[US] 24: Day 6, Hour 5 (10:00-11:00) [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Basq

Yeah, yeah...

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Discussion below as per usual.

Enjoy!

phreak

Jacks brother.... I remember him from season 5... Can't exactly remember what he did though in it. can anyone remind me? and was it ever mentioned in season 5 that he was his brother?

kaimera

w00t!

****ing ace! I loved the opening scenes of pure madness and folk trying to comprehend what the **** just happened. Excellent opening imo.

What a twist! Never would have seen Graham as the 'bluetooth guy' from s05. God dammit what the hell sort of family does Jack have?!

The very end, suddenly Jack has a new lease on life
"Thats not good enough...you brought this on yourself..."

If only he knew about day5...

4 more bombs are due to go off during the day, Fayed needs a new engi and Darren : Who the **** is Darren?!

Most excellent ep.

kaimera

phreak wrote:

Jacks brother.... I remember him from season 5... Can't exactly remember what he did though in it. can anyone remind me? and was it ever mentioned in season 5 that he was his brother?

Ehh...he was part of the group that were behind the whole day5 happenings.

tvnutz

woah! didn't see that twist coming. Dr romano is Jack's brother! He was the guy that was head of the group controlling the president last season wasn't he? Very interesting twist there,apart from that there wasn't much else really exciting but not a bad episode overall. to be honest we really need a double episode every week!

lafors

Yeah we definitely need 2 a week.....ah sure just release the whole series now

This ep was good, worst of the 5 so far.....worst is probably the wrong word though.

Didn't see that coming the 'bluetooth' guy as his brother, and I wonder was his dad in on it or did yer man graham kill him.
It'll be interesting to see how the guy in detention can bluff the lads about fayed.

Here's one for ya, do you think graham's son is actually Jacks son??????

Those americans need to learn to say names too, what the hell were the calling yer man graham....gram??

Roll on the next ep.

Hyzepher

lafors wrote:

Here's one for ya, do you think graham's son is actually Jacks son??????

my thoughts exactly - i'm sure thats why they had both jack and the son dressed in a grey shirt

Hyzepher

lafors

Hyzepher wrote:

my thoughts exactly - i'm sure thats why they had both jack and the son dressed in a grey shirt

Hyzepher

Ah yes a bit of that suggestive thing derren brown uses!
A bit of an awkward pause too.

Mr E

Graham's son had the worst haircut ever.

Apart from the revelation, it was a pretty weak episode.

Rovi

I'm wondering if Daddy will turn out to be this guy?

Anyone know what the 'real world' relationship between Kiefer and Donald is like? It would, I'd imagine, have a considerable bearing on whether Donald would make an appearance.

This is utter speculation on my part, by the way.

ElNino

Rovi wrote:

I'm wondering if Daddy will turn out to be this guy?

Actually it will be this guy
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000342/

Don't look at the link if you don't want to know who.

Mossy Monk

great episode but i thought that the guy who they wired up got accepted too easily

Elmo

Ok I felt they may have jumped the shark on this episode.

1. Jack is devastated after having to shoot Curtis and the bomb is set off. What does jack do? He goes and saves a guy in a helicopter?????? (Not forgetting that he has just traveled from china after months of torture, I have let that go so far).

2. Jacks' brother is Graham from Day 5, what? And lets make it look like his son may actually be Jacks' son :rolleyes:

3. Sandra Palmer find's out from Walid that they terrorist have actually been interned.

4. The President goes into the bunker without his family and it does look like the writers plan to write them in, and why didn't we hear about a wife in Day 3 when he was ready to get with Julia.

So many great characters from Day 5 where left out because they had to close Day 5.

Day 5 should have let Pres. Logan get away with what he was doing. But maybe he did...... Lets face he prob couldn't have won the election anyway.

I gave it 3/5 but if any character has to return this season its Mandy.

Sparky

Jack will need a councillor after this.

I don't think there is a councillor in the world that would be up to help however.

unkel

Outrageous! I'm still loving it

Sandra is a bit of alright, isn't she?

lafors wrote:

Here's one for ya, do you think graham's son is actually Jacks son??????

We'll know by the end of the long, long day

ixoy

Only so/so - Jack's family suddenly popping up felt contrived, although I'd love to be proved wrong and shown evidence that he was Jack's brother in S5 as opposed to retroactively writing it in.

This bringing in the family thing is a bit tiring with it going on with the Palmers too. What's in S6 - the President's cousin? Having WhatsHisFace integrate into the terrorist unit was a bit too easy, although it's hard to see how they'd have done something longer like "Sleeper Cell" and it was 24ish enough to not be too annoying..

Oh and the people running around in panic, fleeing - after 11mins? Jeez that was a quick response to the situation

riddik

whats all this about graham, his name was gray

and with regards

1. Jack is devastated after having to shoot Curtis and the bomb is set off. What does jack do? He goes and saves a guy in a helicopter?????? (Not forgetting that he has just traveled from china after months of torture, I have let that go so far).

have you not watched any other season of 24? i am as big a believer in tv series holding a note of reality, but jack has always been portrayed as a machine who switches off emotion to get the job done. in every single season

Vokes

Well his name is Graham (according to the official site) but Jack calls him Gray.

Basq

When in doubt.. Wiki:

Graham "Gray" Bauer (also spelled as Graem)

Obviously a nickname.

godtabh

Thought it was ok.

I reckon the kid most be jacks son. Whats the bets he gets kidnapped?

Is it just me or is it getting a lot more political? Dont really like that, that much

Elmo

have you not watched any other season of 24? i am as big a believer in tv series holding a note of reality, but jack has always been portrayed as a machine who switches off emotion to get the job done. in every single season

Yes I have all of them on DVD, I have been a big fan of the series since it began. Season 2 on Boards http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=79361 AFAIK cann't find season 1

But no jack wasn't the killer you make him out to be,
in DAY 1 he is trying to resuce his family,
in DAY 2 he is brought back to CTU only because they need him, he is still recovering from the death of his wife,
in DAY 3 he cries at the very end,
in DAY 4 he is not happy to show his dark side to Ms. Raines and
in DAY 5 he finds it diffucult to return and let her and Kim know he is still alive.

While he does like to the the job done he does have a heart, and I think he prob could have taken Curtis with out having to kill him.

I just thought it was too quick. IMO. I know everything has to happen in 24 but then they should have started the series a few days or weeks after Jack was freed from China.

Haven't a Clue

kearnsr wrote:

Thought it was ok.

I reckon the kid most be jacks son. Whats the bets he gets kidnapped?

Is it just me or is it getting a lot more political? Dont really like that, that much

It's just you. Season 5 was a hell of a lot more political.

I thought this was a good episode, but not a great one. Pretty shocking that yer man's Jack's brother and twas class when he decked him. I wonder does Jack know that Gray had something or other to do with all the crap happening in s5? He seemed pretty pissed off for no real reason at him.

And Wayne Palmer still doesn't look like a President. That's still stupid.

Rovi

kearnsr wrote:

I reckon the kid most be jacks son. Whats the bets he gets kidnapped?

Well, if he does and finishes up shacking up with a mad recluse or getting stalked by a cougar, we'll know which side of the family to blame for Kim's 'stoopid' gene.

riddik

now before u interpret it as the usual snappy narky replies that one always gets on boards, i'm just engaging in a friendly debate here elmo, cool? i believe u, no need to dig up old threads to confirm it, i'l take ur word whatever u say! I too am a long time 24 fan and have watched all seasons and own them on dvd, however my memory is clearly not as good as yours but i'l try my best here to remember some examples to support my argument [without sitting down to rewatch all the seasons!] if anyone else has better examples from respective seasons, please post!

season 1 - off the cuff, he takes a superior [ mason ] into his office and shoots him with a tranquilizer dart, while still only suspicious of masons actions. i find this quite ruthless, heartless, thus an example of how he switches off emotionally with only the intention of getting the job done.

season 2 -he returns to ctu and his first action is to kill and decapitate a convict with an immunity deal in order to establish a cover

season 3 - he cries, yes, but only after having ignored his emotions for the duration of the day. i didn't mean he is totally numb to feelings, rather he can opt to put off the effects until his task is achieved

i'l come back to season 4 and 5 because I simply dont have time, I have to shower n head into the palace [sigh]

Vokes

Elmo wrote:

But no jack wasn't the killer you make him out to be,
in DAY 1 he is trying to resuce his family,
in DAY 2 he is brought back to CTU only because they need him, he is still recovering from the death of his wife,
in DAY 3 he cries at the very end,
in DAY 4 he is not happy to show his dark side to Ms. Raines and
in DAY 5 he finds it diffucult to return and let her and Kim know he is still alive.

While he does like to the the job done he does have a heart, and I think he prob could have taken Curtis with out having to kill him.

Totally disagree, I think Jack is the kind of killer that riddik says he is. Its common knowledge that Jack is ex-Delta Force and would've been trained to become emotionally detached from the situation and get on with The Mission at hand.

Yes, all those things you mention show that he 'has a heart' or has moments of weakness but for a lot of it he just as quickly he gets on with it because the mission demands it, as does his training with the Delta Forces.

So, in that regard I don't think its so implausible that he kills Curtis one minute, has a mini-breakdown, and then is saving helicopter-guy the next

And about Curtis, wasn't he wearing a bullet-proof vest? plus Assad was between them, so I can't see how he could've non-fatally wounded him.

Elmo

Sorry Riddik, what I mean to say is that Jack has always shown that his job is his job and his emotions are his emotions.

There are many examples of his human side and his dark side.

I am fairly sure he never decapitate someone, he just shot that guy.

Also remember when he shot Cheppel (sp?) he wasn't happy about doing that or handing over the plane to Mason, or allowing his daughter to date Chase.

All I am saying is I feel that Jack has too much going on in the first 5 hours of this season.

Jesus now you have me agree with you. :rolleyes: This never works out for my arguements I should stop when the going is good.

They should have left the helicopter recuse out of the episode.

So, in that regard I don't think its so implausible that he kills Curtis one minute, has a mini-breakdown, and then is saving helicopter-guy the next

Are you his defence lawyer?

I just wanted to bring up an old thread. interesting to read I thought


He could have shot him in the leg or arm, where did the bullet go any way with Assad between them?????

So, in that regard I don't think its so implausible that he kills Curtis one minute, has a mini-breakdown, and then is saving helicopter-guy the next

What are you his defence lawyer?

Mossy Monk

some people look into tv shows too much

sit back and enjoy

Vokes

Ah Elmo, only just seen your post (which we did at nearly the same time!). All good points

Perhaps with Curtis he felt if he shot him in the arm it would have alos hit Assad too at that range (he had him in an arm-lock? can't remember now )

tvnutz

basquille wrote:

When in doubt.. Wiki:


Obviously a nickname.

Americans pronounce Graham as "Gram" :rolleyes:

L31mr0d

Pretty good episode I have to admit. The helicoptor on the top of the roof was pretty good, again the 24 crew blurring the line between the stuff you see in movies and in tv shows (like the plane on the motorway from last season) and wow... jacks brother, did NOT see that coming, although it feels now like a cheesy american soap opera bringing the family into it as the villians, all we need next is jacks evil twin, a few illegitimate children and an uncle with a secret oil fortune and we'll be set.

I do however think they are losing the whole point of the series which is to keep it real time. In the last 5 minutes of hour 4 Jack quit CTU because of the emotional termoil of killing his friend, in the first 5 minutes of hour 5 he's saved a person from an exploding helicopter and rejoined CTU? WTF? 10 minutes to get over that kind of anguish?

Either way, still, i'm one of those peoples that just likes to sit back and watch it, as its always entertaining, as long as you don't need the why's or how's then its a great show.

cooker3

A lot of people had said to me this episode was a bit meh before I seen it but have to say I enjoyed it. I liked the scenes featuring the aftermath of the bomb and all round I found the episode entertaining.

The twist with Jack brothers was certainly unexpected and I liked it. It would be interesting to know if the writers had this idea in mind when they wrote the character for season 5.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

One thing's bugging me, and this may well have been down to me not paying attention... but how did Fayed not get killed in the explosion?

Predicition: Logan to show up at SOME point, probbaly in jail and getting pardoned for information leading to finding a nuke!

Prediction 2: Peter MacNicol character to be president in Day 7 (if there is one!)

Kojak

The bets part of this episode was the start where there was panic on the streets and no-one had a clue what was going on.

Have to say I also didn't see the twist where Jack's brother would be the same man that was controlling President Logan in Day 5.

The informant inside the detention facility got into the group too easily, IMO.

MarkR

That josh kid had the same hair as Kim! Reckong we got some siblings.:D

Mushy

Ah, a picture of Kim. Cant believe she isnt on it anymore. And thats been a long time! Also, look at the way Jack looked at the young lad, then when he saw his brothers wife....something had to happen there.

Elmo

The bets part of this episode was the start where there was panic on the streets and no-one had a clue what was going on.

I didn't think this was all that great and everyone on boards seems to think it was good, I thought it was too contrived (I don't think I am spelling that right so it really doesn't prove my intelligence at all )

Predicition: Logan to show up at SOME point, probbaly in jail and getting pardoned for information leading to finding a nuke!

I like to think that Pres Logan got away with what he did in Day 5 and didn't run for 4 more years or was beat at the polls by Pres. Plamer.

Or prehaps Pres. Palmer switched sides, just a thought.

cooker3

Elmo wrote:

I like to think that Pres Logan got away with what he did in Day 5 and didn't run for 4 more years or was beat at the polls by Pres. Plamer.

Or prehaps Pres. Palmer switched sides, just a thought.

I know 24 is not brilliant for realism but if that is how they portrayed it, would be most ridiculous thing ever. It would be like CJ running for taioseach again after all the recent scandals.

LordBlonde

Elmo wrote:

I am fairly sure he never decapitate someone, he just shot that guy.

How can you forget one of the greatest Jack Bauer lines of all time?!

"I'm gonna need a hacksaw."

Elmo

I know 24 is not brilliant for realism but if that is how they portrayed it, would be most ridiculous thing ever. It would be like CJ running for taioseach again after all the recent scandals.

Lets face it now, we vote for CJ all the time in this country, and many would re-elect CJ espically those in his const. So many TD get returned after scandals in this country.

Look at Bush in the states. Nothing to suggest that any of scandal broke. I just want Logan to return and Marta.

How can you forget one of the greatest Jack Bauer lines of all time?!

"I'm gonna need a hacksaw."

Yeah I will have to rewatch that one, I think I remember alright.

kevmy

Good episode didn't see the Dr. Romano being Jacks brother thing I have to say. The kid is totally Jack's. As for Jack being a cold hearted killer. Thats what he is trained to be but of course he has a heart. However he only shows weaknesses when dealing with people he cares about and to a lesser extent innocent people. Jacks sudden turnaround I think was brought on by the bomb explosion. If the bomb didn't go off his breakdown prob would have continued but we have seen it time and again with Jack that when a 'situation' occurs when you have 'no time' he acts and reacts rather than standing around.
It's not beliveable in real life but it's belivable in Jacks character.

Anyway 24 is supposed to be off the wall thats the whole fun of it.

xbox-face

i didn like sutherlands acting in this installment, i think he's falling into a rut at this stage. 'blah blah blah im jack bauer' and so on