Wekend Prem Thread (scores included)

astrofool

I think what happens in Henry's case is that he's completely hippocritical in alot of these situations. He'll give out about diving, then fall like a pansy clutching his face to "win" a free kick. He goads Kirkland about time wasting, then Lehmann does the exact same. At least someone like Zidane or Cantona or Keane doesn't try and hide what they did, and have double standards about it. That's the reason he'll never be a true great, which is unfortunate, as he has the talent to do so.

Carcharodon

astrofool wrote:

I think what happens in Henry's case is that he's completely hippocritical in alot of these situations. He'll give out about diving, then fall like a pansy clutching his face to "win" a free kick. He goads Kirkland about time wasting, then Lehmann does the exact same. At least someone like Zidane or Cantona or Keane doesn't try and hide what they did, and have double standards about it. That's the reason he'll never be a true great, which is unfortunate, as he has the talent to do so.

See where your coming from but I dont think Lehmann and Kirklands timewasting should reflect on Henrys character.
Would Keane not be seen as a bit of a hypocrit for some of hes antics over the years, as in deliberately injuring players because of injuries he received himself from certain players.
I dont think you can justify some of these players antics just because they dont try and hide it...
Cantona - Attacking Refs, Fans, Players...
Henry - Hypocrit over Diving....

Not in the same league really, you say he wont be a true great because he is a hypocrit, what about Maradona etc true great ?? (not saying Henry is on same level as Maradona)

Lemlin

el rabitos wrote:

in what measurable way is he liverpools "best striker"? - because he played for blackburn?

i wouldnt even consider liverpool to have a "best striker"

Simple really. Because he's better than Kuyt, Crouch or Fowler. Would you disagree?

Perhaps if Benitez stopped messing him about and gave him a proper run of games he'd be playing like he did for Blackburn last season. He will cause any defence plenty of problems.

As well as that I don't think Liverpool's style of play suits him. He's an Henry type player who needs the ball played to him quiclkly from counter attacks that allow him to run at the defence.

Liverpool are so slow at moving the ball up the pitch that by the time they get it to him, there's no room to run into. Either that or they're just using their Charlton-style hit-it-and-hope to Crouch.

el rabitos

Lemlin wrote:

Simple really. Because he's better than Kuyt, Crouch or Fowler. Would you disagree?

yes i would. i dont think he's better or any worse than any of them, i think he has different qualitys to the other 3, he doesnt work as hard as kuyt, he doesnt have crouch's touch and he's not as good a finisher as fowler. his quality is that he's got pace.

Lemlin wrote:

Perhaps if Benitez stopped messing him about and gave him a proper run of games he'd be playing like he did for Blackburn last season. He will cause any defence plenty of problems.

i would argue that bellamy and kuyt have had the best run of games out of all of liverpools strikers this season. at blackburn he was a whale in a tear-drop, at liverpool he's just another fish in a big pond, you cant expect the whole team to cater to him, he has to work within the system.

Lemlin wrote:

As well as that I don't think Liverpool's style of play suits him. He's an Henry type player who needs the ball played to him quiclkly from counter attacks that allow him to run at the defence.

thats all well and good, but liverpool dont play counter attacking football. again, he has to work within liverpools system. theres no point in liverpool catering to 1 players need to the point where its a detrement to getting the most out of several other players skills at the same time. he has to be a smarter player at pool and know when to make his runs. maybe he needs to read the game better. he needs controlled agression, not running around like a headless chicken, blackburn style.

Lemlin wrote:

Liverpool are so slow at moving the ball up the pitch that by the time they get it to him, there's no room to run into. Either that or they're just using their Charlton-style hit-it-and-hope to Crouch.

you need to watch more liverpool before passing judgement.

Guy:Incognito

Lemlin wrote:

Simple really. Because he's better than Kuyt, Crouch or Fowler. Would you disagree?

Perhaps if Benitez stopped messing him about and gave him a proper run of games he'd be playing like he did for Blackburn last season. He will cause any defence plenty of problems.

As well as that I don't think Liverpool's style of play suits him. He's an Henry type player who needs the ball played to him quiclkly from counter attacks that allow him to run at the defence.

Liverpool are so slow at moving the ball up the pitch that by the time they get it to him, there's no room to run into. Either that or they're just using their Charlton-style hit-it-and-hope to Crouch.

All that would be fine except he's missed a hatfull of sitters. When it gets to the stage of havign the nall in a situation where you shoudl score easily it doesnt matter who your playing for/against and in what stadium. It's not like he's being starved of chances, he is getting them, but he's pissong them away.

What was the difference in rounding the keeper and being presented with an open goal last saturday or the same situation last season for Blackburn? Bottom line, he fluffed it.