Debate: America is defending democracy.

smokingman

Of course they're defending democracy!

Mind you, as Clinton might have said, "that depends on your definition of democracy"

tolosenc

Can anyone answer me this:
Is the USA PATRIOT Act 2001 undemocratic and entirely hypocritical? And if so, how?

Terry

link, please.

tolosenc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

It's rather long winded.

Capt'n Midnight

Don't forget the US spread Democracy by supporting Saddam in the past.

How many Latin American countries can you name where the US hasn't intervened in - in most cases on the side of dictators or against the wishes of the electorate. Similarily for south east asia.

Iraq has gone form a secular society with problems , now it's becoming an islamist state with even worse problems.

InFront

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

Don't forget the US spread Democracy by supporting Saddam in the past.

How many Latin American countries can you name where the US hasn't intervened in - in most cases on the side of dictators or against the wishes of the electorate. Similarily for south east asia.

Exactly, if you ask Afghans or Pakistanis for example why they still hated Saddam up until his hanging, the answer you'll often hear is that he was an Americanist sell-out, a traitor. How quickly some people forget those things.

faceman

Hey OP, dont forget to come back and let us all know how it goes.

tolosenc

Will do, faceman. It's on the 15th. So check back on the 16th for updates.

Seth Brundle

I can't recall if the Florida elextions were mentioned but read these:
http://www.thinkingpeace.com/Lib/lib052.html
http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/f911reader/index.php?id=16
http://cagreens.org/alameda/city/0803myth/myth.html

How can a country that elieves itself to be very democratic allow this?

tolosenc

Thank yu all for your help, but unfortunately, my team didn't win. There were two teams for each side, and the other team arguing our side won. Unfairly, in my opinion. We were caught out by the judges reasoning that the key word was "are" rather than "defending" or "democracy". Ah well

Pythia

Is this for the Gael Linn debate? My brother had exactly the same title for his debate.

tolosenc

Yes, indeed it was.

Pythia

obl wrote:

Yes, indeed it was.

Out in Lucan?

tolosenc

Yeah, was your brother from Sanford Park?

InFront

Haha, Pythia you could have been giving your brother tip-offs!

Terry

Fix.
I demand a recount.

All posts have been archived.

InFront

Indeed, obl if you're feeling anyway bitter, this is your chance!

the_syco

Wanna test your latest weapon? Test it in someone else's back yard. Do it during a war. No war? Make one.

imeddyhobbs

Before i start i would just like to say that i have not read many replys to this thread.

But lets just think about it for a minutes,democracy that is.

In a developed democratic society like what we are living in here in Ireland its
NOT possible for all people in the world,FACT.

Every household in the world can not have at least one car,Its not possible because of simple things like that we dont have enough natural resources for all of us
I cant belive that anyone belives that we can all have what we want and that we can all live live in sphere that we call democracy,the planet is struggling to cope with the pollution that a small percentage of Its inhabitants create at the moment so lets drop this idea of democracy for all
DEMOCRACY IS NOT SUSTAINABLE
So why is it pushed upon us?
Its not!take a look at the african continent
DEMOCRACY IS PUSHED ON US
It is !take a look at the efford in Iraq
Its not!OK south America
Aww c,mon democracy is forced upon us
No it's not :Syria...we like Coke
What are we going to do tonight bwain..(Pakistan)...same thing as we do every night pinky...try to take over the world

InFront

Syria/ Coke/ Democracy... what?!

Terry

boards + 4AM + unreadable posts = someone being drunk.

Overheal

The real corruption in America stems from the media and runs as far as its education system; keeping people either misinformed or non-informed about the world as a whole, imo. Terror Alert: Elevated srpings to mind instantly. Why 'Elevated'? That implies to the average Joe that the terror alert has just risen or something; you couldnt say Medium, Moderate, or what we all know to be true "The same as it always has been".

Then there's the US military superiority. You have to appreciate at some point the sheer brilliance of it to be truthfully honest: Military advancement can bring real world results. Unfortunately during times of war (wars that are engaged IMO simply to justify military spending) they spend even more money getting them out of situations they ironically aren't prepared for: You would think that since one of the last times the US got its hands dirty in a uniformed war was back during the Cold War, they wouldve learned a thing or two about fighting terrorism, but unfortunately non-uniformed aggressors are tricky bastards.

9/11: I can't say IMO wether or not the US or the terrorists were really behind the attack; but I'm still haunted by the Free-fall Collapse Theory.
Either way, America was presented with an extremely disturbed population and within 2/3 days polls showed the vast majority called for war.

Its no secret that America profited from this as its no decret that America benefits from installing dictatorships in the Third World: Protectionsism is of course one way to subvert their economic development but sending in someone to stir up a civil war thats even better: you can set them back for decades or more.

This is exactly what happened with Saddam IMHO; he was planted to create instability to make the area more profitable to foreign investment. However, when he became too large and perhaps even with the ability to commit invasion, thats when you have to pluck them out, add democracy etc. so the First World doesnt really fully understand whats going on.

Thats why the US didnt really get involved in.... **** I can't remember the 2 countries; both of them firing rockets at eachother over some POWs. It was beneficial to let them destroy eachother's infrastructures: who do you think is going to move in later and repair the damage? 1st World commercial interests: US construction crews, etc.

anyway thats enough filling for one post.