Election 2007

Stephen

They apparently don't allow polls on the politics board (including the general election 2007 subforum), so that's why I'm posting this here. Mods, please could you not move it, lest it gets locked over on politics?

Which party do you plan to give your 1st preference vote to in the coming election?

ninebeanrows

This election will be decided by Sinn Fein, i feel there going to have to swing one side of the fence to make a majority government.

But does anyone want them?

brianthebard

I don't know about that, I'm getting sick of hearing about SF and their newfound power. Until I see the election results it just seems like media hype tbh.

Time Magazine

Weathercheck wrote:

This election will be decided by Sinn Fein, i feel there going to have to swing one side of the fence to make a majority government.

Bull. They'll get a maximum of 12 seats. Take my word on FG will not go into government with SF under any circumstances. That leaves FF. I do not think FF will get 70 seats, i.e. the minimum amount needed to form a coalition with SF with 12 (probably closer to 9). Furthermore, I don't think FF will go into government with SF. It's far, far, far more likely they'll go in with Labour if FG+Lab+Green don't have the numbers.

skywalker

Weathercheck wrote:

This election will be decided by Sinn Fein, i feel there going to have to swing one side of the fence to make a majority government.

But does anyone want them?

I reckon you could well be right. Mores the pity.

I honestly dont know who will be getting my vote. I dont think I can justify voting FF any more.

Overheal

All lies: Hillary is gonna win it

brianthebard

Wonder what odds I can get in the bookies of Bertie and co. staging a coup and staying in power for the rest of their lives? You laugh now, but soon....

mikemac

Labour. Not a massive fan of the party but have a lot of repect for our local candidate.

Hoping Sinn Fein don't get into government

Stephen

I probably should have said this in my initial post, but anyways...

I'll be voting Labour, FG, Green in that order. FF/PD have been in power for far too long, and are such a bunch of arrogant arseholes.

Kojak

I definatly won't be voting PD or FF - they have been in power for far too long.

I think I will vote FG, if only to get FF/PD out

Blowfish

Wheres the option for the Atari Jaguar party?

Stephen

They're lumped in with the other slack-jawed losers in "other".

InFront

Fine Gael, cos I think the local candidates are prretty good but ultimately I think a national government headed by Fine Gael promotes a better Ireland. So I'm voting FG-Lab-Green in that order.

FlutterinBantam

Havn't decided yet ,but it won't be SF. Those hoors would bankrupt the country.

Il'l check out who supports risk taking and investment and supports the punter who goes out and helps himself rather than waiting for someone else to do it for him.... wait.. thats the PDs isnt it...

Dave!

Not FF, PD, or FG anyway... I haven't decided between Lab, SF, Green, or Socialist, so I shall read their manifestos and put some questions to them if they knock at my door I'm also listening intently to whatever they're sayin in the media.

partholon

heres hoping this poll last's longer than the last one. that got filleted and wiped the minute it got moved to politics.

like last time SF/GREEN/ INDs. the main parties have abandoned me and my area so theyre not getting my vote. and id vote for a diarratic monkey before id vote PD .

Bob the Builder

Kojak wrote:

I definatly won't be voting PD or FF - they have been in power for far too long.

I think I will vote FG, if only to get FF/PD out

Weee-Heeee, same here! I'm just a bit young yet! hmmm....

Dont be at yourself

Went for Bertie myself, because really, who's going to do any better?

constitutionus

SF myself, just cant vote for the usual suspects as theyre pretty much all the same and dont give a toss about people on my wage or who want a home to raise a family in if it means upsetting their paymasters

Jesus Wept

Stephen wrote:

They apparently don't allow polls on the politics board (including the general election 2007 subforum), so that's why I'm posting this here. Mods, please could you not move it, lest it gets locked over on politics?

Which party do you plan to give your 1st preference vote to in the coming election?

shame there isnt a 'none' option on the poll.

constitutionus

The-Rigger wrote:

shame there isnt a 'none' option on the poll.

considering 40% of the population probably wont come out to vote thats not a bad idea. certainly give an insight to what pop of after hours is too disillusioned to vote.

beanyb

I'd assume that most that are too disillusioned to vote are also too disillusioned to click on a thread that's titled 'Election 2007.'

I'm voting Green. I see very little difference between FF, FG and the PD's, except for the promises Enda Kenny is making that there's no way he can keep. And I feel like he'd make a horrible Taoiseach - the guy has no charisma whatsoever. As for Labour, I'd consider voting for them if they werent so attached to FG. Dont like that at all. And I'd rather chop off my own feet than vote Sinn Fein. So the Greens it is.

brianthebard

I don't think a lack of charisma will make him a lesser taoiseach. I don't think Labour are attached to FG exactly, but with strength of the FF/PD relationship it makes sense for them to have a joint manifesto.

Andrew 83

Labour for me.

ninebeanrows

7 votes for Sinn Fein??? God help us:(

netwhizkid

I will be voting, here in South Kerry.

1. Fine Gael <I support Labour but Fine Gael need the vote more.
2. Labour
3. Fine Gael

South Kerry has three seats with John O'Donoghue FF, Breda Moynihan Labour and Jackie Healy-Rae Independent but Fianna Fail in all but name.

Jackie Healy-Rae is 76 years of age and while I have great respect for him he is simply too old to be a TD and if elected he would only kiss the Ar*e of Bertie if he was stuck for support like the Dail of 1997 - 2002.

If Jackie's son Michael Healy-Rae (cllr) were to run the seat would be safe in Kilgarvan, however all signs from the Raeite camp is that Jackie will try ride the gravy train again.

Fianna Fail think that Tom Fleming of Scartaglen will take Rae's seat however the reality is that Jackie's Seat is destined for the Dingle Peninsula and Seamus Cosai Fitzgerald will be join Bull Donoghue and Breeda Moynihan in the Dail. Tom Fleming is a good worker and deserves a seat but for the fact he is a Fianna Fail candidate.

Voters in Kerry will desert Fianna Fail in droves as throughout Ireland, I predict that this election will be one of the closest ever and one that will be decided primarily by the Media (RTE) and young voters 18-30 who have been completely raped by Fianna Fail and cannot even get on the escalator to the bottom rung of the property ladder while Bertie's buddies make Billions.

I appeal to everybody here who have any sanity at all to for goodness sake to vote for Fine Gael, Labour (especially) and the Green Party, the ideal situation would be if Labour and the Greens could between them form over 50% of the coalition and this would crush off any neo-liberal right wing ideas Fine Gael might have.

Weathercheck

Weathercheck wrote:

7 votes for Sinn Fein??? God help us:(

Has anyone actually seen their policies!! no way.. Stalin would be pleased!
Haven't decided yet.

Dave!

Lads I wouldn't read too much into these poll results! Old women don't usually use the internet Rest assured that FF will still be in government in a year's time (but don't let that stop you voting for someone else!)

Have a look at other opinion poll results if you want an idea of how it will turn out..........

RedC: http://www.redcresearch.ie/results.html

TNS mrbi: http://www.tnsmrbi.ie/cms/uploads/tnsmrbi_jan07_poll.pdf
(pages 6 & 7)

Wertz

As stated in the other thread (that got moved to politics, had poll removed and got turned into an off topic game of quote tennis between a handful of posters). I'll be going SF/greens and perhaps stick a 3 in labour's box.
I am swayed solely by local issues and the two parties I've listed are about the only ones who are and have been talking my language with regards to health and hospitals, education, environment issues and crime.
SF's policies on the economy leave something to be desired but I highly doubt that they'll reach a stage where those policies will in fact matter in the bigger picture....all I really want out of this election is someone fighting my (and my locale's) corner on our issues and concerns instead of lining their pockets with building developer's money...

The_Minister

I'm voting Fiona O'Malley (PDs) No. 1.
Then Mary Hanafin.
After that we'll see.

Politically though (ie. without specific personalities), I would vote:
1. Pds
2. FG
3. FF
4. Labour
5. Greens
6. Christian Solidarity Party
7. No others


I will never vote Sinn Fein, and I'm always disgusted by those who know that they were violent, who know that they are bad for the country, but vote for them anyway because they got the local teenagers to stop hanging around (no matter what means were employed).

miju

The_Minister wrote:

I will never vote Sinn Fein, and I'm always disgusted by those who know that they were violent, who know that they are bad for the country, but vote for them anyway because they got the local teenagers to stop hanging around (no matter what means were employed).

I'm voting SF because they are the ONLY party in my area who have actively worked and done things for my area. Lets face it if FF can't sort local issues and they are in power then they obviously dont give a flying **** .

Quite frankly I'm disgusted with people who refuse to budge from their all so mighty moral perch of theirs. There policies and direction have changed and they should be encouraged to do so more....it's called making progress :rolleyes: Anyways, FF's economic policies are just as bad and the "Celtic Tiger" they like to take credit for was nothing more than a fluke I'm half tempted to vote FF so when the economy gets very ropey as it looks like it will another mainstream party wont get the blame.

brianthebard

The_Minister wrote:

Politically though (ie. without specific personalities), I would vote:
1. Pds
2. FG
3. FF
4. Labour
5. Greens
6. Christian Solidarity Party
7. No others
.

Just wondering why you put FG before FF, ideologically FF has more in common with the PD's which I would've thought is a good thing as they are your first choice?

Dave!

Anybody able to tell me who brought in the following policies....

- Free tuition fees for 3rd-level education
- Low corporation tax

Which governments brought in these and what ministers?

Cheers! I shalln't be voting on this basis but it's interesting none the less!

brianthebard

Pretty sure it was the last Fg/Lab coalition. I don't like to think in terms of what they did last time around though because the party and members have changed so much, you can't be guaranteed it would be the same again.

nlgbbbblth

1 Greens
2 Labour

f*ck the rest.

kraggy

DaveMcG wrote:

- Free tuition fees for 3rd-level education

= Labour (Niamh Breathnach, Dun Laoighre)

- Low corporation tax

not sure

InFront

DaveMcG wrote:

Anybody able to tell me who brought in the following policies....

- Low corporation tax

Labour again (Ruairi Quinn) as far as I know. 80% certain of that, can anyone confirm?

The_Minister

brianthebard wrote:

Just wondering why you put FG before FF, ideologically FF has more in common with the PD's which I would've thought is a good thing as they are your first choice?

Common mistake, actually the PDs have far more in common with Fine Gael then Fianna Fail.

brianthebard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland_corporation_tax#Se.C3.A1n_Lemass_and_after

MaCreevy apparently.

Agent Smith

Voting FG, LAB, GREEN, in that order

Time Magazine

DaveMcG wrote:

Anybody able to tell me who brought in the following policies....

- Free tuition fees for 3rd-level education
- Low corporation tax

Which governments brought in these and what ministers?

Cheers! I shalln't be voting on this basis but it's interesting none the less!

Both of these were brought in under the Fine Gael/Labour coalition.

InFront

brianthebard wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland_corporation_tax#Se.C3.A1n_Lemass_and_after

MaCreevy apparently.

Conflicting evidence

http://www.nui.ie/news/pdf/2005/citations_hon_con05/bruton.pdf

His [John Bruton's] government was responsible for the introduction of the Corporate Tax policy (12.5% on all
companies) which was a major factor in Ireland's economic success.

DonJose

FlutterinBantam wrote:

Havn't decided yet ,but it won't be SF. Those hoors would bankrupt the country.

Sure aren't already we heading in that direction already Our labour market is overpriced. Jobs are flying abroad. We have one of the worst health services in the world but we spend hundreds of millions on a motorway the tax payer already paid for. We paid hundreds of millions on a health pay system that doesn't work. The list goes on and on, the government loves wasting money we don't have on stuff we don't need.

brianthebard

InFront wrote:

Conflicting evidence

http://www.nui.ie/news/pdf/2005/citations_hon_con05/bruton.pdf

NUIM is never right!!:D

DonJose

partholon wrote:

heres hoping this poll last's longer than the last one. that got filleted and wiped the minute it got moved to politics.

Yeah, SF were ahead in the poll, somebody didn't like what they were seeing so they wiped it

InFront

NUIM is never right!!

says the guy quoting wikipedia!

brianthebard

InFront wrote:

says the guy quoting wikipedia!

Hey I have three years experience of NUIM I know what I'm talking about!! Plus I couldn't find a better source at the time, but I'll have another look. I was fairly certain it was the last FG/Lab coalition too.

brianthebard

http://www.lowtax.net/lowtax/html/jirdctx.html This site says that the 12.5% rate came in in 1998/99, which was FF/PD government wasn't it?

InFront

Yes, strange that. Maybe the FG-Lab Government introduced and began a specific roadmap for lower taxation that was interrupted by the election and was carried on by thr new Government? After all, corp. tax used to be 40% when FG came to office, a drop to 12.5% would have to be phased in gradually.
That's just speculation, I have no idea why there's a discrepancy.

Could be a big PD Conspiracy theory...

nesf

I've added a none option for all those non-voter types.

Try to remember that this isn't Politics lads and not drag party line politics in here. (i.e. don't treat this thread as a soapbox)

brianthebard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_McCreevy

One more link, apparently he just said fuck this and slashed the percentage? I couldn't find anything bout it on the John Bruton page so I presume this is correct, even if it is wiki.

Well it doesn't specifically mention corporate tax. I dunno its late.