Again, (again, again) it begins... (SU Elections)

Comhra....

Does no one else find it kind of creepy that Ibid was able to find all of those people on bebo?

Nietzschean

Comhra wrote:

Does no one else find it kind of creepy that Ibid was able to find all of those people on bebo?

finding people on bebo is scarily easy, they have increased security in recent times, but at one point i'd a full listing of every tcd student on there....

Stargal

Andrew 83 wrote:

I was at that CSC awards table too and I have to say the behaviour of some of the PDs, him included and particularly, ruined the night to a decent extent.

Ah no, they didn't ruin the night, just the dinner. It was grand once they went away.

So does anyone want to make any predictions?

wesclark

I'm Conal Campbell


re: CSC ball '05

I made a mistake and I apologised to the FFer involved.

Andrew 83

wesclark wrote:

I'm Conal Campbell


re: CSC ball '05

I made a mistake and I apologised to the FFer involved.

What about the rest of the meal?!

Agent Smith

Danger Bob wrote:

Sabbatical Election Candidates

Hey there,

Following on from Myth's post, below are the candiates who have been nominated by ten fellow members of the Union to stand for Sabbatical Elections this year. I know this is a bit repetitive but there's a couple of extra candidates not mentioned above and you gotta keep everyone happy.

President

Andrew Byrne
David Lorigan
Barry Murphy
John Tracey

Deputy President

Conal Campbell
Sean Conway Its bewteen them
David Lorigan
Neasa McGarrigle
Claire Tighe

Education Officer

David Lorigan
Neil McGough
Bartley Rock Its between them two
Ross Wynne

Welfare Officer

Jessica Campbell
Una Faulkner
Raymond Healy
David Lorigan
Daire McNab

Ents Officer

Robert Donohue
Barry Keane I've no idea
David Lorigan
Stephen Mallon
Ed O'Riordan

Campaigning officially begins on Monday 19th February. Polling will take place on campus between 27th February and 1st March. Polling in the affiliate colleges, in D'Olier Street, in Trinity Hall and in the teaching hospitals are still to be confirmed.

wheres blanaith deeny on the welfare list?
That welfare election looks like a Good Race, One i would have liked to take part in. ah well....

Stargal

wesclark wrote:

I'm Conal Campbell
re: CSC ball '05
I made a mistake and I apologised to the FFer involved.

Lol! That's hilarious - so were you just going to lurk here for the whole election campaign to see what people were saying about you, without ever revealing who you were? Quel muppetry...

Now having said that, I do appreciate you actually posting that, even if you should have done it sooner. It'd be great if everyone could acknowledge if they're a candidate or on a candidate's campaign team, so we don't get any dodgy crap going on with people dissing/singing the praises of certain people.

And by the way Conal, doesn't it bode slightly ominously that your username is that of a failed Presidential candidate? Why didn't you choose someone who'd actually won?

stargal

stargal wrote:

Lol! That's hilarious.

No wait, don't you see what he's saying? We're all to blame for this.

I broke the dam am Conal Campbell.

John

I'm Conal and so's my wife

wesclark

Andrew 83 wrote:

What about the rest of the meal?!

It was my first ever hack event and you and Christine weren't remotely welcoming. I realise PDs at essentially the labour youth table was an odd mix but people like Dave Morris and Carl Fox were far nicer.

wesclark

stargal wrote:

Lol! That's hilarious - so were you just going to lurk here for the whole election campaign to see what people were saying about you, without ever revealing who you were? Quel muppetry...

I have a dozen(ish) posts on b.ie (half for research on an article and the other half arranging a football match) and I haven't made an attempt to 'big up' my election campaign. I'm sure every candidate will check b.ie from time to time

stargal wrote:

Now having said that, I do appreciate you actually posting that, even if you should have done it sooner.

I posted my comment immediately after seeing the post

mcguirkj

He wasn't actually electable in the Hist either, got creamed when he ran in the Hist.

Ah, now that's just not true. I only contested one society election in my entire college career, running for Hist censor when I was in first year, which was unheard of at the time. I lost by 6-odd votes, (45-39 if memory serves), which is better than any first year who's run for an officership against a non-first year candidate before or since.

Since then, I've been very successful in Hist elections, just not as a candidate

Anyway, feel free to abuse me some more if it makes you feel good.

Time Magazine

Comhra wrote:

Does no one else find it kind of creepy that Ibid was able to find all of those people on bebo?

I had found out where your parents lived within ten minutes of talking to you.

You'd be amazed what people will reveal to someone as innocent and hunky looking as me.

I know all.

Andrew 83

Ibid wrote:

I know all.

Well you know me so I can't really argue against that.

Andrew 83

wesclark wrote:

It was my first ever hack event and you and Christine weren't remotely welcoming. I realise PDs at essentially the labour youth table was an odd mix but people like Dave Morris and Carl Fox were far nicer.

Well there's no point dwelling on an event that took place two years ago but as far as I remember it I was just trying to have a nice relaxing time with friends and you lot were all being intentionally rude and provocative. It was very frustrating. (Part of the frustration was you lot and Dave constantly bickering!)

Crash

and now for something completely different...

Time Magazine

Andrew 83 wrote:

Well you know me so I can't really argue against that.

I didn't mean know all personally. I meant it in an all information that exists has passed through me first kind of way.

Tricity Bendix

stargal wrote:

I'm not claiming that I was Miss Congeniality or anything - those weirdos picked fights with my friends and I'm damned if I'm going to sit there and watch that happen - but I was civil, didn't resort to personal attacks and tried to make a couple of jokes to lighten the mood, and that's a hell of a lot more than I can say for Conal.

B.ie, despite your loveliness on boards, if you only caught the end of the 'exchanges' then I don't think you're really in a position to call this one. You missed out on a pretty horrible tirade from Conal and his mini-me, booing people who won awards, yelling across the (tiny) table and generally being horrible to or about the people at the tables around them. It was funny in the beginning cos I thought they were just joking, but they weren't. His behaviour was entirely unacceptable.

I can't stress how obnoxious this boy was. Ugh. Horrible, horrible guy.

But anyway. Let's move on.

I really don't want to upset the thread again, but I just want to say it takes two to tango, I object to being called that creep's "mini-me", we were booing our good friends in Ógra with whom we later shared a laugh and a spin on the dance floor, I had a very enjoyable night and I got on with everyone from Labour who I spoke to and didn't offend anyone (except with my singing), and those of us (us being the PDs and Labour) who were left at the end of the night went out dancing and merry-making.

osd

Just to let people know...
I've pulled out of the race for Education Officer.
I would have loved to do the job but I am simply too broke.
Best of luck to you know who.

Ross

Pet

all information that exists has passed through me first

Ew. Fetch me the brainbleach, please.

Bartronilic

Shouldn't Barry Murphy be organising the Trinity Ball not running for another position? I had my ticket booked already last year!

King.Penguin

What's the story with the two JCR ENTs candidates? Are they both genuine entrants? They're each others other half on bebo and freinds. Wonder what's up with that.

osd I think education is going to be hotly contested but I'd urge you to reconsider your withdrawal.

osd

King.Penguin wrote:

osd I think education is going to be hotly contested but I'd urge you to reconsider your withdrawal.

Thanks for the support but as of 5pm today the deadline for deposits closed.
I'm in a lot of debt and after repayments on my loans and credit cards from 9 years in college I would have had about e11 a day on food etc. As much as I wanted the job it would have crippled me financially.

King.Penguin

Ah well fair enough. Is a pity. Who would you give your support to now from the remaining candidates?

osd

King.Penguin wrote:

Ah well fair enough. Is a pity.

That's life!

Who would you give your support to now from the remaining candidates?

I don't think I can name the person by name (early campaigning rules I think) but I firmly believe more than a casual knowledge of the workings of the Union is vital for the education position.

Time Magazine

wesclark wrote:

I have a dozen(ish) posts on b.ie (half for research on an article and the other half arranging a football match)

One half + one half = sum total, right?

Then where does the shilling of the paper you're the Deputy Editor of come in?

xeduCat

I'd like to interrupt the fun sport of PD-baiting for a moment to recognise Ross (osd) and his announcement of his withdrawal. I had the pleasure of working alongside him for a year, and also being involved during his other terms and while I worked for USI. While his reasons for not taking part in the current elections are perfectly understandable, it's a shame that he won't have a chance to seek full-time office.

Ross is a perfect example of the kind of good, decent person who gets involved in student representation and sticks with it, plugging away at unglamorous and often thankless tasks and campaigns. Students with disabilities had a quiet but determined advocate in our long-serving OSD, and indeed some of the most important stuff that Ross did has never been and will probably never be recognised, at least in the way that organising a party (or whatever) would be.

While there'll be an awful lot of harsh words hurled around in the next few weeks about "no-one likes the SU" and "vote for me to change it" (hell, I did some of that myself in my day!), some people have shown how ignoring the cynics and just working hard (with very little credit) is a clear demonstration that there's life in student politics and student representative activities yet. Like Ross, I'm pretty sure who I'm voting for in the Education Officer race, but speaking personally (and sentimentally), I'm disappointed that I don't get to go and vote for Old Man Wynner, if even just in response for the many things that he did to help me (and others) and in hope that he'd take such dedication and decency into House 6. (Still inaccessible, as he would point out here!)

So anyway, to allow normal service to resume and the eulogies to cease, I'll leave it at that. Cheers Ross, and good luck (name of candidate withheld ).

xeduCat

xeduCat wrote:

I'd like to interrupt the fun sport of PD-baiting for a moment to recognise Ross (osd) and his announcement of his withdrawal. I had the pleasure of working alongside him for a year, and also being involved during his other terms and while I worked for USI. While his reasons for not taking part in the current elections are perfectly understandable, it's a shame that he won't have a chance to seek full-time office.

Ross is a perfect example of the kind of good, decent person who gets involved in student representation and sticks with it, plugging away at unglamorous and often thankless tasks and campaigns. Students with disabilities had a quiet but determined advocate in our long-serving OSD, and indeed some of the most important stuff that Ross did has never been and will probably never be recognised, at least in the way that organising a party (or whatever) would be.

While there'll be an awful lot of harsh words hurled around in the next few weeks about "no-one likes the SU" and "vote for me to change it" (hell, I did some of that myself in my day!), some people have shown how ignoring the cynics and just working hard (with very little credit) is a clear demonstration that there's life in student politics and student representative activities yet. Like Ross, I'm pretty sure who I'm voting for in the Education Officer race, but speaking personally (and sentimentally), I'm disappointed that I don't get to go and vote for Old Man Wynner, if even just in response for the many things that he did to help me (and others) and in hope that he'd take such dedication and decency into House 6. (Still inaccessible, as he would point out here!)

So anyway, to allow normal service to resume and the eulogies to cease, I'll leave it at that. Cheers Ross, and good luck (name of candidate withheld ).

Here here, and not just for his work for students with disabilities. There are few others who would have given that amount of their own time to help students in their time in college, and he certainly helped me out a lot in my time as Education Officer.

Best of luck to the remaining candidates.

Danger Bob

As has been pointed out above, there have been a few pull-outs. Fair play to Daithi for noting Ross's work (even if it's just because it stopped the PD baiting ). He's been a Trojan for the Union for a number of years now and it's a pity he won't be running. And as poined out, the extra work that he did outside of his brief really helped out when it was needed. Anyway, I've edited the list to reflect all withdrawals thus far. Thanks to Ibid for the Bebo links. Helps out my stalking no end.

President

Andrew Byrne
David Lorigan
John Tracey

Deputy President

Neasa McGarrigle
Claire Tighe

Education Officer

Neil McGough
Bartley Rock

Welfare Officer

Jessica Campbell
Una Faulkner
Raymond Healy
Daire McNab

Ents Officer

Robert Donohue
Barry Keane
David Lorigan
Stephen Mallon
Ed O'Riordan

Crash

...Daire paid his 60 euro?? or is that a typo.

PHB

So Barry Murphy isn't running then?

Can I ask why everybody seems to thinks John Tracey is going to win? I thought last year he got less votes than John McGuirk? What happened between now and then?

Time Magazine

PHB wrote:

So Barry Murphy isn't running then?

Can I ask why everybody seems to thinks John Tracey is going to win? I thought last year he got less votes than John McGuirk? What happened between now and then?

I imagine he'll be slaughtered by Byrne.

SOL

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054894462&page=2

So I too am wondering what John Tracey did to redeem himself from getting beaten by John Mc Guirk last year?
Or maybe the agent isn't entirely impartial and has some kind of political agenda !!!
First count

McGoldrick 101
McGuirk 351
Murtagh 826
O'Brien 78
Quinn 841
Treacy 348
RON 120

Thats less than 15% of the vote.... lol

fiveone

Ibid wrote:

Steven, if you've nothing to add other than a distasteful grunt I suggest you go to the UCD forum.

I apologise. The subtle, refined nature of trinity college hackery really is no place for insidious ejaculations. Over in UCD, SU elections are essentially popularity contests for pretty boys. Those vermin.

Stargal

Ibid wrote:

One half + one half = sum total, right?

Then where does the shilling of the paper you're the Deputy Editor of come in?

Touché Meh, he's dropped out now so guess that's the end of what could have been some sparky conversations on this thread.

Ibid why did Sean Conway drop out?

b.ie curious wrote:

I object to being called that creep's "mini-me"

Sincere apologies for that b.ie. Although you mentioned that you were at the event, I never made the connection and realised that you were the other person sitting at the table. I didn't mean to insult you. I used the 'mini-me' phrase because it was stronger than saying 'randomer', because I didn't know who you were.

printofireland

did Sean Conway drop out for Dep Pres?

If so, shame, he's quite the candidate

Danger Bob

Post above has been edited to reflect David Lorigan's decision to just run for President and Ents.

shay_562

Sorry for going massively off-topic, but:

mcguirkj wrote:

Ah, now that's just not true. I only contested one society election in my entire college career, running for Hist censor when I was in first year, which was unheard of at the time. I lost by 6-odd votes, (45-39 if memory serves), which is better than any first year who's run for an officership against a non-first year candidate before or since.

Ah, now that's just not true. Last year, Andrea Mulligan ran as a first year candidate against a second year candidate for the officership of Librarian and won. Given that you lost, I'd say that means someone has done markedly better than you as a 1st year against a non-1st year since. I don't really care enough about proving you wrong to go back and look for someone who did better before, but I'm willing to bet one exists.

Back to the race:

PHB wrote:

Can I ask why everybody seems to thinks John Tracey is going to win? I thought last year he got less votes than John McGuirk? What happened between now and then?

I'm wondering the same thing. I'm also wondering why Tracey would even run again given his resounding slaughter last year; it's not as if any of the three candidates that beat him were especially brilliant, so I can't see any reason why Andy wouldn't have that race in the bag.

did Sean Conway drop out for Dep Pres?

If so, shame, he's quite the candidate

Hear hear. As Ibid has been revealed as the source of all information on everything ever, I'm hoping for an explanation...

Time Magazine

Sean still wishes to contest the election. There may be developments soon.

Stargal

Ibid wrote:

Sean still wishes to contest the election. There may be developments soon.

What? That's very obscure. How can he contest the election if he didn't get his deposit in on time?

Sleazus

Sean's position on his exclusion from the Dep. Pres. race:

I was in Portugal with DUBES, and I told Rob that I'd be away when I dropped in the form on the Tuesday. He mentioned about the candidate's meeting on Wednesday, but none of this was mentioned to me. I'm willing to pay the deposit and have been since I got back.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with this, since no one can canvass until next week and the preparations for the election haven't really begun yet. There's no major loss to anyone in putting him on the ballot. He was validly nominated and the campaigns haven't (or shouldn't have) begun yet.

Crash

has he gotten in touch with Rob? in all fairness, there are rules to be followed, and they do need to be stuck to.

Also, ballots will be finalised for printing very soon i'm sure...

Stargal

Sleazus wrote:

Sean's position on his exclusion from the Dep. Pres. race:

Where did you get that quote from, just out of curiosity?

Sleazus

I got it from Sean himself, who doesn't have an account on here.

Bogger

Sleazus wrote:

Sean's position on his exclusion from the Dep. Pres. race:



Personally, I don't see anything wrong with this, since no one can canvass until next week and the preparations for the election haven't really begun yet. There's no major loss to anyone in putting him on the ballot. He was validly nominated and the campaigns haven't (or shouldn't have) begun yet.

...yet again, the SU (through its Electoral commission) has put bureaucracy before democracy. If Sean's not allowed back, then vote RON and vote often.

xebec

Bogger wrote:

...yet again, the SU (through its Electoral commission) has put bureaucracy before democracy. If Sean's not allowed back, then vote RON and vote often.

One of the fundamentals of democracy is that it is fair and even for everyone, for that reason rules exist, someone doesn't follow them they shouldn't be allowed in. Him being away was no excuse imo, someone could have put his deposit in for him. He should also have had the common sense to have someone represent him at the candidates meeting to make sure he complies with all rules.

xeduCat

Hrm, if the candidate and the Education Officer (as secretary to the electoral commission) had a conversation, surely the matter of a deposit would have arisen? And I remember writing very long documents that went with nomination packs, setting out the various dates. Including meetings, deposits and so on.

When you sign a nomination form, you are (unless it has changed) accepting the package of rules that regulate elections. If you sign something like that, you have an obligation to read the rules, and to ask for clarification (preferably in writing) if you're unsure about anything. It's not rocket science. I find it hard to believe that anyone could actually read the rules and then not make the necessary arrangements. But maybe I'm thinking too much like a lawyer.

shay_562

One of the fundamentals of democracy is that it is fair and even for everyone, for that reason rules exist, someone doesn't follow them they shouldn't be allowed in.

Yeah, but in this case surely an exception should/could be made? I'm not saying Sean is blameless (certainly, he should have informed himself better of the rules), but it's not as if he breached a major rule that could in any way give him an advantage. Where's the harm (beyond a simple "rules are rules") in letting him compete?

foxybrowne

Hi, the constitution seems to say that the Electoral Commission (EC) could interpret the constitution as they see fit, based on precendent and subject to a decision by the Students' Union Council subsequent to the ruling. There is a document available upon request setting out all precendents established by the EC.
So that means that if the EC has allowed a late submission of a deposit, tommorrow's SU council may accept or overrule that.

xeduCat

Last time a Council tried to interfere with the running of an election through exercising overrule power, the whole EC nearly resigned. The idea of having an independent, arms-length commission is so that except in cases of massive abuses of power, someone's right to run (and the rights of other candidates to equal treatment and consistent application of the rules) is not subject to a popular vote, but is guaranteed as a matter of law. So if anyone wants to do that, beware that you play with fire....and enjoy the fireworks.