[US/IRL] 3X10 - "Tricia Tanaka Is Dead" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Yakuza

7

Deleted User wrote:

It's good to see Lost is looking back at Season One. I especially loved the part when Sawyer called Charlie a munchkin- a possible nod to the little Hobbit?.

Exactly what I was thinking when I heard him say that

Killaqueen!!!

Very enjoyable filler.

That there says it all. It is a filler but it at least focusses on more than Jack/Kate/Sawyer. It's one of those great season1 type episodes at the beach. And anybody who is seriously p1ssed about this episode needs to look at themselves and ask why are they getting so worked up that no answers were given if it was an entertaining piece of television. Seriously guys - it's taking it too far. If you hate Lost that much please don't watch it.

Loved the van scenes - Hurley is a great character and we saw his want to lighten everyone up again (remember the golfcourse). His flashbacks didn't really tell us much but with the story as it goes any of his flashbacks will be great if it uses more of the bad luck humour that we always get.

Hurley: Shut up....red...neck...guy
Sawyer: Touche

Brilliant!

I was really really hoping that Kate and Sawyer would tell everyone what happened because I feared that it would be another stupid bit where nobody asked questions but at least Sayid and Locke seemed interested. In the last scene it was very obvious where they were going with it but I'm glad they got that done at the end of the episode so they don't have to do it next week.

I was a bit worried that Sawyer and Jin didn't try and stop Hurley and Charlie any more than saying 'It's your funeral' - I mean at the time if I was standing there pushing them down the hill I would think that they were gonna die. Also, Hurley didn't ask ANY questions about what happened to Sawyer when he got back! What the hell?

Nice bit with Sawyer teaching Jin English.

Spiritus Mundi#

I'm prob in a minority of one here, but is it possible that most of you guys are dismissing these type of episodes as "filler" a little prematurely? I accept that in a multi-layered storyline, any episode that doesnt do much to advance the story in the overall scheme of things is bound to be greeted with a lot of scorn.

Having said that, in retrospect when Lost has run its course (maybe a rather over-extended course) we might look back on these episodes and find they were a little more than filler. Take this episode - does Hurleys back story need another episode detailing his bad luck? Probably not. Was it an excuse to get a Hurley-centric episode in due to his popularity? (would be cynical but Possibly....)

But for me i always look at the overall picture - i would be completey amazed and disappointed by the end of the show if these episodes were all for nothing. I'm gonna keep some faith here and hope that all these flashbacks - Kate's backstory, Jacks troubles with his dad and ex-wife, Sawyers childhood, Sayids army experiences......i just think there is more to it than just fleshing out the characters.

Back in season 1 and even season 2 before it started focussing on Dharma/the hatches/the others, what intrigued me then still does now. What is this island? Why are they there? With so many different storylines and subplots developed since then, sometimes its easy to get frustrated by the lack of progress..... im just gonna keep faith. I cant see myself quitting Lost until the very end either way, but i hope the writers are smarter than a lot of us give them credit for and in 2 or 3 years on a wet weekend i can gorge on all 5 seasons and not feel it was for nothin!

bluto63

It was a good episode I thought, I was dissapointed though that they didn't kill Charlie off. Will they just go and do it already?

DS

Can anyone explain to me RTE's tagline for this episode?

"Kate is dead. Or is she?"

Did they just read the title and change it into something stupidly controversial?

danniemcq

yeah i thought that was stupider than the episode itself

scojones

One of, if not the worst episode ever. I'm surprised so many people liked this episode. It featured around two of my favourite characters, Hurley and Sawyer, but still I thought it was rubbish. There were a few funny parts - but there are in nearly every episode Sawyer is in.

I wouldn't have thought this episode was crap if the ones preceding it were not. What I mean is if we had proper developments in the episodes prior to this I would welcome a "filler" episode, but because this series is utter cack that is not the case. I think it's becoming more obvious that this season will end with the guys on the Island trying to rescue Jack. I just wonder what "delays" we'll have up until that point. The third series is basically 2 people escape from The Others, go back to camp, get the beachies and go back to get Jack. The end.

I think the writers have alot to answer for. If there are not any major developments in the next two episodes my faith in the writers will have gone down hill.

Crucifix

7

DS wrote:

Can anyone explain to me RTE's tagline for this episode?

"Kate is dead. Or is she?"

Did they just read the title and change it into something stupidly controversial?

I know! I was waiting for her to get hit by the van or something. I'd guess that's a peek into a further off episode.

I enjoyed that one. Sure there wasn't much exposition, but I don't mind.

Beruthiel

3

I want some answers!
Yes, this was an amusing episode, I laughed, but come on, it's time for some answers!

prospect

6

I enjoyed this episode, it is long overdue that they balanced this series with a light hearted and humurous episode. Then again, I am patient enough to wait and ride out the show and get the answers when they are due. I agree with alot of the previous comments, it really felt like a season one episode.

Remember, the sooner the answers start being revealed, the sooner the outcome of the whole show can be predicted, and then it would become boring.

A few points:

My fav line was when Sawyer called Hurley 'Snuffy' which I presume is a reference to 'Snuffleupagus' the hairy mammoth in Sesame Street. Classic.

I missed one or two episodes, so did not understand the reference to MrEko and his staff. Also someone mentioned earlier in this thread about MrEkos gift to the losties???

What happened the van that it ended up on its side, with the driver dying in the drivers seat. Also, why didn't his darmha colleagues come find him?

Nalz

4

Can't believe people are looking for a full episode of light hearted fun etc when there is fifty billion cazillion trillion gabillion questions to be answered!

prospect

6

Trilla wrote:

Can't believe people are looking for a full episode of light hearted fun etc when there is fifty billion cazillion trillion gabillion questions to be answered!

Wow, that many, I had lost count at fourty two billion cazillion trillion gabillion questions to be answered.

Kolodny

7

prospect wrote:

My fav line was when Sawyer called Hurley 'Snuffy' which I presume is a reference to 'Snuffleupagus' the hairy mammoth in Sesame Street. Classic.

I thought that too. Lovable large hairy character - nice comparison

A lot of laugh out loud stuff this episode - Hurley's mother was hilarious ("It's been 17 years..") and the banter between the 4 lads and the mini 'road trip' at the end, complete with dog, was class.

I enjoyed this as just a bit of comic relief with not much story development, but I do hope things are going to get a bit more action packed next week.

Zapp Brannigan

Cant believe that Sawyers line to Jin hasn't been mentioned. For me it was the funniest moment in the episode.
"Look who's hooked on Phonics!". Excellent!!

dan_y

has anyone ever read a book and gotten to a part where you thought the pace had been lost, and you were trudging through page after page of endless information - wondering where the plot had dissapeared to - only to reach the third act and discover all of that information was part of the initiation to the return? I don't know about anyone else but I felt like most of the time when I was reading Lord of the Rings, or Dune, or His Dark Materials, but like every good story (and every good life) sometimes instant gratification just isn't the right way to go.

series 1 encapsulated itself by ending with the discovery of the broken ladder - answering the big question of series 1, what's in the hatch?

series 2 ended with the explosion of everyone's favourite hatch - answering the big question of series 2, is the button real?

now both of those could be considered the call to adventure - if you think about this in terms of mythological archtype - the "normal" heroes are thrust into a world beyond their reality, and a sort of forced awareness overcomes them (john with the button and the question of faith, and the others testing sawyer and kate - a test that is cut short when the man whose wife is killed by sun forces her to admit her love for him by pointing a gun at his head, and jack maybe finding his place among the others?)

mythologic convention means the story must now have moved into the "road of trials" - where the hero, or I guess heroes in this case, have to sift through their own consciousness as well as deal with outside pressures in an attempt to create a better understanding of their place in the world.

in most stories this is the part where it gets boring. the information you're taking in isn't as interesting because it specifically relates to the central characters and their understanding of self and their preperating to recieve the ultimate boon ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hero_With_A_Thousand_Faces ) - which I'm sure anyone who actually read to this point automatically associated with the dearly departed all american boone - and his role in motivating the enigmatic locke.

I remember seeing in a documentary on the bonus disc of the first series that the originals creators of the show devised the entire plot of the show over a weekend or so - at which point they had already mapped out the journey the show would take for at least 5 seasons?

I think maybe the problem is it's a tv series. episodes are supposed to be self-enclosed stories. but with lost that's often not the case. one episode can be completely meaningless until it's given context by another. because unlike most tv series, the story for lost was written before it went into production. so whoever is in charge of writing the actual episodes now has been given a vision (complete with ending?), which has to be realised. so we've gotten to that part in the story where everything slows down and all of the characters have to start absorbing empowering imformation (kinda like the matrix reloaded). and for some reason either whoever wrote the episodes for series 1 and 2 has lost his knack - or they've gotten someone new?

what I'm trying to say is, even though you all stopped reading back at the wiki link, we're reaching the peak of the story arc - which means the plot is gonna start heading downhill (figuratively) pretty soon and (considering the immense amount of mythology they've poured into this fantasy mountain) at a pretty extreme velocity. the falling action is coming. and you just know a show like lost is gonna have one hell of a spectacular crescendo, followed by what will hopefully be a satisfying diminuendo - during which all our petty questions will be answered. though to be honest I hope they find some way to retain the mystery that keeps me hooked.

Cooee

....given up................too many slo-mo time filling, music pieces. A sure fire filler trick used on all tv shows that are stuggling to fill their time slot. This was a 10 min story dragged kicking and screaming to 42 minutes. You can hear the producers telling the writers to pile in the gags. I am sure most of the dialogue was written by people the puke out stuff like Will and Grace and Joey!
This was absolute drivel....pointless....nothing. And this on the back a series of apalling episodes. It is now clear that this show had 2 series in it max! I no longer care if I miss an episode. What did I miss....Hurley jump started a van (ignoring the fact that it was upside down and all of the petrol would be long gone, as would the engine oil etc., GOD!) and Kate looked up the French woman!

SoSueMe

9

Cooee wrote:

....given up................too many slo-mo time filling, music pieces. A sure fire filler trick used on all tv shows that are stuggling to fill their time slot. This was a 10 min story dragged kicking and screaming to 42 minutes. You can hear the producers telling the writers to pile in the gags. I am sure most of the dialogue was written by people the puke out stuff like Will and Grace and Joey!
This was absolute drivel....pointless....nothing. And this on the back a series of apalling episodes. It is now clear that this show had 2 series in it max! I no longer care if I miss an episode. What did I miss....Hurley jump started a van (ignoring the fact that it was upside down and all of the petrol would be long gone, as would the engine oil etc., GOD!) and Kate looked up the French woman!

Oh, you'll be back watching next week. you might say you won't but you will.
This constant backlash is annoying. An episode might have its week points but Hurley's episode was a much need brek from the angst of the show latlely.
I sat with a smile on my face last night as it felt so close to the tone of season one, especially with the ending which they always did on season one, leaving you wanting more.

Lost is still by far one of the best shows on TV and before you compare, its like apples and oranges. Lost is by far one of the most unique and engaging shows on TV. It may have its ups and downs but the good far outways the bad.

Stop jumping on this bandwagan.

cooker3

6

I don't see why people are complaining at all about the show overall. Looking at episodes so far since it came back from the break. Episode 7 I thought was good. Episode 8 was outsanding. Episode 9 was pretty useless although did see Cindy and kids which was something. Episode 10 was a very funny lighthearted episode imo. Judging by what others say you think every episode has been terrible which in imo is far from how it has being.

trishw78

7

Yes it was slightly slow moving.

but come on peeps. We learned loads

1. Kate is building Jack's Army
2. They found a hippy van with stale Beer in it
3. THE MAP - they were buiding a road where does the road lead from/to
4. Hurley was a cute kid.

I think i covered the episode nicely in those 4 points. Can't believe Kate didn't let on to James who was or didn't tell Alex that her mother was alive. About time things started happening now i demand an answer next week to what in the hell is exactly going on.

AdMMM

5

4. Hurley was a cute kid.

I had to laugh when his father said "Hey, your mother wasn't joking about those candy bars..."

event

Cooee wrote:

....given up................too many slo-mo time filling, music pieces. A sure fire filler trick used on all tv shows that are stuggling to fill their time slot. This was a 10 min story dragged kicking and screaming to 42 minutes. You can hear the producers telling the writers to pile in the gags. I am sure most of the dialogue was written by people the puke out stuff like Will and Grace and Joey!
This was absolute drivel....pointless....nothing. And this on the back a series of apalling episodes. It is now clear that this show had 2 series in it max! I no longer care if I miss an episode. What did I miss....Hurley jump started a van (ignoring the fact that it was upside down and all of the petrol would be long gone, as would the engine oil etc., GOD!) and Kate looked up the French woman!

great so, 1 moaner gone

dan_y

that van might not have been there for decades. it could have crashed the same day the losties did - maybe even as a result of the concussive force of their airplane barrelling through the jungle? I'm no expert in decomposition but roger still had some flesh on his bones. which could explain why there was still petrol (judging from the map he had a ways to go) and oil (it'd take longer than 60+ days for oil to dissapear)

robnubis

7

Character Development isnt filler.

If we had no episodes like this, we wouldnt like the characters.

Deal with the fact that not even the producers know whats going to happen with lost, and in the end you'll probably be dissapointed with what they come up with, so just learn to love weekly cliff hangers, great acting and interesting characters while you can.

ZiabR

7

I thought this was a super ep. I mean it was nice to get away from the Jack/Juliet story and see Hurley again. As ppl have said, Sayer and Jin make a funny couple and i just love Sayers one liners.

I gave it an 8.

Sinfonia

dan_y wrote:

series 2 ended with the betrayal of michael and the kidnap of jack kate and sawyer - answering the big question of series 2, what are the others up to?

Wasn't the big question "Is the button real?"

I don't know about you, but I still don't know what the Others are up to!!

PiE

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dan_y wrote:

...we're reaching the peak of the story arc...

Good post. I really hope you're right, but it's hard to have much faith in the Lost writers to deliver what the show has promised.

dan_y

SumGuy wrote:

Wasn't the big question "Is the button real?"

I don't know about you, but I still don't know what the Others are up to!!

you're right actually. and I think the giant hole in the ground pretty much proved desmond right on that one. I know we don't know exactly what the other's mission is - but what I meant was we found out what was going on with michael, henry/ben getting himself caught, and the list of the main section survivors.

christo82

This kind of episode is the reason that Lost will be a 7 Season show instead of a 5 season show. It's repetitive. I don't wanna see any more of hurley's bad luck. And oh great he has 'father-issues'; him and everyone else on the island. Pointless information.

Mitch Connor

christo82 wrote:

This kind of episode is the reason that Lost will be a 7 Season show instead of a 5 season show. It's repetitive. I don't wanna see any more of hurley's bad luck. And oh great he has 'father-issues'; him and everyone else on the island. Pointless information.

I thought the point of the van gunning it down the hill straight towards the rocks, and the engine kicking in just in time to save them frmo a certain death, was to show that Hurley's bad luck is changing/gone. Could be important later on, considering Hurley felt Charlie was to die because of his bad luck.

dan_y

yeah I think maybe hurley's bad luck could be changing. remember libby died very soon after getting close to hurley - wasn't she in the hatch getting something for their first date when she got shot? and this episode started with hurley at her grave...maybe, just maybe, the writers are relying on subtleties - the kind of revelations that won't become clear soon. but one thing's for sure - desmond didn't show up to try and stop them rolling down the hill, so maybe that ain't how charlie was sposed to die anyway...

charlie's "course corrected" death is kinda reminiscent of final destination, no?

Nalz

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dan_y wrote:

Charlie's "course corrected" death is kinda reminiscent of final destination, no?

well he didnt really cheat death as such but I see what you mean

dan_y

oh no I know, but it's kinda like desmond has become his devon sawa (lead guy from final destination) - they were both involved in a potentially fatal hatch explostion and now desmond can see death looking for charlie

jackdaw

3

I gave it a 4, not a great ep, but we need some breaks from the main story
they can't make every ep real exciting, it's the slow eps like this that makes
the good eps exciting.. you need the contrast..
Allthough so far in season 3 there has been at least 3 bad eps,
I can only think of 1 bad ep in S2 (dave) ... shows the show is going downhill..
but still good, Cant wait to watch 11-14 later !!!

ZiabR

7

jackdaw wrote:

I gave it a 4, not a great ep, but we need some breaks from the main story
they can't make every ep real exciting, it's the slow eps like this that makes
the good eps exciting.. you need the contrast..
Allthough so far in season 3 there has been at least 3 bad eps,
I can only think of 1 bad ep in S2 (dave) ... shows the show is going downhill..
but still good, Cant wait to watch 11-14 later !!!

How are you so far behind?? Oh you are in for a few treats with 11-14

jackdaw

3

yes !! i watched 11 last night !!!!

i wont discusss it here ... but im far behind cos ...ehh...

My "VCR" was broken.... so i gave a friend a "VHS tape" and he kindly "taped"
all the episodes of RTE and gave them to me!!!

ZiabR

7

jackdaw wrote:

yes !! i watched 11 last night !!!!

i wont discusss it here ... but im far behind cos ...ehh...

My "VCR" was broken.... so i gave a friend a "VHS tape" and he kindly "taped"
all the episodes of RTE and gave them to me!!!

Ah right, well then... get watching