sweetly in my life.

Vokes

At what point is the speed recorded? At the goal-line?

Helix

SofaKing wrote:

At what point is the speed recorded? At the goal-line?

overall speed i believe

distance travelled over time taken from contact to crossing the goal line

Chucky the tree

thanks too f365 mediawatch.

Talking Up Your Strikers
MOTD2 interviewer: "Have you ever hit a shot so sweetly?"

Obafemi Martins: "No."

Glenn Roeder, ten seconds later: "I just wanted him to let go, because he does that day in, day out in training."

AnCapaillMor

Can't remember how hard he used to hit them but Ruben Sosa used to hit them fairly hard and a few were recorded over 100MPH. Hirst used hit them fairly hard as well, i remember he hit one of the bar against Arsenl and it nearly landed on the halfway line.

MrJoeSoap

I hear Savman's goal on Sunday was around 120mph...

iregk

Seaneh wrote:

Seedorfs goal for real from just inside the half way line has to be up there too, never seen a bad hit as sweetly in my life.

That was a screamer wasn't it? The keeper didn't know what to do with it.

GadgetFiend

roberto carlos may not have had the hardest shot

but he's the only player ive seen knock another player out with the strength of his shot- think it was brazil v venezuela (or some mediocre S american team) in the copa america a few years ago..

iregk

Sure did you know, according to Lawrenson on motd the reason Smith broke his leg was purely due to the power or Risse's shot!!!

Blazer

I remember seeing David Hirst hit the crossbar when playing with Sheffield Wednesday I think...it was clocked at 114mph by Andy Gray..not a goal but omg what a screamer..keeper nearly shat himself
update:just checked wiki and it was against Arsenal in 96..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hirst_%28footballer%29

so martin's might have the fastest shot for a goal but hirst has the fastest shot on record..

BFassassin

Where is the video links id like to see some of these goals in question but dont want to look myself.

I know im lazy

Seaneh

iregk wrote:

That was a screamer wasn't it? The keeper didn't know what to do with it.

The keeper didn't even see it!
I remember I couldn't stop laughing when I saw it!

justfortherecor

Is this the beckham 97.9mph scorcher?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfbRVstQ6ts

MrJoeSoap

Hugo Almeida deserves an honourable mention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy5gM7sEgDU

Zapp Brannigan

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Hugo Almeida deserves an honourable mention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy5gM7sEgDU

Jaysus, almost as good as a Bale one, eh?

Anywhos, anyone have a link for this Seedorf goal? The description of it tickles my memory but can't remember it

EDIT: WOW!!

MrJoeSoap

Slurms wrote:

Jaysus, almost as good as a Bale one, eh?

Anywhos, anyone have a link for this Seedorf goal? The description of it tickles my memory but can't remember it

Its in this, if you can bring yourself to sit through all the others...

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xiizd_top-50-football-goals

Afaik the only players to feature more than once are Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Roberto Carlos, Van Basten and some lad called Le Tissier!

Here's Seedorf on his own - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDsRjukiAJA

Zapp Brannigan

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Its in this, if you can bring yourself to sit through all the others...

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xiizd_top-50-football-goals

No Gerrard FA Cup 2006 goal!? Disgraceful, though still some real peaches in there.

Peyton Manning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O44H9ZLsqj4
Roberto Carlos' top 10 powerful shots

Jimboo_Jones

At the city ground they still talk about Johnny Metgod's freekick, Forest v Westham in 1986 ... I'm sure that was the fastest free kick at the time (though I bet the new ball will travell faster)

jester77

GadgetFiend wrote:

roberto carlos may not have had the hardest shot

but he's the only player ive seen knock another player out with the strength of his shot- think it was brazil v venezuela (or some mediocre S american team) in the copa america a few years ago..

Ronald Koeman knocked out a Welsh player standing in the wall from a free kick, can't remember who it was.

A collection of his free kicks

iregk

What about Mendieta in his prime? I remember seeing this goal live and though it was the best volley i'd ever seen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAnHIkaFy9Q

redspider

There have been some tremendously hard shots down through the years, but I doubt if Martins would be the fastest, since it was executed from the ground and he was running at an angle to the direction of where he kicked the ball, etc. It didnt look to be the fastest when looking at it.

I'm not sure how accurate all those timings and speeds are. If you can get your hands on original footage and if it is at 24 frames per second, you can do your own calculation. You need to work out where the ball is on the pitch, where the ball crosses the line, etc, etc. There are a number of variables and I for one dont trust many of these speed claims nor the accurracy of the measurements.

Also, over the years the ball has changed significantly. Does it fly faster? It is plastic now, and not leather, and I think most tests and kicks of the ball would confirm that it does fly faster for the same amount of force/effort by the kicker/foot. It certainly does a big right to left or left to right movement in the air, a so-called bend and goalkeepers of the modern age will testify to that.

Redspider

iregk

Well spider you are correct in so far as the ball has made a big difference. In the past when balls were real leather and had deep groves in between the patchs. The leather was heavier and used to absorb more of the force than now. Also the deep groves caught a lot more air and slowed the ball in mid flight.

Now they are synthetic, almost completely smooth and designed out of a material that will return more of the initial energy into the flight of the ball. They catch less air which allows them to maintain their speed over greater distance and move a lot more.

1998 was the first time balls really changed with the adidas gas capsule layer under the synthetic leather patch. Since they its gotten, lighter, faster and moves a lot more. Speeds will go up and swerves will get worse.

kinaldo

according to the Guardian

James Dart and Paolo Bandini
Wednesday February 14, 2007
Guardian Unlimited


"There was a great hullabaloo over Obafemi Martins' goal against Spurs last month, timed at 84mph, with Telegraph journalist Henry Winter speculating that it could take the crown," writes Archi Campbell. "However, I remember a goal by David Trezeguet for Monaco against Man Utd in the Champions League quarter-finals of 1998 that was timed at 96mph. This would also be faster than Nicky Summerbee's 87mph shot on Record Breakers, which is often given as the fastest shot ever. Was Trezeguet's shot really that fast, and if so, why does everyone seem to ignore it?"

"There's no official record," explained the Football Association's historian David Barber when quizzed, but we knew our readers weren't going to be palmed off so easily. Therefore, armed with a toothcomb, our archives and a handy list of humdingers measured on the Sky Sports Replay 2000 tracking machine, we can provide you with the most authentic - if unofficial - list of heavy hitters at our disposal.

First off, three things: Martins' goal is only the ninth hardest shot recorded; Summerbee's effort was obviously not in a competitive match so we'll ignore it; and Trezeguet's thunderbolt at Old Trafford can only have been ignored because it was in European competition - but it was recorded at 96mph, putting him third on our list.

Pipping Trezeguet, however, is David Beckham (the only player to appear twice in our top 10), who smashed home a 97.9mph effort of his own against Chelsea on February 22 1997. That might top our list of powerful goals, but there is one harder shot - recorded by Sky's fancy device - that puts it well and truly in the shade. Step forward ... Sheffield Wednesday's David Hirst, who drilled a 14.8-yard howitzer against the crossbar at a whopping 114mph during a 4-1 defeat at Arsenal on September 16 1996. Therefore, our top 10, as it stands, is ...

1) David Hirst - 114mph (for Sheffield Wednesday @ Arsenal on September 16 1997)
2) David Beckham - 97.9mph (for Man Utd v Chelsea on February 22 1997)
3) David Trezeguet - 96mph (for Monaco @ Man Utd on March 19 1998)
4) Richie Humphreys - 95.9mph (for Sheffield Wednesday v Aston Villa on August 17 1996)
5) Matt Le Tissier - 86.8mph (for Southampton v Newcastle on January 18 1997)
6) Alan Shearer - 85.8mph (for Newcastle v Leicester on February 2 1997)
7) Roberto Carlos - 85.2mph (for Brazil v France on June 3 1997)
8) Tugay - 84.2mph (for Blackburn @ Southampton on November 3 2001)
9) Obafemi Martins - 84mph (for Newcastle @ Tottenham on January 14 2007)
10) David Beckham - 80.5mph (for Man Utd @ Derby on September 4 1996)

http://football.guardian.co.uk/theknowledge/story/0,,2012031,00.html

Hardest shot in the last 6 years from Martins.

acquiescefc

Can i just re-iterate.

David Hirst...

A Legend.

the proof.

smackbunnybaby

smackbunnybaby wrote:

i thought it was david hirst.

looks like smackbunnybaby was right after all

edit: add link

just a quick reminder - Hirst best striker in Britain in the last 20 years
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8830790240424316936

gosplan

kinaldo wrote:

according to the Guardian

Hardest shot in the last 6 years from Martins.

I protest!!!

Stephen Reids screamer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go2lk-84mQ8

redspider

I dont think this is a definitive study and I have a number of doubts.

For one, I dont trust that Sky measuring device. At short distances, a part of a metre mis-calculated would throw the values derived badly askew.

Secondly, some of these shots were taken from the ground. I find it very very hard to believe that the top-10 would not all be volley's, if not the top-100 goals. We just have to look at how goalies kick the ball out for visible evidence of that and anyone who has played the game knows this as well. Beckham's 2nd one is off the ground, as was Martins, notwithstanding that football flight times have increased in recent years will the ball changes (see above), so to me that clearly indicates this is not a full example, nor a full study.

Thirdly, the difference between the 1st and 2nd is about 15%. You dont see this in any other sport and I wouldn't subscribe to any theory if proferred that forwards are holding back their efforts and controlling them. Many are likely to blast shots as hard as they can and hence differences at the top end should be slight. A proper list would have values that are much closer together, notwithstanding a Beamon-like event.

Time to drop the journo's and bring in the academics I'm afraid .....

Redspider

acquiescefc

Hirstys was a half volley. It rebounded off the crossbar to the half way line.
With the heavier balls..what would the academics say about that.

I think its undisputable.

David Hirst was the greatest.

Makes me sad after a night like tonight. A rubbish Luton side and we cant beat em.

smackbunnybaby

acquiescefc wrote: »

Hirstys was a half volley

and here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9tV9evOCIs

chopperbyrne

smackbunnybaby wrote: »

and here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9tV9evOCIs

What made you look up a year old thread?

Melion

What an odd time to bring back an old thread.

And id love to know where all the rubbish came from about it landing on the halfway line after hitting the bar, it wouldnt have made it out of the box if it wasnt headed out.

smackbunnybaby

chopperbyrne wrote: »

What made you look up a year old thread?

it wasnt up loaded to youtube til this week. i remember it had been talked about before and since there was a thread for it.....

justfortherecor

Cheers for posting it!

Running Bing

smackbunnybaby wrote: »

and here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9tV9evOCIs

Cheers for that mate, Ive been lying awake for the past year thinking about that, unable to locate the clip anywhere.


I now feel I have entered a new chapter in my life and can finally move on.

Remember Steven Reids goal vs Portsmouth i think. Was that not a fast one ? ?

herbieflowers

Babybing wrote: »

Cheers for that mate, Ive been lying awake for the past year thinking about that, unable to locate the clip anywhere.


I now feel I have entered a new chapter in my life and can finally move on.

haha

Mr.Nice Guy

Deleted User wrote: »

Remember Steven Reids goal vs Portsmouth i think. Was that not a fast one ? ?

I think it's this one against Wigan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9Ij-FM3Fsg

Good job it hit the net and not the crowd.