Road signs & Gaelic - time for a change?

DonkeyStyle \o/

InFront wrote:

Logic?

Go back to Vulcan you pointy-eared freak, we don't like your type around here. :mad:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

aidan_walsh wrote:

Whats the best possible reason, out of curiosity?

Logic would actually be a very good start in this country. What's it got to go with Vulcans?

With me it'd be personal interest. I certainly don't do something because a bunch of over-ethusiastic headbangers tell me I should. Gave that up when I turned 18, thank you very much.

InFront

What did Vulcan have to do with logic?

edit:
ohh Vulcans, i thought you were talking about this guy

crazy trekkies.

Corruptedmorals

I don't see a single reason to take Irish off the road signs. If anything, it helped me learn the difference between 'An t-Oirthear' and 'An t-Iarthar'. It refelects that we have our own language, what's wrong with that? Was useful during the second world war, when they took the english off the road signs as a precuation, so no-one else would know where the hell to go...

I like the Irish translation of Leixlip, Léim an Bhradáin. The Salmon Leap..random..

mike65

Whatever happened to Gheill Sli?

Mike.

Catari Jaguar

JaysusMacfeck wrote:

As Ireland moves further and further away from independence, and as the Gaelic language gradually becomes extinct, it is about time that the Gaelic clutter on our signage is phased out?

Here's a classic example. The old green sign with interesting Gaelic script, and the modern blue sign with the visually bland italics – italics which are gradually replacing all these old signs.



As a modern ex-British colony with very little Irish culture left, isn't it about time we reflect our current status as people?

It's "Gaeilge". :rolleyes:

And no.

DonkeyStyle \o/

InFront wrote:

What did Vulcan have to do with logic?

edit:
ohh Vulcans, i thought you were talking about this guy

What's that guy got to do with pointy ears?

Catari Jaguar

JaysusMacfeck wrote:

Look, this is NOT the case. MY Gaelic is ****e, it's what I remember from school.

That's your problem. Npt mine.

AN POST CAN'T DELIVER MY MAIL IN GAELIC. TWICE

Strange how all Gaelscoils send out student/pupil letters with the addresses AS GAEILGE isn't it?

Wait, Gaeilge is dead, we have Gaelscoils???

And why is your post name with "Mac" in it? Sure, if you want place names out and the language out, why don't we all change the remaining Irish names to English too!?

So you can be Jaysus "Son of" Feck

InFront

DonkeyStyle \o/ wrote:

What's that guy got to do with pointy ears?

His name is Vulcan. Roman Myth.

Corruptedmorals

Lil Kitten wrote:

Strange how all Gaelscoils send out student/pupil letters with the addresses AS GAEILGE isn't it?

Yep, was in the gaeltacht twice and both times had to have all of my letters addressed to me in Irish, my name and all. No problem.

Catari Jaguar

For whoever wrote that about 0.0002% of the population speak Irish read this.

Also whoever wrote that Irish wasn't an official language of EU/Ireland.

And for those complaining about the price of translating things.

Not to get off topic, how much do you think is spent on hiring Language teachers for foreign children in schools and translating official documents into Polish etc.??

Irish

Although the Irish language has been one of the official languages of the European Union only since January 1, 2007, it is the Republic of Ireland's first official language, and has minority-language status in Northern Ireland. Since the Republic of Ireland's accession to the European Economic Community (now the European Union) in 1973, EU treaties have been published and authenticated in Irish - as an official treaty language - as well as the EU official languages, and one has been able to make written submissions to Union institutions in Irish. On 13 June 2005, following a unanimous decision by EU foreign ministers, it was announced that Irish would be made the 21st official language of the EU but a derogation stipulates that not all documents have to be translated into Irish as is the case with the other official languages. [7] [8]The decision means that legislation approved by both the European Parliament and the Council of Ministers will now be translated into Irish, and interpretation from Irish will be available at European Parliament plenary sessions and some Council meetings. The new arrangements came into effect on 1 January 2007. The cost of translation, interpretation, publication and legal services involved in making Irish an official EU language is estimated at just under €3.5 million a year.[9] The derogation will be reviewed in four years and every five years thereafter.

Irish is the only official language of the Union that is not the most widely spoken language in any member state - 2002 census figures show that in the Republic of Ireland there are 1,570,894 speakers of Irish out of a population of 4,351,292, though only 350,000 use Irish every day. It is also estimated that 165,000 people in Northern Ireland can speak Irish. There are small but slowly growing diaspora communities that speak Irish around the world, the largest being in the United States, with 25,000 Irish speakers. [10]

joebhoy1916

JaysusMacfeck wrote:

the majority of Irish people dislike Gaelic.

I wouldn't really agree with that. All classes when your growing up are In english besides Irish which I can remember doing feck all of so It's hard for alot of people to take to irish. Whereas If more of It was learned and spoke people would like It.

That census means sh!t to be honest. I doubt 1,570,894 speak Irish. Here Is your form tick this box If you can speak Irish the guy who cant speak a word of english sure what the hell ill tick It anyway's.

25,000 In America speak Irish you do you honestly think that would be right?

DonkeyStyle \o/

InFront wrote:

His name is Vulcan. Roman Myth.

Were his ears pointy?
You know what, let's just agree to disagree.
We could argue about Romulan myths till the cows come home, but frankly I don't see the logic.

InFront

No they weren't pointy, but there just happens to be a figure of Roman mythology called Vulcan. I'm not much of a Trekkie so when you said:

Go back to Vulcan you pointy-eared freak

I thought you meant
this guy
when of course you meant
that guy
Now that I get the joke... LOL.

What language do Vulcans speak? Maybe all signage could be translated into that.

hey what about translating signage into Polish?!
(ducks)

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

How about we have trilingual road signs - English, Klingon and Irish?

InFront

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

How about we have trilingual road signs - English, Klingon and Irish?

I don't see the benefits in roadsigns at all. Surely half the fun is the mystery of not knowing.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Once you cross the Shannon that's usually the case anyway. You get used to it.

OfflerCrocGod

VinnyL wrote:

our native languae is irish, our spoken language is english

Our native language is the one we speak from birth - the one we are using right now. Our native language is English and one of our official languages is Irish. That's what Irish is in reality an official language, nothing more.

OfflerCrocGod

InFront wrote:

Logic?

No. Common sense.

InFront

Sounds good to me.

DonkeyStyle \o/

InFront wrote:

when of course you meant
that guy

Actually I meant the Vulcan home world of Vulcan.

What language do Vulcans speak?

Only being a lesser Trek nerd, I don't know... perhaps the language is also 'Vulcan'? ... it all sounds the same to me, what with universal translators and such.

nesf

JaysusMacfeck wrote:

English is still the prefereable language in Ireland, the majority of Irish people dislike Gaelic.

Please don't confuse your, or your friends', view with the rest of the country's and please don't phrase it as a sweeping generalistion purporting to be a fact, that's simply trolling mate.

Random

Leave it on the signs if it helps those who only know the Irish place names find their way around, but not because we're trying to keep the constitution happy.

I agree with that other poster who reckons every place should have only one name .. why confuse the issue? It's hard enough to get a GPS map of Ireland as it is!

JustCoz

JaysusMacFeck wrote:

As a modern ex-British colony with very little Irish culture left, isn't it about time we reflect our current status as people?

Very little culture? That remark is laughable. And it's Gaeilge or Irish, not Gaelic. Also when I voted the majority were voting for the signs to be restored with the two languages the same size.:p

dceire

Leave it as it is, Irish will always be part of our culture and heritage no matter how much or little of the language is spoken here. Even if you have no affection for the language its not a big deal to overlook the irish on the sign's it is in english too you know!

I speek very very little irish, i think the way its taught in schools is crippling the language i hated doing it in school but now plan on doing night classes in irish as soon as i leave college and actually have the time! All in all leave the irish on the sign's!

ScumLord

^^Same as^^ Hated Irish in school it was literally beatin into me and I wouldn't learn a word of it, now I wish I had.

Slutmonkey57b

Coileach dearg wrote:

I really wish I could have a face to face conversation with the likes of you to find out your morals.
Imagine, this is the kind of Country Ireland has become. I feel sorry for you to be honest.

What the fck does language have to do with morality? There are no shortage of immoral Irish-spouting child raping priests out there you know. Has it occurred to you that a lot of peoples' hostility towards Irish is a direct result of the kind of fascist reaction you've just had? The kind of country Ireland has "become" is one in which Child abuse isn't swept under the rug "for the good of the church", corruption is exposed (though obviously nothing is actually done about it, this still being Ireland), and people of different religions, sexualities and nationalities aren't burned at the village crossroads. (obviously that's not to say they're welcomed). If you think that's all the "fault" of the English speaking hoards, then you're welcome to your visions of united catholic gaelic speaking Ireland.

PS: Dev was a yank and Irish was invented by the Gaelic League in the 1800's.
PPS: The Gaelic League was led by anglo irish proddies. Have a nice day.

nesf

Slutmonkey57b wrote:

PS: Dev was a yank and Irish was invented by the Gaelic League in the 1800's.

Stanardised sure, but a) the language existed before and b) standardisation is not uncommon in many languages (happened to English, German, French etc) and doesn't invalidate the languages existence.

You could say that English was 'invented' for instance if you want to call standardised langauges fake or something.

wow sierra

Go raibh míle maith agat OP as ucht an spreagadh a thug tú do chuile dhuine cás ár dteanga dhúchais a phlé. An shuimiúil ar fad.

Tá na comharthaí ceart go leor mar atá siad. Níl an Ghaeilge marbh. Tá an chultúr an láidir agus tá sé an tabhachtach gach cultúr a choimead beo sa saol nua-aimsirtha. Bhéadh an saol an leadránach gan éagsúlacht.


Thanks a million OP for inspiring this discussion of the state of our language. Very interesting indeed.

The signs are fine as they are. Irish isnt dead. The culture is strong and it is very important to keep every culture alive in modern society. Life would be very boring without variety.

Bon nuit, beunos noches

Coileach dearg

Coileach dearg wrote:

You complete dickhead. Have you a shred of shame in that airhead of yours. Irish is my first language and I am proud to be able to speak it.
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Way to start your argument.Seeming as you have a grasp of 2 languages.Maybe you should learn how to use them properly without resorting to petty stupid name calling.