PS3 & Ireland on Last Word now!

projectmayhem

gamer wrote:

PS3 is too expensive,hard to program for,it has similar graphics to the 360.There seems to be only 3 good games out on it at present, the early adopters are going for the 360,no one knows if blue ray will be a success.SONY have a history of bringing out formats that fail, umd video etc LOOK at supercd ,that failed, the public decided the standard cds,or mp3 is all i need.Most of the time the public gos for cost convenience as against the most technically advanced format or device .The most advanced technology does not always win.IM not going to be going out and replacing my dvds with hddvds even if they were avaidable.Blue ray could end up being used by pros only or as a storage medium for pcs .It could be a niche product for techies.
Maybe its the next laserdisc ,for those who,ll pay anything for films in hd format.

i thought this forum had left this kind of stuff behind. but i'll address you, and try my best to look good for the Sony suits that constantly loom behind me when i type.

1. i'm very glad you've had time to use the new SN Systems debug system. SN Systems, the people that let you program Sega & Nintendo machines in the past. you know, the ones that have a great reputation, so Sony went and bought them? or are you just following the forum fodder that goes on?

2. for a machine to be out a year and only manage "similar" graphics to a machine that's out about 2 months is some feat, don't you think?

3. 3 good games at present? maybe true, but i enjoyed two games when i got my 360 at launch, cod2 and halo2. the figures for xbl proved i wasn't alone. but hey, 360 has great games now... and there are less 360 debug kits out there then ps3 ones. i'm sure those 3 good games will be joined soon.

4. while Sony has an awful history with formats, at some point you have to get it right. so far i think blu-ray has looked very good, and it's out-selling hd-dvd (no doubt helped by ps3 in america). the only flub i can see there is the porn industry not supporting it. even if blu-ray ends up as a niche product, it'll justify the means. do you use mindiscs? probably not, but it's a format that's supported worldwide by the radio industry, generating profit for Sony.

BlitzKrieg

3. 3 good games at present? maybe true, but i enjoyed two games when i got my 360 at launch, cod2 and halo2. the figures for xbl proved i wasn't alone. but hey, 360 has great games now... and there are less 360 debug kits out there then ps3 ones. i'm sure those 3 good games will be joined soon.

Which brings us back to my point with the little nugget of when?

Not only do none of Sony's big hitters have confirmed release dates...but its current big hitters are either being consistenly delayed (Moterstorm, Lair and heavenly sword...originally launch titles...now slipping further and further down the tube) or going multi-platform (virtua fighter 5)


Now to be honest I felt the 360 suffered the exact same problem at its launch. In fact like retrogamer said all consoles I have ever bought except one (Saturn and thats a matter of personal taste) suffered from this. But more so then any other console at this very moment Sony needs to hit the ground running They need to reassure everyone the playstation brand still stands for games so they either need excelllent new software or they need the titles associated with playstation to be out reminding joe public this is why they buy playstation. Which is something despite its poor launch selection the PS2 did do. There was a tekken game, tekken tag as a launch title...it wasnt a brilliant game but tekken is a symbol of the playstation and they need it or one of the other hallmarks of sony there at launch...and only at Sony.

The Tekken 5 download thats sold online should be bundled on the hard drive of every unit sold in europe that or Gran Turismo HD...or both. Seriously that will ship more units of the PS3 in europe regardless of price.

I mean marketing cant f*ck that up. 'Your paying 620 euros for the thing...but its bundled with the absolute best version of tekken available anywhere and not only that but a very extensive demo of the next Gran Turismo.'

It'd be like mario brothers and duck hunt on the nes. It be better then Taladega nights anyway and prob be cheaper on sony. Leaving those two to be purely online at the moment is a risk seeing as taking your consoles online is nowhere near the size in Ireland and UK as it is in the US so I doubt tekken will get the same exposure if it stays hidden there when it should be bang centre on every PS3 box.

it'll have the same affect as wii sports did for the wii.

and it's out-selling hd-dvd (no doubt helped by ps3 in america)

but there are more movies available in hd-dvd which in a format war will have a bigger impact in bringing customers onto a format then which one has more sales...which is the goal right now with both formats (and what the PS3 is meant to be doing.)

do you use mindiscs? probably not, but it's a format that's supported worldwide by the radio industry, generating profit for Sony.

something nobody denies but the industry (despite what some PR blunders say) will not be using ps3 the consumer will be...and a format that looses in the consumer market will be a heavy costly burdon on the console. One thats fixable but also time consuming.

projectmayhem

BlitzKrieg wrote:

The Tekken 5 download thats sold online should be bundled on the hard drive of every unit sold in europe that or Gran Turismo HD...or both. Seriously that will ship more units of the PS3 in europe regardless of price.

100% agree. there's a lot of hype around the machine, but a lot of people who want it simply won't fork out €630. two games on the hard-drive would sway their vote as well as hammer home the point that the ps3 can stick "better" games on the hard-drive in comparison to the 360.

BlitzKrieg wrote:

but there are more movies available in hd-dvd which in a format war will have a bigger impact in bringing customers onto a format then which one has more sales...which is the goal right now with both formats (and what the PS3 is meant to be doing.)

after CES last week, blu-ray got a big boost with 50 new titles a month, with major new support from warner brothers, releasing stuff on blu-ray both exclusively and giving blu-ray timed exclusives.

BlitzKrieg wrote:

something nobody denies but the industry (despite what some PR blunders say) will not be using ps3 the consumer will be...and a format that looses in the consumer market will be a heavy costly burdon on the console. One thats fixable but also time consuming.

if blu-ray looses in the consumer market, it'll be a massive loss for Sony, no doubt, but i don't think it's a loss for PS3. if the worst comes to the worst, Sony can just release a HD-DVD add-on, or just let third parties release one (to avoid "admitting" defeat) or just ride it out for another 2 or 3 years for the PS4 (though i don't think there will be a PS4... i suspect a name change in their console division).

if HD-DVD wins the war (and tbh, i think DVD will win the movie war), the fact still remains that far more information can be shoved onto a blu-ray disc, and that's good for playstation, and PC.

LookingFor

Sorry if I'm late to the party, but..

Retr0gamer wrote:

I wouldn't expect anything on the PS3 decent for at least 9 months (and that can be said about any console at launch).

I see plenty on day one. These will vary according to taste, but I'd pick out:

Resistance: Fall of Man
MotorStorm
Virtua Tennis 3
Formula One Championship Edition
Ridge Racer 7
Virtua Fighter 5
The Elder Scrolls lV: Oblivion

And on the downloadable side:

Tekken: Dark Resurrection
Blast Factor
flOw
Gripshift

This "PS3 has no good games" nonsense is purely just that. On day one in Europe you will have the best next-gen FPS game to date (and IMO, the best online console FPS ever), the best next-gen fighting game to date, the best next-gen RPG to date and the best next-gen off-roader to date (if not the best next-gen racing game fullstop). Along with a slew of others. 3 of those "bests" are exclusive, at least at launch, the fourth being multiplatform - which is an irrelevance to anyone who doesn't already own a 360, which is, let's face it, most people. Something like Oblivion doesn't make any less of a contribution to the PS3 catalogue than the 360 catalogue for the vast majority of people - people for whom next-gen is entirely new. Ditto going forward - GTA may no longer be time exclusive to PS3, but the only place to get GTA and Final Fantasy and Gran Turismo and Singstar and Assassin's Creed and Resistance and Wipeout and... is PS3. If you discount multiplatform games, every system's library begins to look less robust, but PS3 has a combination of multiplatform and exclusive stuff that is hard to argue with. Even just on day one, it makes for what is perhaps the strongest launch line-up ever IMO.

When you extend your argument 9 months past launch, things just become farcical.

BlitzKrieg - on Blu-ray/HD-DVD, the number of US releases til the end of March on Blu-ray outnumbers that on HD-DVD by a significant margin - 47 vs 16 - as does their appeal. The momentum on both the releases front and the sales front is firmly behind Blu-ray now (latest sales data out of the US shows Blu-ray outselling HD-DVD by well over 2:1 so far in 07).

Retr0gamer

Resistance looks like it's getting cautious reviews which suggests a bit of launch day overrating since it's the only FPS out at the moment. I think I'll stick with the glorious Rainbox 6 Vegas thank you very much. Motorstorm looks like it could be great and I'm surprised at the good reviews but for me it's nowhere near enough to entice me. The rest of the games are available on the Xbox 360 or are uninteresting. Flow could be great but it's not something that would sell a console.

Best launch line-up ever? It's just as uninteresting as any other.

LookingFor

Retr0gamer wrote:

Resistance looks like it's getting cautious reviews which suggests a bit of launch day overrating since it's the only FPS out at the moment. I think I'll stick with the glorious Rainbox 6 Vegas thank you very much.

Resistance is not the only FPS out on PS3. There'll be two others accompanying it at launch.

Resistance got great reviews. It's pretty much tied with CoD3 and R6 on gamerankings.com as the best reviewed FPS so far on the next-gen systems, but even that undervalues it IMO. It's the closest a console FPS has come to replicating a great PC FPS experience online and that's what differentiates it and gives it legs beyond those other two. Rock solid 40-player matches with zero lag and a huge level of customisation, and for free. It has set the bar for an online console FPS, in my opinion, and even despite the critical acclaim I think it is underrated actually. Neither CoD3's or R6's online play compares favourably.

Retr0gamer wrote:

The rest of the games are available on the Xbox 360 or are uninteresting.

Uninteresting to you, perhaps, but the 360 point is one I've already addressed. Availability on 360 is meaningless to people who don't have a 360 i.e. most people, so please try and look beyond your own minority perspective. You can't write off great multiplatform games just like that, since they're an intrinsic part of any system's offering - and that's always been the case, not just with the new systems. The point is that you can get them and whatever else a system is offering uniquely..and the PS3's mix isn't to be sniffed at.