I love my Sega Saturn

Retr0gamer

RGB scart and svideo are the best connections you can get. playasia still sell them. Well worth the upgrade, high res 2D looks gorgeous in RGB scart.

97i9y3941

RichyX wrote: »

Never played it, but I seem to remember Impact Racing being developed in Ireland.
Would that be right?

i have ultimate mortal kombat 3 for the saturn,says on the cd itself,the cd was made in ireland *rare thing these days

97i9y3941

CCCP^ wrote: »

Can you believe my brother used to own the Sega Mega CDx, the really compact one? I have no idea what happened to it I am probably going to have to go to Ebay for another one. I got my hands on Final Fight CD recently and I am dying to try it out!

Final fight on the Mega cd is excellent,get batman returns aswell,sonic cd,snatcher,shining force cd,mega cd had aload of quality games,oh always check out youtube for gameplay videos

tifosi 1

Yeah I think Impact Racing was developed by an Irish Company called Funcom. Also I think there was a CD Pressing Plant in Ireland somewhere that's why a lot of discs had made in Ireland on them.

Retr0gamer

A lot of Saturn CDs were pressed in Ireland. I bought a load of saturn games unboxed off a guy who used to work in the pressing plant, thats where he got them he told me.

97i9y3941

bought panzer dragoon saga from ebay other day,paided €120,that includes the postage,consider that not too bad since its known to go for way higher amounts,i know you can emulate and play these things on your p.c but nothing beats having and admireing it in your collection

Retr0gamer

Nice one usually goes for twice that. I got mine for 20 euros unboxed however.

97i9y3941

mines kinda like that too,missing the outer box,what intresting aswell from the photo i saw its a european copy

tifosi 1

It amazes me that Sega haven't released Panzer Dragoon Saga on another format. They must be aware of it's popularity. A lot of Sega franchises have died on their ass on new platforms because the market was full or the transistion to 3d didn't work(Sonic). The RPG market though hasn't changed much in ten years and is begging for an epic like Saga.

I'll never forgive Sega for releasing Nights on the Wii and killing off the franchise. How was Nights ever gonna succeed on a platform that's played by young kids and old people who've never heard of the orginal. Now if they had put it on the 360 or PS3 with updated graphics then it might have stood a chance.

97i9y3941

according to wikipedia at time,reason panzer dragoon wasnt ported to other platforms is that the source code is lost,surely they could just play the game again and get an idea so they could start from scratch?

happy to say too i recently acquired an pal copy of dragon force

I brought my Sega Saturn(White) with me from Japan when I moved to Ireland. I don't play it that often any more... but it's one of my favorite consoles of all time.

Retr0gamer

tifosi 1 wrote: »

It amazes me that Sega haven't released Panzer Dragoon Saga on another format. They must be aware of it's popularity. A lot of Sega franchises have died on their ass on new platforms because the market was full or the transistion to 3d didn't work(Sonic). The RPG market though hasn't changed much in ten years and is begging for an epic like Saga.

Panzer Dragoon Saga is so far ahead of it's time that RPGs really haven't caught up to it in many ways and other than the graphics it hasn't aged at all and it still a fresh and unique experience. Sega could easily just release the same game with updated graphics and it would still be a new experience that is far better than any of the recent crop of RPGs. Even for the few people that did play it before I'm sure they would buy it again. I don't think there is one person that has played Panzer Dragoon Sag to the end and not become totally enamoured by the game and PD universe.

Fred83 wrote: »

according to wikipedia at time,reason panzer dragoon wasnt ported to other platforms is that the source code is lost,surely they could just play the game again and get an idea so they could start from scratch?

The problem there is that without source code you have to start from scratch or reverse engineer the whole game from scratch. The only other option is to use the original game data and play it with an emulator. Due to the nature of the saturn hardware building a saturn emulator is extremely difficult and wouldn't really be viable for Sega for just one game.

tifosi 1

I find that quote from wikipeda hard to believe. Sega at the time was the probably one of the top ten game publishers in the world and unless there was fire or flood I can't see it happening. Sega were far too professional to lose the source code of one of the higest profile games of the Saturn.

Retr0gamer

tifosi 1 wrote: »

I find that quote from wikipeda hard to believe. Sega at the time was the probably one of the top ten game publishers in the world and unless there was fire or flood I can't see it happening. Sega were far too professional to lose the source code of one of the higest profile games of the Saturn.

You'd be surprised then to realise how often it happens. Remember the Megaman collection of GB games that was coming out on the DS? Well it was cancelled because Capcom had lost the source code to all the games. Also ever wondered why all the 8-bit home conversions of Bubble Bobble were so damn good? Because they had to be programmed from scratch because Taito lost the source code. It happens all the time even in the biggest software developers.

97i9y3941

do you think policenauts translation will ever see light of day?,i know its been translated at mo,dying to play the game do

tifosi 1

2008 was a geat year for games but very few new IPs had high sales(Mirrors Edge being the prime example). It seems that we want familar games or old games HD'd. This led me to thinking that the Sega Saturn catalog has a host of great games begging for a 2009 makeover. Although the logistics of any of these games ever being made would be imense it could still be done. So instead of Sega releasing yet another Megadrive collection to sell Sonic 1,2 and 3 maybe the following would be better.

It's completely obvious to everybody but Sega Japan that Sonic as a 3d platformer doesn't work. So why not remake the last 3d Sonic game that worked 100% - Sonic R. Don't touch the graphics except for giving them a little pollish and make it work online. Put it on XBLA/PSN for 800 points and you'd have an instant smash hit.

The buzz word for Xmas 2008 was Online Co-op. What better game for Co-op than Burning Rangers. Imagine a brand new game with 4 player Co-op. It would like Gears of War 2 only better as it wouldn't be so dull(colour-wise)

Fighting games have hit their peak, you only have to look at how rubbish the last Mortal Kombat was to see that. Now I know your saying to yourself "But Street Fighter 4 is coming" yes it is and it'll be great but will the majority of people really want to pay €60+ for a fighting game, I very much doubt it. Now old fighters on XBLA/PSN sell very well. Put Virtua Fighter 2 or Fighting Vipers on XBLA/PSN with online for a relatively cheap price and watch it then become king of the online brawlers.

Now I've mentioned Nights on this tread before so i'll just say this, Put the Wii version on the true next gen consoles with graphics befitting said consoles and advertise the hell of it.

Outrun has been announced for XBLA/PSN for later this year but i think Sega picked the wrong racing game. They should have brought Daytona back with 20-30 players online. It would be awesome.


I've got plenty more ideas if anybody wants to hear them.

appleidog

tifosi 1 wrote: »

2008 was a geat year for games but very few new IPs had high sales(Mirrors Edge being the prime example). It seems that we want familar games or old games HD'd. This led me to thinking that the Sega Saturn catalog has a host of great games begging for a 2009 makeover. Although the logistics of any of these games ever being made would be imense it could still be done. So instead of Sega releasing yet another Megadrive collection to sell Sonic 1,2 and 3 maybe the following would be better.

It's completely obvious to everybody but Sega Japan that Sonic as a 3d platformer doesn't work. So why not remake the last 3d Sonic game that worked 100% - Sonic R. Don't touch the graphics except for giving them a little pollish and make it work online. Put it on XBLA/PSN for 800 points and you'd have an instant smash hit.

The buzz word for Xmas 2008 was Online Co-op. What better game for Co-op than Burning Rangers. Imagine a brand new game with 4 player Co-op. It would like Gears of War 2 only better as it wouldn't be so dull(colour-wise)

Fighting games have hit their peak, you only have to look at how rubbish the last Mortal Kombat was to see that. Now I know your saying to yourself "But Street Fighter 4 is coming" yes it is and it'll be great but will the majority of people really want to pay €60+ for a fighting game, I very much doubt it. Now old fighters on XBLA/PSN sell very well. Put Virtua Fighter 2 or Fighting Vipers on XBLA/PSN with online for a relatively cheap price and watch it then become king of the online brawlers.

Now I've mentioned Nights on this tread before so i'll just say this, Put the Wii version on the true next gen consoles with graphics befitting said consoles and advertise the hell of it.

Outrun has been announced for XBLA/PSN for later this year but i think Sega picked the wrong racing game. They should have brought Daytona back with 20-30 players online. It would be awesome.


I've got plenty more ideas if anybody wants to hear them.

Put Virtua Fighter 2 or Fighting Vipers on XBLA/PSN with online for a relatively cheap price and watch it then become king of the online brawlers. Well why have virtua fighter 2 when 5 runs rings about it.

Fighting games have hit their peak, you only have to look at how rubbish the last Mortal Kombat was to see that. But mortal kombat has always been crap.
It's completely obvious to everybody but Sega Japan that Sonic as a 3d platformer doesn't work. So why not remake the last 3d Sonic game that worked 100% - Sonic R. Don't touch the graphics except for giving them a little pollish and make it work online. Put it on XBLA/PSN for 800 points and you'd have an instant smash hit.
Sonic R was terrible and why not just rerelease Sonic the fighters, which was a much better game then sonic R

Now I've mentioned Nights on this tread before so i'll just say this, Put the Wii version on the true next gen consoles with graphics befitting said consoles and advertise the hell of it.

It wouldn't sell well, the saturn version would still be better!.
Outrun has been announced for XBLA/PSN for later this year but i think Sega picked the wrong racing game. They should have brought Daytona back with 20-30 players online. It would be awesome.

Outrun has had a much more succseful run then daytona has, Daytona nowaday wouldhave to much fearce competion, in this day and age! and outrun is just a fantastic game! always has been from the mastersystem to psp

RichyX

tifosi 1 wrote: »

It's completely obvious to everybody but Sega Japan that Sonic as a 3d platformer doesn't work. So why not remake the last 3d Sonic game that worked 100% - Sonic R.

I've always felt Sonic Adventure was the only Sonic game to work in 3D.

Sonic R wasn't a huge amount of fun imo. Nice graphics, but a bit too much like hard work.
They tried to go back to the racing theme with Sonic Riders, and look how that turned out!

appleidog

Well, Sonic R was made by Travellers tales, and Sonic riders was made by Sega!, so i mean different company!. but Sonic hasn't been good since 1991.

97i9y3941

personally i didnt think the 3d sega ages version of outrun on ps2 wasnt bad at all,i loved outrun 2,only problem about saturn games is that saturn itself was a complex machine to program/develop for,so it was much easier to port the megadrive ports to pc/playstation,one example that springs to mind for me would be sonic 3d blast,the one on the ps2/pc compilations is the megadrive port,it was developed for the saturn at time too,looked nearly same with bit more detail, but had an excellent bonus level,check it out on youtube if you have never seen it.

tifosi 1

Put Virtua Fighter 2 or Fighting Vipers on XBLA/PSN with online for a relatively cheap price and watch it then become king of the online brawlers.

Well why have virtua fighter 2 when 5 runs rings about it.

Yes it does but it was already released and it died a death on release even with online play because paying €60 for a game in a genre that hasn't changed in over 10 years doesn't make sense. Now paying just over a €5 for a game that was perfect in its day is fine with most people

Fighting games have hit their peak, you only have to look at how rubbish the last Mortal Kombat was to see that.

But mortal kombat has always been crap.

Mortal Kombat maybe crap but the new releases and the XBLA/PSN games still sold better than Virtua Fighter 5.

It's completely obvious to everybody but Sega Japan that Sonic as a 3d platformer doesn't work. So why not remake the last 3d Sonic game that worked 100% - Sonic R. Don't touch the graphics except for giving them a little pollish and make it work online. Put it on XBLA/PSN for 800 points and you'd have an instant smash hit.

Sonic R was terrible and why not just rerelease Sonic the fighters, which was a much better game then sonic R

For the same reason you said Outrun was a better choice than Daytona because its more well known. Sonic R was released on the Saturn and PC. Sonic the Fighters was never released outside Japan because it was crap.

Now I've mentioned Nights on this tread before so i'll just say this, Put the Wii version on the true next gen consoles with graphics befitting said consoles and advertise the hell of it.

It wouldn't sell well, the saturn version would still be better!.

If you advertise like Nintendo you can sell any old crap. You cant say the Saturn version would better if you don't have the new game to compare it to.

Outrun has been announced for XBLA/PSN for later this year but i think Sega picked the wrong racing game. They should have brought Daytona back with 20-30 players online. It would be awesome.

Outrun has had a much more succseful run then daytona has, Daytona nowaday wouldhave to much fearce competion, in this day and age! and outrun is just a fantastic game! always has been from the mastersystem to psp

Outrun 2 Coast to Coast is a good game but put next to competition like PGR, Forza or Need for Speed and you can see it just didn't sell enough. The reason being that it didn't have a hook to make it unique. Now putting out Daytona with 20-30 player online is just different enough to make it interesting and the Nascar loving Yanks would lap it up.

tifosi 1

I'll be the first to admit that Sonic R was a handful to control nut not impossible. A new release could easily fix that. Don't forget that it was limited by the Saturn's digital and analog pads. I think (although i'm not certain) that Sonic Riders was point to point racing where as Sonic R was lap based.

appleidog

Now with 99.9% of Retro remakes/ other retro compilations, are usually always worse then the original, for one reason they don't care if they are good or not!. While with Nights on Saturn they cared a whole bunch, canceling A damn, Sonic game! for this Untested formula. because back then they had alot of stake on said games, just like these other said games

Capcom classic collections 1 & 2.
Taito collection
sonic Mega collection
Sonic Gems
sega classics

The only time where compilations have been fantastic
Sonic jam sat
Capcom collection 1-5 sat
and the Sega ages.! sega saturn

see, all the games mentioned would probably just be done very bad!. like burning rangers ect. ect., sega hasnt got the power it once had!.]


Just stick to the originals!

tifosi 1

I think your missing the point I was trying make. My orginal post was just a wishlist games I believe could turn a profit if rereleased. You say 99% of Retro releases/Complations aren't as good as the orginals. I disagree I believe that 100% are not as good as the orginals. They can never be as good as you remember it to be. That's not to say a remake can't be fun. When you think of an old games you are blinded by nostalgia.

A perfect example is the orginal Doom. A landmark game in its day and still pretty playable today. However because of the games that follwed we can never really see Doom in the way we did back in the early 90's. Half-Life is now the benchmark that Doom once was.

Most intelligent gamers know that Sega hasn't released a good game since 2001. When the Dreamcast died so did Sega. We don't say it out loud much but we feel it everytime a crappy 3d Sonic comes out or a half arsed Megadrive complation. In saying that though any real Sega fan believes that Sega can make great games and will again and that one day even if its 50 years from now we will get SHENMUE 3.

tifosi 1

Sticking to orginals is not a viable option as consoles and games are perishable. The Saturn only sold about 10 million units. Thats only 1/10th the size of the PS2 user base and who knows how much the Wii will sell in the end.

I don't think Burning Rangers would have even sold half a million. I'd imagine that only 10% of the copies sold are still working and in circulation. Thats only 5000 copies left of a great game. Because of its rarity it sells for ridiculous amounts on Ebay. Meaning only collectors will pick it up and possibly not even play it. Thats not what Sonic Team intended when they made the game. They would have wanted it to be played by as wide an audience as possible to appreciate how good it was.

Remakes and Collections(to a lesser extent) while never as good as the orginal still serve a purpose of showing old and new gamers alike that older consoles had some cracking games.

Retr0gamer

tifosi 1 wrote: »

Most intelligent gamers know that Sega hasn't released a good game since 2001.

Valkyria Chronicles, Panzer Dragoon Orta and Outrun 2 say otherwise. Sega still have great teams it's just that they aren't being given the budgets that their more casual orientated teams are getting and they also broke up a few of their better teams like Smilebit. Pity they haven't released nearly as many quality titles as their dreamcast days and so much money is being pumped into Sonic Team who have lost the plot and are continually raping the Sonic franchise.

I played Burning Rangers there recently and I wasn't impressed. It's aged really badly.

CCCP^

I've decided to sell my Sega Saturn if anyone is interested, here is the ad -

http://www.adverts.ie/showproduct.php?product=88740&cat=12

RichyX

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I played Burning Rangers there recently and I wasn't impressed. It's aged really badly.

Haven't touched that in years, but I've always suspected the camera system would be a nightmare compared to modern games.
I still love the concept and the some elements of the game design such as the rescuing of survivors and getting letters from them.

It could be savage on a modern console.

Retr0gamer

RichyX wrote: »

Haven't touched that in years, but I've always suspected the camera system would be a nightmare compared to modern games.
I still love the concept and the some elements of the game design such as the rescuing of survivors and getting letters from them.

It could be savage on a modern console.

I always thought a fire fighting game would be amazing and very atmospheric especially with todays graphics on the modern consoles. The last one I played was Firefighter FD 18 on the PS2. It wasn't bad but it just got very repetitive and the levels were very samey. The bad voice acting and script were comedy gold though. The Boss battles were fantastic though and it's a pity there weren't anymore.

It's a real shame that the only good firefighting game was the firemen on the SNES. That game is fantastic but unfortunately doesn't work on emulators. There's a strange rain effect in a later level that emulators can't emulate.

97i9y3941

anyone remember this game The Yakyuken Special,some footage from the unreleased psone version,same as the saturn version do

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=TA8oJ3YYShQ

CCCP^

Fred83 wrote: »

anyone remember this game The Yakyuken Special,some footage from the unreleased psone version,same as the saturn version do

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=TA8oJ3YYShQ

What the ****?

97i9y3941

exactly,i said the same when i first saw it!

Retr0gamer

Fred83 wrote: »

anyone remember this game The Yakyuken Special,some footage from the unreleased psone version,same as the saturn version do

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=TA8oJ3YYShQ

Best game ever!

Remember reading an article about that game. Think Seanbaby did it. He said it was one of the worst games ever. The computer cheats like crazy so only every 1 in 20 times you'll win and the girls will strip for you. He said it was rubbish because if you wanted to sit down and have a good, eh, fiddle you weren't even sure you'd get any decent material. Porn was better. Apparently.

97i9y3941

yeah thats how i found out about that game too,read it on the same article!,out of curiousity do you have that game? :S

Retr0gamer

Nope don't have it. Curious now though, might be good to have something that can balance out the OTT gayness of Cho Aniki

97i9y3941

i have the yak special game in my collection,seems to be scarce these days :S

Firefox10

Fred83 wrote: »

bought panzer dragoon saga from ebay other day,paided €120,that includes the postage,consider that not too bad since its known to go for way higher amounts,i know you can emulate and play these things on your p.c but nothing beats having and admireing it in your collection

you mean to say that my copy of this game is worth a bit of cash!! Heres a pic. Oh and im not selling.

97i9y3941

yup its worth a good bit,i have a feeling people are selling up their games in the recession,some of games are coming down in price,i seen metal slug on saturn going cheaper than it usually does

appleidog

Yeh metal slug has gone down a bit, great game though, have it for my Saturn, i need to either set up my saturn soon or sale it, have some nice jems for it, like marvel vs streetfighter, metal slug, discworld 2,nights.

97i9y3941

have some pricey stuff myself,kof95,radiant silvergun,dragonforce,panzer dragoon saga

appleidog

nice, stuff there! i used to have alot more but have stopped collecting a few years back, so i've down sized alot.

97i9y3941

i know how you feel,specially when you know you can get the games off somesites and burn and run them on your modded machine,often debate should i sell my collection or not,cause im afraid of person would try annoy me and get it cheaper or be too fussy about the sale

Setun

Whoah, I just remembered the theme tune to Sonic R.

/bangs head against desk

#"Can you feel the sunshine, does it brighten up your day"#

Oh noes!!!

Firefox10

Fred83 wrote: »

yup its worth a good bit,i have a feeling people are selling up their games in the recession,some of games are coming down in price,i seen metal slug on saturn going cheaper than it usually does

Cool..Thanks. I have alot of Sega Stuff (Both Saturn and Dreamcast) just sitting in the press gattering dust. I'll have to go through it. I think id find it difficult to part with it though. Alot of good gaming memories there.:D

Cravez

Only came across this thread now, i still have my Saturn and a load of rake of games too. One of the few systems i thoroughly enjoyed! I remember waking up Christmas morning and throwing on Virtual On and being completely gobsmacked at the graphics

Btw Daddio is referring to my copy of Sonic R haha! Still have it and all :pac:

fugazied

Lorax wrote: »

The golden axe beat-em-up for it is really good

Yes an absolute classic, takes me back! You can get some old school consoles on ebay sometimes

Setun

Michael Cravez wrote: »

Only came across this thread now, i still have my Saturn and a load of rake of games too. One of the few systems i thoroughly enjoyed! I remember waking up Christmas morning and throwing on Virtual On and being completely gobsmacked at the graphics

Btw Daddio is referring to my copy of Sonic R haha! Still have it and all :pac:

Actually we should give it a go again for the lulz.

CiDeRmAn

Bring Back Sonic R!!!!

I loved that game, especially as, at one time, it was the only new game I could buy for the infernal machine!

I recall getting it and Burning Rangers, another great game, and reading an Edge interview with some Sega Europe bigwig and she was classing the Saturn as a "Gamers Machine", a death sentence if ever there was one!

But I digress, Sonic R, get rid of the pop up, keep the music! Put it on XBLA with a few new tracks, lovely jubbly!

The only other good 3D sonic was the smashing orangey bit in Sonic Jam, also on the Saturn, it would bring a tear to the eye of a Sonic fan, what could have been...

Instead we got Sonic 3d, a remake of a Megadrive game, for shame Sega, FOR SHAME!!!


A Sega Ages collection for the PS2/3 would be cool, collecting even un-updated editions of Saturn classics would be supersweet, heck, a proper Nights game, to take away the bitter aftertaste of the Wii game would be perfect!

Retr0gamer

Didn't like sonic R other than the music which was so ear splittingly bad that it became hilarious. Looked absolutely gorgeous though.

97i9y3941

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

A Sega Ages collection for the PS2/3 would be cool, collecting even un-updated editions of Saturn classics would be supersweet, heck, a proper Nights game, to take away the bitter aftertaste of the Wii game would be perfect!

dont think it will ever happen,saturn architecture was very complex,thus it was much easier to port megadrive games to the ps2/ps3,only way i think it would be done would be if they wrote the programs from scratch on ps2/ps3