Does driving on your own with first provisional void your insurance

Wishbone Ash

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

Sounds like a big fib, why didn't they apply for the amnesty back in 1979 ??

The 1979 amnesty was only granted to provsional licence holders who were on their second licence and who were on the driving test waiting list on a particular date (October 1st??) that year. Presumably my work colleague didn't meet both qualifying criteria.

There was no advance notice given to prevent people from applying just to avail of the amnesty.

Capt'n Midnight

Wishbone Ash wrote:

There was no advance notice given to prevent people from applying just to avail of the amnesty.

My friends mother applied for a truck license for the crack, and got it. So there must have been strong rumours. - Bet they are kicking themselves for not applying

Thank goodness for the EU, otherwise they would have done it again.

Until people in this country NEED a full license to drive, the driving test will remain optional.

Wishbone Ash

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

My friends mother applied for a truck license for the crack, and got it.

Is it possible that you may be confusing it with the pre test era (before 1964) when one merely ticked the categories and paid for the licence.

Or you may be confusing it with the older licences which gave a light truck (now C1) with the car licence.

jhegarty

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

As for the 300,000 who haven't applied for a test, send out a letter to anyone not on second provisional reminding of the penalties for driving unaccompanied and reminding them of the waiting list and that if they don't apply in the next 6 months they go to the back of the list, on the basis they couldn't be bothered. This will generate cash flow.
Next - since the waiting time will be over a year for those at the end of the list, you don't renew the license because it will be impossible for them to do the test on it. You only renew their licenses when the waiting time drops below a year. - this would only apply to those who have waited more than a year in the past to apply for a test.

So if people don't apply for the test you will put them to the back of the list they are not on...


then you don't allow people who didn't do a thing wrong to get a licenses until the test (that they can't apply for without a licenses) has a waiting list less than a year....

Victor

C.D. wrote:

Hmm.. that is like saying.. 40% of all driver road deaths involve alcohol. So 60% of those people die when sober. So its safer to be drunk. If we have 1000 car journeys, 950 sober and 50 taken while drunk and 100 overall road deaths it means that 40 out 50 drunk people died and 60 out of 950 sober people died. I pulled these figures out of the air, but only to illustrate that you're wrong.

I think the figures tend to be in the order of 0.5% in breath tests.

C.D.

Victor wrote:

I think the figures tend to be in the order of 0.5% in breath tests.

It wasn't so much to do with actual DD stats, as a general illustration as to how easy it is to misinterpret statistics in general.

bo-bo

we have a woefull attitude to driving in this country. a culture of nonchalance towards rules and regulations definitely exists amongst full licence holders and provisional licence holders. come to think of it, pedestrians can even be factored into that statement (thats another days work however).

generalising and sweeping statement, i know, but i feel our levels of road deaths and injuries proves this.

at the moment the gardai use their powers of discretion when dealing with provisional licence holders. rightly so in my opinion, but that is the right of the gardai to exercise discretion NOT the right of the 1st provisional licence holder to drive unaccompanied.

it is also worth remembering that our laws in relation to this issue are not representative of our current climate, they were brought in for a bygone era.

i dont have any one single opinion on the issue, suffice to say that i feel the law needs to be changed and enforced.

one very small thing which has yet to be mentioned: when you sign for a provisional licence you are signing an undertaking that you know and are farmiliar with all the rules of the road and applicable legistlation. it is then granted to you on this basis.

just my thoughts..............

bo-bo

*familiar* ooops

galwaytt

a few years ago I was involved in surveying a bike club, and found that a number of people were still on their provisional.............after 20+ years. How that is physically possible, I have no idea - the co co staff who issue such licences should be reprimanded and disciplined for negligence.........or something........it's just daft.

As for writing to the 300k people on the list........excluding stationery, labour, that's another € 144,000 just for the stamps, then.............I can think of much better things to do with the money.