3 add ons- unlimited broadband, 19.99?

jimmycrackcorm

flodis79 wrote:

Just to clear any confusion: X-SERIES in ireland has not be released yet! Someone mentioned that fact that N73 is on sale by Thre now, but N73 does not equal X-SERIES. It will come later. Orb will probably not work, if it's not using HTTP.

I didn't mean X-series. I can use orb on my PDA browser and on my Wii opera browser. As X-series supports it on the N73 then surely it means that a browser on the N73 can display orb pages and its streaming video.

I hardly imagine that three do some sort of video filtering to get the PC-derived video streams to display differently using X-Series.

damo86

finally heard back from o2 and they even rang me..now thats cc!anyways they are doing a revamp to their data tariffs,because 3g is not fully launched with o2,they are still finalising their tariffs etc,and they are going to launch a full broadband package similar to 3,except there are no limitations as ye have encountered with 3,so watch this space with o2,so anyone thinking of switching to 3..hold your horses!:)

1huge1

^^ thats not the only reason people are leaving O2 for 3...

quintron

update: trialling opera's new symbian based browser (Opera Mobile) and I have to say it is fantastic! Really fast and totally worth the €19 for hassle free browsing. Haven't tried the Java Opera Mini version but I'm sure its decent.
Just a tip for symbian phone owners.. well worth a look..
http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/products/s60/

Blaster99

Has anyone hooked their phone up to a PC yet and tried something like a VPN connection?

jimmycrackcorm

damo86 wrote:

finally heard back from o2 and they even rang me..now thats cc!anyways they are doing a revamp to their data tariffs,because 3g is not fully launched with o2,they are still finalising their tariffs etc,and they are going to launch a full broadband package similar to 3,except there are no limitations as ye have encountered with 3,so watch this space with o2,so anyone thinking of switching to 3..hold your horses!:)

How long before O2 go 3G though?

Solair

O2 are selling at least one 3G handset already :

http://www.o2online.ie/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/O2ProductDisplayView?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=10001&phoneId=46002&flowType=S&productId=46002&newFlag=

Comes with a 3G simpack

Sam Vimes

jimmycrackcorm wrote:

How long before O2 go 3G though?

they already have a 3g network. its just not as developed as 3 and voda so they haven't promoted it much

penexpers

Just found out about this last night and got my first add on last night. I think it's a great idea - access to my gmail on the go for 5.99 a month is a good deal. I can also see other uses for it like checking bus/train times (which costs 30c a text anyway). The POP3 issue doesn't really bother me and I can see why it doesn't really bother Three. I reckon the majority of people have a webmail account of some sorts and have no need for POP3 access.

penexpers

quintron wrote:

Its official. 3 do not support pop access ..period. What a joke.
Your 100MB or whatever allowance on your phone is only for mobile web browsing or using 3mail according to the three rep. Forget many 3rd party applications that require a data connection to update data, (though frustratingly and strangely some do work...gmail app for example)
For mail
You can set up other mailboxes (ie your work mail: quintron@company.com) via 3mail but your replies will always come from your 3mail address!
Great way to do business... Someone sends you a mail to [email]quintron@company.com.....you[/email]'re out and about... you need to check your mail.. but hit reply and its generated from quintron@3mail.ie.. so he/she after receiving your mail replies and of course it goes to 3mail.ie instead of company.com.. Now thats just dumb. Hard to track messages and forget about continuing a thread once you get back into the office.

If you need access like that, then you should get a Blackberry. Most people I know of in this situation have a Blackberry provided by the company.

quintron

Jesus, you'd swear blackberries were the answer to everything. I don't want push email mate. Don't want to pay for that service alone. I don't need that service frankly. Just want to check my mails occasionally while I'm out and about.

Blackberries are good at what they do, pushing email to your inbox, but thats about it. Think about that for a second.. How does that mail get pushed there? By a accessing your pop server.... and relaying back your smtp request when you reply to an email. Something that 3 does not provide, period at present.


Blackberries are limited devices in other regards as they require a network subscription and compliance to function properly. Give me a decent smartphone any day of the week.

A blackberry is useless on the 3 network as... wait for it... they don't support independent pop/smtp access so even if I wanted to.. its not possible.
Therein lies the rub...
And furthermore, a lot of people do rely on pop service. Thats why its a given on the other 2 major networks.

penexpers

If you're relying on e-mail to do business then you should have a Blackberry, complete with BES if possible. It's the most reliable solution in my experience.

EDIT I'm fully aware that a Blackberry is useless on the Three network atm.

Urban Weigl

I don't see any reason why a Symbian smart phone cannot be just as reliable. Perhaps more complex to set up the first time, but if you know what you're doing there should be no technical reason why it cannot be just as reliable.

slartibardfast

I just got age verified on Three PrePay.

Unfortunately java apps like Gmail and Opera Mini aren't working, as it appears that all outgoing http content is mangled though a proxy (http://mobile.3ireland.ie/3prepayweb/?site=). Its quite aggressive e.g. modifying pages "Mobile Broadband Home" and splitting pages up into sub parts.

Also there is no HTTPS support at all :mad:

On the other hand http://m.google.com, is working ok, making it worthwhile, if not perfect

quintron

Urban Weigl wrote:

I don't see any reason why a Symbian smart phone cannot be just as reliable. Perhaps more complex to set up the first time, but if you know what you're doing there should be no technical reason why it cannot be just as reliable.

Agreed. A symbian e-series is just as good at push email and a lot more versatile as a device. However the argument I have is not one of handset type but rather of a networks shortcoming in some certain key areas, especially in comparison to other networks, regardless of price and which is not clearly listed on their site.. and yes I know I'm beginning to sound like a broken record..

slartibardfast wrote:

I just got age verified on Three PrePay.
Unfortunately java apps like Gmail and Opera Mini aren't working, as it appears that all outgoing http content is mangled though a proxy (http://mobile.3ireland.ie/3prepayweb/?site=). Its quite aggressive e.g. modifying pages "Mobile Broadband Home" and splitting pages up into sub parts.

Also there is no HTTPS support at all :mad:

On the other hand http://m.google.com, is working ok, making it worthwhile, if not perfect

Wow.. thats mad. no https? You sure?
If so the broadband add-on for 3pay customers is even more proxied & locked down than bill pay. Opera Mobile is working great here. Very happy with speed and page rendering. Haven't tried https sites yet. Will do so tonight..

Sam Vimes

quintron wrote:

Wow.. thats mad. no https? You sure?
If so the broadband add-on for 3pay customers is even more proxied & locked down than bill pay. Opera Mobile is working great here. Very happy with speed and page rendering. Haven't tried https sites yet. Will do so tonight..

i logged into my internet banking today so i don't think its right. a message kept saying unable to perform operation but it would wokr anyway

quintron

cv u bill or prepay?

slartibardfast

Hi quintron, pretty sure about the no HTTPS, although mobile.3ireland.ie does have port 443 open (confirmed with laptop/bluetooth), perhaps it is just broken atm and will be back, but who knows

another issue with the prepay http mangling- is it is stateful so cookies for say m.google.com, expire after about 15 minutes so, which means login screens are an all too frequent frustration!

quintron

slartibardfast wrote:

Hi quintron, pretty sure about the no HTTPS, although mobile.3ireland.ie does have port 443 open (confirmed with laptop/bluetooth), perhaps it is just broken atm and will be back, but who knows
another issue with the prepay http mangling- is it is stateful so cookies for say m.google.com, expire after about 15 minutes so, which means login screens are an all too frequent frustration!

hmm.. what type of handset do u have? I'd suggest opera mobile if you have a symbian handset, working beautifully here..
Here is another java browser alternative if not (note I have not used following nor endorse it, its just a google search result..)
http://www.bitstream.com/wireless/
It may help?


UPDATE: https access working okay here. loads internet banking page using Opera Mobile. Have not tried thru Services browser.

slartibardfast

The handset is largely irrelevant tbh, its a just another ppp connection.

Tested it with a rather nasty Motorola v3x. Also check with the v3x acting as a modem for a macbook with wireshark monitoring traffic.

Edit:
Here is what happens when trying to connect to a https site, basically it allows a connection + hello message and then ends the tcp connection. The server (mine) doesn't see any of this traffic what so ever.

No. Time Source Destination Protocol Info
5 11.826653 10.207.103.75 david.connolly.name TCP 49493 > https [SYN] Seq=0 Len=0 MSS=1460 WS=0 TSV=417510047 TSER=0
6 12.378356 david.connolly.name 10.207.103.75 TCP https > 49493 [SYN, ACK] Seq=0 Ack=1 Win=65535 Len=0 MSS=1460 WS=0 TSV=151757 TSER=417510047
7 12.378433 10.207.103.75 david.connolly.name TCP 49493 > https [ACK] Seq=1 Ack=1 Win=65535 Len=0 TSV=417510048 TSER=151757
8 12.386228 10.207.103.75 david.connolly.name SSL Client Hello
9 13.050358 david.connolly.name 10.207.103.75 TCP https > 49493 [SYN, ACK] Seq=0 Ack=1 Win=65535 Len=0 MSS=1460 WS=0 TSV=151759 TSER=417510047
10 13.050418 10.207.103.75 david.connolly.name TCP [TCP Dup ACK 8#1] 49493 > https [ACK] Seq=141 Ack=1 Win=65535 Len=0 TSV=417510049 TSER=151759
11 13.690352 david.connolly.name 10.207.103.75 TCP https > 49493 [FIN, ACK] Seq=1 Ack=141 Win=65535 Len=0 TSV=151760 TSER=417510048
12 13.690419 10.207.103.75 david.connolly.name TCP 49493 > https [ACK] Seq=141 Ack=2 Win=65535 Len=0 TSV=417510050 TSER=151760
13 13.690966 10.207.103.75 david.connolly.name TCP 49493 > https [FIN, ACK] Seq=141 Ack=2 Win=65535 Len=0 TSV=417510050 TSER=151760
15 14.521312 david.connolly.name 10.207.103.75 TCP [TCP ZeroWindow] https > 49493 [ACK] Seq=2 Ack=142 Win=0 Len=0

gunnerfitzy

Sorry to bring this down to a basic level guys but you mentioned problems with accessing certain sites, especially https ones, on your mobiles. If one was to use his phone as a modem would there be any problems access theses sites? In other words, are all these issues related to 'mobile only' browsing?

slartibardfast

Unfortunately the problem (on prepaid) applies to equally to my laptop + handset when accessing *any* https site.

But I'm still hoping its a temporary problem rather than a "feature"

Edit: Anybody else using prepaid experiencing the same with https?

caster

A simple question (and apologies if this has already been answered)....

If I switch over to 3, will i be able to browse any sites I want ( i.e. standard web sites as well as WAP style sites) with the full (i.e. Safari based) browser on my Nokia N93?

Are the only restrictions around using non-browser based E-Mail and also any 3rd party symbian applications that need to access the web?

Thx
C

quintron

caster wrote:

A simple question (and apologies if this has already been answered)....

If I switch over to 3, will i be able to browse any sites I want ( i.e. standard web sites as well as WAP style sites) with the full (i.e. Safari based) browser on my Nokia N93?

Are the only restrictions around using non-browser based E-Mail and also any 3rd party symbian applications that need to access the web?

Thx
C

Caster, its doubtful if you will be able to surf using N93 Safari based web browser. I cannot fire up the browser and get it to connect on my N73. However if I open services browser and then leave it running in the background and then open up web browser it works fine. As I've said though in previous threads, Opera Mobile is working great. I prefer it over the web browser... and i love the web browser on my E61. Operas latest offering edges it though!

Edit: resco news is a 3rd party symbian app that works. Profimail is a symbian app that doesn't. Nokias Catalogs application, also symbian, works so its a mixed bag, again, anything that accesses pop/smtp severs directly doesn't work at present.

caster

quintron wrote:

Caster, its doubtful if you will be able to surf using N93 Safari based web browser. I cannot fire up the browser and get it to connect on my N73. However if I open services browser and then leave it running in the background and then open up web browser it works fine. As I've said though in previous threads, Opera Mobile is working great. I prefer it over the web browser... and i love the web browser on my E61. Operas latest offering edges it though!

Edit: resco news is a 3rd party symbian app that works. Profimail is a symbian app that doesn't. Nokias Catalogs application, also symbian, works so its a mixed bag, again, anything that accesses pop/smtp severs directly doesn't work at present.

Sounds Good - and with Opera Mobile, you can go to pretty much any site (i.e. non-wap/mobile specific site) you like via 3 ? And all at HSDPA speed with no walled garden?

Sounds like very little extra hassle to use the full Nokia browser though too which is great. Really does sound like this may be worth the switch from O2 as i can use the mobile (250 package) for general surfing when out & about and use the home broadband for any downloading

Sam Vimes

quintron wrote:

cv u bill or prepay?

bill

quintron wrote:

UPDATE: https access working okay here. loads internet banking page using Opera Mobile. Have not tried thru Services browser.

what bank are you with? i tried to log into aib with the java version of opera mini and it said the browser was incompatible

quintron

aib, opera mobile (symbian version).

quintron

caster wrote:

Sounds Good - and with Opera Mobile, you can go to pretty much any site (i.e. non-wap/mobile specific site) you like via 3 ? And all at HSDPA speed with no walled garden?

Sounds like very little extra hassle to use the full Nokia browser though too which is great. Really does sound like this may be worth the switch from O2 as i can use the mobile (250 package) for general surfing when out & about and use the home broadband for any downloading

Pretty much any site, limited obviously by handset processor speed, site sizes and certian site elements such as flash or some ajax elements which are not supported in current symbian handset browsers (its a feature present I believe on the newer handsets N95's web browser etc).

Opera mobile is €19. There is a 30 day trial which I am taking advantage of at present, but it looks like its money well spent if it continues to be as fast and reliable as it is at present.

I was going to cancel the 3 bb package until I d/l'd Opera Mobile tbh. After a few days playing with the 3 bb package and opera, its pretty handy. If I had to deal with the services menu on my handset though, the bb package would be gone by now....

I have a raft of mobile portals (eg smallsites, pdaportal et al) bookmarked as well as some text based full sites (The Wire full site for example is great on OM!)
I generally don't visit full sites on my mobile as the phones are too slow at rendering full pages and I have no patience. Then theres skweezer or google mobilizer which strip further full sites by proxy and/or image reduction/elimitation which speed up certain pages dramatically. This means you don't have to switch off images on the program itself but bookmark your full sites without images via skweezer etc.

HSDPA speeds are only available on HSDPA enabled handsets, limited to the MotorolaV3xx on 3's current crop of handsets (i think?!),and thats presuming that 3's mobile broadband package doesn't scale back speed on that handset...

For most handsets including N73 you looking at 3G speeds (384kbps theoretical max). Opera does a good job at compressing and reformatting full size sites to limit bandwidth and data transfer but, again, I'd stick with sites designed for pdas and other mobile devices. In that regard its quite nippy, most definitely faster than services browser!

Hope that helps!

PS: I'm presuming you have a Nokia symbian handset as Opera Mobile is a .sis file.

caster

Great thanks for the info. I have the N93 so i'll be able to run the Opera Mobile .sis file. I'll be switching to either the N95 or E90 when they come out and will make use of the HSDPA then.

3's add-ons sound ideal for my needs when I get the new phone!

flodis79

slartibardfast wrote:

I just got age verified on Three PrePay.

Unfortunately java apps like Gmail and Opera Mini aren't working, as it appears that all outgoing http content is mangled though a proxy (http://mobile.3ireland.ie/3prepayweb/?site=). Its quite aggressive e.g. modifying pages "Mobile Broadband Home" and splitting pages up into sub parts.

Also there is no HTTPS support at all :mad:

On the other hand http://m.google.com, is working ok, making it worthwhile, if not perfect

Sorry if I misunderstood it here, but do you mean you are using the mobile broadband add-ons on prepay?