PS3 & Ireland on Last Word now!

monument

Today FM’s The Last Word will have a bit on the PS3 and it’s price in Ireland after the adverts/news headlines – not sure what or who is on it. (will update)

savemejebus

Thanks for the heads up monument, pretty lame segment thought. The girl seemed pretty illinformed about just about everything.

monument

savemejebus wrote:

Thanks for the heads up monument, pretty lame segment thought. The girl seemed pretty illinformed about just about everything.

In all fairness her views are similar to what you’ll get from many tech/games/general journalists

It just makes me want re-read Rob Fahey’s comment bit about western media’s reporting of the console war… http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=18765

...Nothing new (or really interesting tbh), stated to talk about blu-ray and porn (Sony are fools with that, and so are the porn industry for wanting to film in HD).

The point was made that there was really no other console at the PS launch (although it was said Sega had one) and it’ll be different this time with the Xbox 360.

So, at PS launch, all the tech heads were saying Sega’s Dreamcast was crap and the Xbox 360, relatively, is so much better then it??? Strange.

savemejebus

I had a long post written out about her in-accuracies but i re-read it and it could have been construed as being fanboyish so thought the better of posting it .

I really wish they'd have had a couple of good journos on it, who'd done their research, and maybe invited sony and MS reps on. I think it's an interesting topic that should really get more time when you consider the money being spent on games and consoles these days.

Retr0gamer

monument wrote:

...Nothing new (or really interesting tbh), stated to talk about blu-ray and porn (Sony are fools with that, and so are the porn industry for wanting to film in HD).

I know. Who really wants to see a close up of a ravished gowl in glorious 1080p?

swalsh

Retr0gamer wrote:

I know. Who really wants to see a close up of a ravished gowl in glorious 1080p?

jebus, what a comment

koneko

savemejebus wrote:

Thanks for the heads up monument, pretty lame segment thought. The girl seemed pretty illinformed about just about everything.

Didn't tune in myself, what kind of stuff did they/she say?

flogen

Retr0gamer wrote:

I know. Who really wants to see a close up of a ravished gowl in glorious 1080p?

I didn't hear the segment, but wanted to post to say "Comment of the year tbh" to that fine piece of work.

Kudos, Retr0, kudos.

Retr0gamer

Surprised myself with that one. I thought adding HR giger-esque would have been a bit OTT.

K.O.Kiki

Retr0gamer wrote:

Surprised myself with that one. I thought adding HR giger-esque would have been a bit OTT.

... you can stop now. You've won.

savemejebus

koneko wrote:

Didn't tune in myself, what kind of stuff did they/she say?

There were two people(guy and a gal) on with the presenter. I'm pretty sure I heard the presenter say the guy was from PC Live magazine but I didn't hear what publication the girl was afilliated with.

They spent most of their time talking about the price and would people pay it (yes was the consensus I think) and what made the PS3 so expensive (blu-ray). It came around to the host asking something like "is it worth it" and the girl said she didn't think so as the xbox could do everything the ps3 could do but for €400 and that HD-DVD would win the format war because Sony banned pron from Blu-Ray. The guy tried to correct her about Sony DADC refusing to manufacture (press) Blu-Ray pron discs at their facilities, not banning it). There was some to-ing and fro-ing about the backers of each format and the girl then pointed out that MS were backing HD-DVD and thats why it was built-in to the Xbox 360 (yep she said there was a hd-dvd drive built into the 360 for €400).

At the end of the segment the host asked which console would they prefer and the girl chose xbox 360 while the guy said he liked the "gritty, realistic" (does this mean less polished?) graphics of the PS3.

Jip

savemejebus wrote:

the girl then pointed out that MS were backing HD-DVD and thats why it was built-in to the Xbox 360 (yep she said there was a hd-dvd drive built into the 360 for €400).

To be fair, she never actually said that. She did say something along the lines that the 360 comes up HD-DVD, she never said it was built in nor did she clarify it was an extra.
Anyway, the 2 of them weren't 100% sure about what they were talking about. As you said, he said the thinks the PS3 is better because of the graphics and believes people will flock to the PS3 no matter what the cost, he obviously is out of touch with the general consensus amongts many people.

savemejebus

I'm pretty sure that she actually said that HD-DVD was what Microsoft had "built in to the xbox 360".

monument

Jip wrote:

As you said, he said the thinks the PS3 is better because of the graphics and believes people will flock to the PS3 no matter what the cost, he obviously is out of touch with the general consensus amongts many people.

Is he really wrong?

The way it normally goes is early adapters will buy it at the a high price (ie “flock to the PS3 no matter what the cost”) then a few more buy as time goes by and then the price is dropped and more buy and drops again and more buy. Microsoft hasn’t got a large market share in Ireland or most of the rest of the world, bar North America, so I’m not sure how you can claim he is wrong without backing it up.

But if you're talking about the general consensus amongst hardcore Xbox gamers that's fine, as there isn't many of them in Ireland*.

(* or they are not buying many games, which should be the same thing to MS)

Stephen

I wonder how exactly they calculate how many people in Ireland are buying xbox 360 games anyway? I get all of mine from the interweb.

ambro25

monument wrote:

The way it normally goes is early adapters will buy it at the a high price (ie “flock to the PS3 no matter what the cost”) then (etc.)

Sorry to correct you, but this time around, even early adopters in the land of early adopters are giving PS3 a miss...

...which is good, in my book (and I fully accept that it's not in others!)

sprinkles

I really dislike the crap that these so called Game Jouro's spout on about. Every show I've seen have had a segment about the 360/wii/PS3 have gotten most of the facts wrong. They also seems to sensationalise the graphics and it appears that that's all that matters in the long run. Why can't they get someone to write a piece who has actually researched the topic or if possible has some interest int he topic and therefore would probably have followed the development over the past number of years. But alas they are happy to rely on so called journalists that merely read the press release that Sony or MS churn out and perhaps if we're very lucky a biased blog.

monument

Stephen wrote:

I wonder how exactly they calculate how many people in Ireland are buying xbox 360 games anyway? I get all of mine from the interweb.

Don't know what sites you use or buy from, but Play.com and CDwow sales are recorded by ChartTrack for the Irish charts.

ambro25 wrote:

Sorry to correct you, but this time around, even early adopters in the land of early adopters are giving PS3 a miss...

...which is good, in my book (and I fully accept that it's not in others!)

Sorry, that's banned from the behind the firewall where I am.

But, just to make it clear, one way or another I wouldn’t be quick to call the console war winner at this stage and would question any body who would. But there’s nothing wrong with pointing out established trends.

sprinkles wrote:

I really dislike the crap that these so called Game Jouro's spout on about. Every show I've seen have had a segment about the 360/wii/PS3 have gotten most of the facts wrong.

If you're talking about mainstream radio or TV shows it's often tech jouros rather then games jouros.

sprinkles wrote:

They also seems to sensationalise the graphics and it appears that that's all that matters in the long run. Why can't they get someone to write a piece who has actually researched the topic or if possible has some interest int he topic and therefore would probably have followed the development over the past number of years.

"They also seems to sensationalise the graphics" - sounds like common internet talk.

sprinkles wrote:

But alas they are happy to rely on so called journalists that merely read the press release that Sony or MS churn out and perhaps if we're very lucky a biased blog.

Interesting.

ambro25

monument wrote:

But, just to make it clear, one way or another I wouldn’t be quick to call the console war winner at this stage and would question any body who would. But there’s nothing wrong with pointing out established trends.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not 'calling the console war winner at this stage' since, realistically, considering the investment Sony have put into BlueRay and PS3, they're bound to push&push&push&push&... until it either takes, or it gives altogether. So no, I'm certainly not writing off PS3 and Sony yet.

I've long admitted on these here Boards Forums that I'm far from enamoured of Sony, so for them to take a bloody nose would be -

(i) vindication for my earlier rants, which still stand (PS3 is overspecced, overhyped, overpriced and Sony have had a terminal case of the blinkers for a while now - to the customer's expense... and their own, as it looks like it's slowly & predictably turning out)

(ii) an object-lesson in listening to customers and not forcing white elephant features down their throats

(iii) just retribution for the corporate bullying they started with PSP and furthered with PS3 upon grey importers (Lik Sang and others not-so-high-profiled before them), when in fairness Sony 'owes' these guys a lot from the PS1, PS2 and PSX days (and PS3 might even have had a much better start and hype had they still been around, but now we'll never know - typical case of Sony's continuing to cut its nose to spite its face).

But for all the above, I certainly wouldn't like the lesson to be so painful as to lead Sony to exit the market.

In the end, I think it might just be a case of the players' different strategies in effect cancelling the "console generation" paradigm altogether, and that's what we're presently witnessing, and what I mean is:
* PS3 with a shelf life of 5 or 6 years,
* XB360 with a shelf life of 3 or 4 years and XB720 coming out halfway-ish through the PS3 lifecycle,
* Wii with a shelf life of 2 years, and a new better diminutive console coming out every 2 years (Poo, Barf, etc...)

...kinda thing :rolleyes: , so much so that it's a bit redundant to talk of "winners" and "losers". At the end of the day, if Sony calls it quits there won't be any other "war losers" than PS3 buyers, and that would be a bad thing for everyone, not just them.

Still, Sony needs to start selling consoles in some quantity, because of the 3 players, they're the most in the red to start with.

thebman

I'm surprised they had anyone to say they preferred the 360. Anything I've read in Ireland pretty much declares the Playstation franchise to be god and denies anything else exists. Which is why I mostly read online for information.

I saw an article a while ago after E3 that said PS3 would dominate the console industry even at a high price point due to a lack of competition.

MisterAnarchy

I presume the female Journalist on the Last Word is the usual Technology spot girl on a Thursday evening.
She hasnt a clue to be honest.Not a clue of what she is waffling about.

BlitzKrieg

I had a friend over last night and he's put money down on the ps3...when I asked him why he said the thought of someone else having it and him not was too much...


Also he was convinced devil may cry 4 was a launch title.

just thought I'd add that to give some colour to the people who are fetting a ps3 at launch.


what sony needs is confirmation. And they are starting to do that.

Too many of Sony's main titles are in launch date limbo...if they can get kojima, square enix, capcom etc to get up and say the exact dates the AAA titles will hit the shelves it will make getting early adaptors much much easier. I get the impression thats the reason behind the slack in america and japan in sales...too many of the big titles are rumoured to be going multi-platform or have little or no confirmation.

but with the recent final fantasy 13 advert and the upcoming demo it seems things should get better for them.

Retr0gamer

I wouldn't expect anything on the PS3 decent for at least 9 months (and that can be said about any console at launch). We have had the FFX and FFXII demoes well over a year before launch so don't be surprised if we don't see it well into 2008.

MisterAnarchy

Retr0gamer wrote:

I wouldn't expect anything on the PS3 decent for at least 9 months (and that can be said about any console at launch).

What about Mario 64 on the N64 and Twilight Princess on the Wii to name a few .2 great games.

BlitzKrieg

what about the huge drought that followed both of those titles?

gamer

PS3 is too expensive,hard to program for,it has similar graphics to the 360.There seems to be only 3 good games out on it at present, the early adopters are going for the 360,no one knows if blue ray will be a success.SONY have a history of bringing out formats that fail, umd video etc LOOK at supercd ,that failed, the public decided the standard cds,or mp3 is all i need.Most of the time the public gos for cost convenience as against the most technically advanced format or device .The most advanced technology does not always win.IM not going to be going out and replacing my dvds with hddvds even if they were avaidable.Blue ray could end up being used by pros only or as a storage medium for pcs .It could be a niche product for techies.
Maybe its the next laserdisc ,for those who,ll pay anything for films in hd format.

steviec

Not to mention Zelda is a Gamecube game.

Maybe Sony should have arranged to have one of the dozens of top class PS2 games out in the last year or two to be a PS3 launch game with tarted up graphics.

BlitzKrieg

Maybe Sony should have arranged to have one of the dozens of top class PS2 games out in the last year or two to be a PS3 launch game with tarted up graphics.

Gran Turismo HD?

Ciaran500

Not a game, just a demo

BlitzKrieg

yeah just checked that.

not a fan so didnt keep track.

But it was gonna be

assets from GT4 boosted in quality and resolution and converted to the PS3 platform

until it got cancelled and changed into a demo.

Curious as to why the change?

Retr0gamer

Probably to avoid an outcry when people realise they have just been sold the same game again.