Cost of a new station

strassenwolf

A quick question.

The new Docklands station is a welcome addition to Dublin's transport, and I'm sure it's going to make a big difference for commuters between Dublin and Clonsilla/Maynooth/Dunboyne/Navan (eventually). My only surprise is that there hasn't been more fuss about it, given that it has effectively doubled the capacity along that route.

The budgeted cost of the station was around €24 million, which struck me as quite a lot for what is effectively just two platforms and a station building. Oh, and some graffiti. It came in a bit cheaper than that. (around €20 million)

Is this the kind of cost which the developers at Adamstown and the Phoenix Park (etc) will be paying out to build those new stations, or can it be done more cheaply? Just wondering, as the developers will presumably pass on the cost to homebuyers in those new developments. In the case of Adamstown, this would amount to around €2,000 per home. (10,000 homes in the development).

MarkoP11

Its more like 5 million a go, that said Adamstown is a 5 platform gig more like 10 million

Irish Rail tacked a lot of other semi related things on to the Docklands budget which a developer would not be liable for even then 24 million budget doesn't stack up, yes Irish Rail refused to comment as to why it was so much when asked

Current capacity increase is of the order of 20% since Irish Rail lack sufficent trains to make it work hence the old train back on the Dublin Sligo this week, it will be at least 2009 before serious capacity comes available

strassenwolf

Thanks a lot for that. €5 million does seem like a more reasonable figure for what is actually involved in construction of a station. Perhaps in the case of Docklands the figure included some upgrading of the track which hadn't been much used for a fairly long time? I don't suppose this would be the case in Adamstown or the other planned stations.

dowlingm

markoP11

some sneaking in of non-related project costs, such as interconnector perhaps?

dmeehan

MarkoP11 wrote:

Its more like 5 million a go, that said Adamstown is a 5 platform gig more like 10 million

here's two photos of the station being built http://adamstown.southdublin.ie/index.php?spgmGal=Adamstown_Railway_Station&spgmPic=0&spgmFilters=&option=com_mambospgm&Itemid=81#pic

Victor

dowlingm wrote:

some sneaking in of non-related project costs, such as interconnector perhaps?

I'm guessing trackwork and signalling all the way back to Phibsborough.

I've realised the station should have been built at East Road (not East Wall Road). It would then have served all lines and the general East Wall area, although not the city centre (it doesn't serve the city centre anyway).

MarkoP11

Or if it was south of Sherrif Street bridge you could certainly get Maynooth and the Park Tunnel line thus making good on the promises given about Kildare Docklands

Should of course note there was a previous station very close to Docklands, its still standing more or less

loyatemu

wouldn't take a huge amount of work to allow Kildare trains access the new station (just a new set of points at Glasnevin afaik). IE just don't want to use the tunnel.

MarkoP11

The Glasnevin option is a non starter on cost and operational grounds, trains to from Connolly would conflict with Kildare Docklands, entire point of the original plan was when there was a Maynooth train to Docklands a Kildare line train was moving in parallel to it on the Drumcondra side thus using otherwise dead capacity, it was quite elegant though most people can't visualise the arrangement of tracks http://www.platform11.org/campaigns/phoenix_tunnel/