Would you give back €400-500?

cast_iron

Probably both.

InFront: They say love is blind, so I don't think the OP is deluded. I did state he seemed quite nice. Also, you were willing to judge the couple, but now you don't want to judge the gf. And, the OP asked for our opinions on him so the gf isn't that big a stretch.

Whilst the right thing was done at the time, given the 5 FACTS I've stated (from what the OP has told us), I think an unbiased observer is deluded to think of her as "perfectly nice/normal".

Kintarō Hattori

daveym wrote:

clearly based on this stellar display of honesty (and modesty) the OP should indeed dump his GF and shack up with you..

lol...... quality stuff.

After speaking to her earlier tonight I've found out why she was in a mood. She told me she did want to keep the money but that she was annoyed that she didn't want to do the right thing. She wanted to, but something was stopping her. She was angry with herself for not being able to give it back without hesitation.

I believe her as she did say she wanted to keep the money and on an odd occasion she has told me that I'm a good person and that she would like to be more moral or to do the 'right thing' too.

Time Magazine

I can't believe the OP's girlfriend and some people on this thread.

It's not hers, she's completely out of line to even consider not handing it back and is quite frankly a cold-hearted wench if she got stroppy with you for persuading her to hand it back. As already mentioned, that could be someone's rent, or their money for their J1 for the whole summer, or whatever. Even if that's not the case, even if they're multi-millionaires, it's not yours and you should not take it.

As for the related issue of the bank, I consider that equally as wrong. It's quite possible in any job that if your till is down by €500 that you'd be fired. A simple mistake with a decimal point might deserve to get someone fired, but if it was me I'd spare them the trouble. You are stealing from the bank if you do that. The fact that somebody made a mistake does not make it anyway morally acceptable. It's the same outcome as stealing €500 from the till at gun-point (less trauma for the cashier, but hey I'd rather be held at gun-point than be fired).

And to the people that say "they have insurance" etc., does that mean you can sneak in at night and take it then?

Shameful ethics.

InFront

Whilst the right thing was done at the time, given the 5 FACTS I've stated (from what the OP has told us)

I think the one major fact you left out was that the girl knew the correct thing to do was run after the guy and give him back his money. Who cares if she was kicking herself for a while, her conscience overcame her greed.

Anyway the op has cleared things up ^^

DonalN

hey! - what movie were ye going to see ??..

I went to see Hot Fuzz tonight and it's class!!....

cast_iron

eo980 wrote:

As we continued on our way to the cinema her mood changed drastically and she told me she was annoyed for handing it back and that she shouldn't have done it.

I based much of my criticism of her on this. InFront, I really think you don't actually read the posts in their entirety. I'm not sure how this showed you she knew that she should have run after him. Unless you can produce a fact to prove your point (from before the clearing up)...

Anyways, at least the OP has cleared things up. She is human after all...

Lorax

Hmmmm ¬_¬

cournioni

I would go to the bookies, stick it on a horse at 10/1, win and then had back the €500.

Kintarō Hattori

cast_iron wrote:

She is human after all...

Comments such as this cannot be classed as constructive. Thanks to all the folk who gave me thoughtful and well constructed replies and remarks, you know who you are.

I can take the negative onboard just as well as I can positive remarks and opinions, but saying things such as the above or 'dump her' do not help anyone and only serve to have people ignore your opinion in the future.

Haven't a Clue

eo980 wrote:

Comments such as this cannot be classed as constructive. Thanks to all the folk who gave me thoughtful and well constructed replies and remarks, you know who you are.

I can take the negative onboard just as well as I can positive remarks and opinions, but saying things such as the above or 'dump her' do not help anyone and only serve to have people ignore your opinion in the future.

A well calculated way of saying:

Those people who said I should dump her can go **** themselves...

cast_iron

eo980 wrote:

Comments such as this cannot be classed as constructive.

Okay, that reads wrong. That was not what I was trying to say.
What I was trying to say was - most people would probably think about what they would do with the money if they kept it...and this provides a dilemma for them. That's human nature.
It's good to see most people here would chose to be honest.

snickerpuss

I'd have to give it back if they were still there and i seen them or whatever. Cos i'd be so pissed off if it was me.

Terry

I have, on several occasions, returned money to people when I saw them drop it. I'm far from wealthy and know what it is like to lose your last few quid.
However, I did find a wallet outside my house one night. It had no ID in it and contained something like €370. I can tell you that fun was had by all that night.
Don't carry cash in a wallet unless you have some ID in there too.

As for the people telling the OP to dump his girlfriend, how about you all go out and get a girlfriend and stop judging other people's relationships.
There is more to life than internet porn.

admiralofthefleet

i would have definitely given it back, and if it was a girl who dropped it it would make a good start to a conversation and possibly more

Time Magazine

Terry wrote:

It had no ID in it and contained something like €370. I can tell you that fun was had by all that night.

In my opinion you should have brought it to the Garda station.

cournioni

Ibid wrote:

In my opinion you should have brought it to the Garda station.

Yeah, the guards would have probably bought soup and chips for everybody in the station with it... Very charitable cause...

Time Magazine

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Yeah, the guards would have probably bought soup and chips for everybody in the station with it... Very charitable cause...

As opposed to what Terry did? At least there's a chance they'd hold it in good faith. That's more than heading down to the chipper yourself.

Terry

Ibid wrote:

In my opinion you should have brought it to the Garda station.

Your opinion has been noted and ignored. If you're silly enough to drop a wallet with lots of money and no ID in it right in front of my house, then you must be an idiot. The cash then belongs to the idiot who found it.
I will continue to keep anonymous cash finds.
It's a regular occurence for me.
One morning I walked out the front door and €20 blew up the driveway and landed right at my feet.

EDIT: Ibid; Leixlip garda station?
I hear they have found a locaton for it.
Give me a shout when it opens.

cast_iron

Terry wrote:

Don't carry cash in a wallet unless you have some ID in there too.
.

Ah right, so because there was no ID in it, that made it okay to take what wasn't yours.

Zillah

cast_iron wrote:

Ah right, so because there was no ID in it, that made it okay to take what wasn't yours.

Exactly! He should have used his magic powers to divine who owned it and then teleported it to them instantly.

Hobbes

If it had no ID I'd probably hold it for a couple of days to see if anyone was wandering around.

I found this gold necklace once near where I live. Went to the local shop to ask them to put up a sign, the woman behind the counter claimed it was hers. Asked her to describe it and she couldn't. 20 mins later I get a call saying someone saw the sign and described a different necklace again. Voice sounded familar, so my niece went to the shop and I asked her to ask for a necklace and gave her a description (the wrong one). Sure enough the same woman rang again.

Never did get anyone ringing for it (sign was still there).

In relation to the OP. What you experienced is called the bad waiter syndrome. Basically if you bring someone out on a date and they are an asshole to the waiter then they are showing their true personality.

The fact she got worked up about handing it back means she is more likely to rip you off too later.

roo_photo

snickerpuss wrote:

I'd have to give it back if they were still there and i seen them or whatever. Cos i'd be so pissed off if it was me.

Tis Aristotle's golden rule - 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you '

eo980 maybe you should ask the GF, if she had dropped the money, would she have liked it returned? :rolleyes:

event

roo_photo wrote:

In relation to The OP's original question,here are 3 episodes of interest all of which happened in the same year;

Episode 1: waiting for my turn at a cash machine, I noticed that the person ahead of me was getting quite flustered. He was an old fella of about 65 - 70, he was pressing buttons and kept having to the reinsert his card. Eventually he walked away looking very confused indeed. My turn, but feeling a bit suspicious of the ATM, I gave it a quick once over before inserting my card. Lo and behold there was a large wad of 20's in the cash tray A count revealed it was €400! I chased after the old geezer and asked what had happened at the machine. He said he had been trying to take out money with his new card, but could not figure it out. In the end he panicked and gave up. I asked how much he had tried to take - he said 400, so with a big grin I handed it back to him, and told him to be more careful in future. The poor fella was nearly in tears!

Episode 2: (Which unbelievably happened at the same ATM). An old lady came up to me in the queue, said that I looked the trustworthy type, would I help her use the machine. "Of course!" says I. Whereupon she hands me her card, tells me her PIN and asks me to withdraw €100. I do it, hand her the money and receipt and tell her for gods sake don't try this in the future!?:( As next time she might not be so lucky in her choice of character.

Episode 3: Walking out of the local bank I noticed a grubby envelope on the ground. It was raining, and it had been stood on a good few times. Something made me stop and pick it up. And yes, it contained money, €600 and a hand written noted with a doctors name an appointment time and what appeared to be a bank ac number. I went back into the bank and explained this to one of the tellers. He checked the account number, it matched one of the customers - so he rang the number that he had on file. When he got through to the account holder, he asked had they lost anything. Indeed she had - the savings she was using to pay for her sisters treatment! Amounts and note correlated - so another user was reunited with their dosh!:)

So that was over a grand that passed through my grubby little paws that year - oddly enough with the situations I did not want a reward. But hey, it did feel nice to be honest!:cool:

we'll get you a medal so

Trinity

I personally would have handed it back without hesitation. But i wouldnt judge anyone who had a momentary laspe of judgement, in other words its probably quite normal for the thought of keeping it to fly through your head for a minute, once you do the right thing in the end of course.

The only thing that surprised me in the whole post was how she got angry with you for encouraging her to give it back - when she said she wasnt going to and then ruining your night over it because you had to tell her the difference between right and wrong.

I reckon had she been in someone elses company she probably would have kept it had they encouraged that - thats why you got the blame!! (but thats heresay!)

If she was angry with herself she shouldnt have taken it out on you. She should be proud of you and glad to be dating an honest person with a conscience! Shes with the right person if she wants to start doing the right thing. But its not a dumping offence!!

But am glad you got it sorted with her anyway.

connundrum

event wrote:

we'll get you a medal so

Sarcasm will get you everywhere.

If I saw Pete Doherty drop a load of cash then I must admit that I'd be torn as to whether or not to hand it back to him. It'd be 90/10 in favour of not.

If I were the OP I wouldn't be feeling so proud of myself. You are not an honest person in any way, shape or form if you happily took money that wasn't yours from the bank. It wasn't like it was an ATM mistake, presumably a person handed you the money, you knew it was too much and took it anyway. It's totally naive/deluded to say 'well banks are evil, they deserved it'. It's the employee who gets the blame. My mum used to work in a bank and she was constantly stressed about giving someone too much by mistake because she got loads of hassle if her money didn't balance at the end of the day. It's normal for bank tellers to make mistakes after a long day and thankfully in my mum's case most people were honest and told her she'd given too much, even if it was just a fiver.

Amazing how many people on here think they deserve a pat on the back for doing what they should do anyway. The only time I'd keep money was if it was loose on the street and there was no way the owner was going to get it back. Otherwise, it's theft, plain and simple. I know how it feels to be on the receiving end and I'd hate to do it to someone else.

Overheal

I work in a club as some of you know and that comes often enough with people leaving money where they shouldnt be: for example paying for drink with a 50 and leaving about 30 in change and walking off. I have no problem leaving that cash aside for a little bit to see if they come back for it but otherwise its mine; Im too busy to be running after every overpaid drunk that walks off. On some occassions though its appropriate to return the funds and I do; particularly at the end of the night when the bar-grate comes down: people have bought and as quickly lost a lot of drink that way

As for banks and their employees: its S.O.P. that a teller is responsible for their station at the end of the day: any inconsistincy comes out of their pocket: my mother too can attest to that. At the end of the day its a fine precaution to take against mistakes; and some wiser people understand this too, and help out on their end.

As far as the 500 goes: I wouldve taken it back to them; I have no idea what they need such a large amount of cash for (most likely illegal, imo) but if there was even the smallest niggling doubt that it was legitimate and I kept the cash it would haunt me for a long time.

Rb

eo980's girlfriend is clearly a little knacker.

zAbbo

You don't know the worth of money until you've earned it.

I wouldn't feel comfortable keeping someone else's hard earned, especially 400-500 euro, thats not right.

I'd drop your GF as well, absolute scumbag behaviour

Skyuser

Dump her...

The Freeman

nipplenuts wrote:

I'd say you're well met - both thieves. That's what it is no matter how you try to justify it. You think the bank teller wasn't at a loss for his/her mistake somehow too?

yes!


the bank is covered/insured for those mistakes i'm sure and the guy working there go negligence so robbing BACK from thye bank is okay in my book

and dude your woman was in the right to give the money back, if you turn the tables on that i'm sure she would be calling your man every name on the sun if she knew, hope she believes in karma.

shane86

Who carries 400 euro aound in cash anyway.

Whoever was gven it back shouldve gave the girl a 20 for their trouble, but even at that I wouldnt particularly want a bird who has a sneaky sly side like that.


Unless shes a ride......

Id hand money back unless the group/person had done something to give me the impression theyre a gang of twats. Then Id pocket it.

As for handing it to the cops, gerroufit

InFront

shane86 wrote:

Who carries 400 euro aound in cash anyway.

Someone who gets paid in cash?
Someone paying rent...

Terry

Someone who doesn't use credit/ debit cards.

Plenty of legitimate reasons to be carrying that much cash.

copacetic

hmmm, seems to be a bunch of thieving bastards around.
I'd advise all boardsies to do what I'm now doing and write your
name and address on all your cash, that way you can
be sure the feckers will have a harder time rationalising their
thievery...

if you are worried about the legalities of defacing your notes use
a post it instead. be aware they are sneaky though and may remove
this post it and trouser the dough.

Mr. Presentable

The Freeman wrote:

yes!
the bank is covered/insured for those mistakes i'm sure and the guy working there go negligence so robbing BACK from thye bank is okay in my book
.

How do you work out that taking something that doesn't belong to you is OK? It's quite simple - it's not yours. Regardless of whether it came from rich or poor, individual or institution. Damn it, it's NOT YOURS. :mad:

Cake Fiend

shane86 wrote:

Who carries 400 euro aound in cash anyway.

Drug dealers. And the OP has been giving their blood-money back to them!! :eek:

Ibid wrote:

In my opinion you should have brought it to the Garda station.

Explain what good would have come of that?

CoolGuy2006

Did they not give her a reward. They should have

melekalikimaka

rb_ie wrote:

eo980's girlfriend is clearly a little knacker.

lol

but seriously i'm not saying that you should dump her, but could you explain how you could continue a relationship with someone whom by one incident makes it clear she has no scruples in exploiting people she doesn't even know, decitful witch imo, P45 her ass

Kintarō Hattori

rb_ie wrote:

eo980's girlfriend is clearly a little knacker.

Thankfully your opinion doesn't count for much.

Kintarō Hattori

Zahra Sharp Burglar wrote:

If I were the OP I wouldn't be feeling so proud of myself.

Where did I give the impression that I was proud of myself?

Rb

melekalikimaka wrote:

lol

but seriously i'm not saying that you should dump her, but could you explain how you could continue a relationship with someone whom by one incident makes it clear she has no scruples in exploiting people she doesn't even know, decitful witch imo, P45 her ass

Contradict yourself much ?

eo980 wrote:

Thankfully your opinion doesn't count for anything.

My mom says it does.

melekalikimaka

rb_ie wrote:

Contradict yourself much ?

i tried to be nice...but its hard when you think bout it

JustCoz

If I found money I'd probably keep it but if I saw someone drop it I would give it straight back, that should be a natural reaction. The fact that your girlfriend would even think about keeping the money speaks volumes about her. That was probably the person's rent or something. Shame on her

Kintarō Hattori

melekalikimaka wrote:

lol

but seriously i'm not saying that you should dump her, but could you explain how you could continue a relationship with someone whom by one incident makes it clear she has no scruples in exploiting people she doesn't even know, decitful witch imo, P45 her ass

I don't feel I need to explain anything about our relationship. This is one incident from a relationship of two years. I can't believe that so many people here on boards are so unforgiving of others, that they don't believe in giving someone a chance to redeem themselves.
Clearly everyone who has suggested I 'dump' my girlfriend glossed over the parts where I said she was a wonderful lady whom I loved deeply and whom I'm simply not going to 'drop' because she's not a completely perfect absolutely moral upstanding citizen. I'm sure we have almost ALL been guilty of some small infractions in our lives at some point.
I can only hope that other people are more forgiving of you if you make a mistake in your lives than you are being right now.

melekalikimaka

eo980 wrote:

I don't feel I need to explain anything about our relationship. This is one incident from a relationship of two years. I can't believe that so many people here on boards are so unforgiving of others, that they don't believe in giving someone a chance to redeem themselves.
Clearly everyone who has suggested I 'dump' my girlfriend glossed over the parts where I said she was a wonderful lady whom I loved deeply and whom I'm simply not going to 'drop' because she's not a completely perfect absolutely moral upstanding citizen. I'm sure we have almost ALL been guilty of some small infractions in our lives at some point.
I can only hope that other people are more forgiving of you if you make a mistake in your lives than you are being right now.

love is blind my friend

Rb

melekalikimaka wrote:

i tried to be nice...but its hard when you think bout it

Ah, I know, very hard.

eo980 wrote:

I can only hope that other people are more forgiving of you if you make a mistake in your lives than you are being right now.

Your girlfriend contemplated robbing a stranger of €400, then kicked up a fuss and got angry with you when you wouldn't allow her to do it, and you're surprised at peoples reactions (and comments regarding her)? Please, do the country a favour and never have a child with this woman, we don't need any more little shams running around our streets.

InFront

love is blind my friend

And a third party judging somebody over the internet, without that person being able to contribute is...?

At least base your judgements on fact. Why did she give back the money if she's such an awful person?

melekalikimaka

i'd be more than happy for her to contribute

<takes wallet out of back pocket and puts on chain in front>

but i doubt she'd have the balls to considering she considered stealing off a stranger

Rb

InFront wrote:

And a third party judging somebody over the internet, without that person being able to contribute is...?

At least base your judgements on fact. Why did she give back the money if she's such an awful person?

He talked her into it, if he hadn't been there she'd have taken the cash without a second thought about it. This is quite apparent from the OP.

She gave the money back, after being convinced to, but then kicked up a strop over it after...enough said really.