Irish Open Satellite at the Sporting Emporium Tue 20th March

Ollieboy

kpnuts wrote:

I asked to see Ollie's cards at the conclusion of a massive pot in which Willow went all-in on the river and Ollie called (for IanMac's benefit, it was Willow and not Ollie that was all-in here, Ollie had a stack behind).

Anyway, I was the big blind in the hand, so naturally I was curious to see what cards Ollie had been raising my BB with. So while Ollie was mucking, and before Ollie's cards actually hit the muck, I asked the dealer not to put his cards in the muck while we got a ruling.

Dealer gathered in his cards, however, but she kept them at the edge of the muck and everyone else at the table except Ollie agreed that they were identifiably his cards. TD John made a ruling, said Ollie's cards were in the muck and were staying there.

I accepted the ruling, no problem whatsoever. I didn't call anyone's integrity or honour into question, merely asked to see an opponent's cards at showdown, which I am entitled to.

Storm in a teacup.

Wow, I'm totally shock at your recollection of events that you have KP and this is far from over and definately far from a storm in a tea cup. I declared my had verbally to you as the cards were the muck, but you refused to accept this and want the cards taken out of the muck. I only had 1600 left 200/400 blinds and 100 ante so I was more or less allin and out of the game. You behaviour was totally unacceptable and you called my honesty and integrity into question along with making everyone else on the table feeling uncomfortable, just because it was your bb i raise. I found this totally childish on your behalf. I also offer to take the cards out of the muck as I had nothing to gain at this stage and either did you. I can post a full run down of the events at a later stage if required, but I told you if you ask for a ruling after me declaring my hand, that I would take it as a personal insult.

I decided to retract the above statement as I felt this was not the place to discuss this matter with you, but seen as you have now already told misinformation about what happen, I think this is a matter that will have to be sort between us. ( and not a grudge match before anyone asks). I also wish you and the rest of the table good luck when leaving and didnt even get a acknowledge from you. I've very disappoint by your behaviour as I would have expect more from a pro-player, but this matter is now personal and I'll accept a full apology but wish to have no further conversation or involved with you after this matter is over.

You can pm me for my mobile number required.

Oliver

DapperGent

Pomposity lol.

kpnuts

Ollieboy wrote:

Wow, I'm totally shock at your recollection of events that you have KP and this is far from over and definately far from a storm in a tea cup. I declared my had verbally to you as the cards were the muck, but you refused to accept this and want the cards taken out of the muck. I only had 1600 left 200/400 blinds and 100 ante so I was more or less allin and out of the game. You behaviour was totally unacceptable and you called my honesty and integrity into question along with making everyone else on the table feeling uncomfortable, just because it was your bb i raise. I found this totally childish on your behalf. I also offer to take the cards out of the muck as I had nothing to gain at this stage and either did you. I can post a full run down of the events at a later stage if required, but I told you if you ask for a ruling after me declaring my hand, that I would take it as a personal insult.

I decided to retract the above statement as I felt this was not the place to discuss this matter with you, but seen as you have now already told misinformation about what happen, I think this is a matter that will have to be sort between us. ( and not a grudge match before anyone asks). I also wish you and the rest of the table good luck when leaving and didnt even get a acknowledge from you. I've very disappoint by your behaviour as I would have expect more from a pro-player, but this matter is now personal and I'll accept a full apology but wish to have no further conversation or involved with you after this matter is over.

You can pm me for my mobile number required.

Oliver

LOL

Jesus Wept

BigCityBanker wrote:

"Ah I dont bother with them pot odds, sure if you didnt get your money in behind in this game you'd never make a shilling"

The Chief advises on strategy and pot odds!!

one of the best poker quotes ever! Can I steal it? I want to see it everyday


I knocked the Chief out last night, I was fully expecting to get chiefed (hoping, in a sick way, my day will come no doubt!).

I even asked him was he going to Chief me, just to encourage him to call and remind him of the prize on offer.

I think there should be a Chief related forum. :rolleyes:

A poker book from the Chief? Any idea's on potential titles?


'Deuce on the river' by The Chief.

LuckyLloyd

kpnuts wrote:

LOL

All I will say is that the above is probably unhelpful as, even if you don't agree with his point of view, Ollie seems seriously offended by what went on.

Ollieboy

kpnuts wrote:

LOL

Proves my point.

You were in the wrong and now you cant backtrack from it and the whole table saw it. Maybe you should try acting like a man sometime....

Solksjaer

Objective opinion here...and this does bring up an interesting point in general about poker.

If someone asks me what cards I have before/after I mucked them, I'd usually lie. I do however consider my integrity to be of the highest but I leave a bit of it at the door when I'm playing poker. Opponents want info, we should normally not want to give them the info. If someone insults you directly that's one thing but when it comes to trying to get info
your word or anyone elses word should not be taken at face value, after all why would you tell the truth, poker is not about that, especially hold em. It's about deception amongst other things. I don't think it should be looked upon as a personal insult. It's a thin line but if you look at it from the outside you'll see what I mean.

Having said that I'm sure an experienced player like you would know this so I'm guessing there is something else going on here. Pardon the intrusion, but it does bring up an interesting point.

ntlbell

I think Ollie is jealous that KP can wear a Fedora and still look cool.

BigCityBanker

The-Rigger wrote:

one of the best poker quotes ever! Can I steal it? I want to see it everyday .

go for it.

The-Rigger wrote:

'Deuce on the river' by The Chief.

all time bestseller - the chapter on opponents reverse implied 2 outer tilt odds will surely go down a treat.

KP/Ollie - come on now lads, the poker circut in Ireland is a small one and you both will be in each others company many many times again. You are both highly respected players who have no need to get into this on a public forum.

Solksjaer

ntlbell wrote:

I think Ollie is jealous that KP can wear a Fedora and still look cool.

Spiral cool?
Chief Cool?
Mercat cool?

Not any cool looking dudes on the Irish poker scene, although I think I'm the only one who can look cool in the clothes I wear. Dunnes finest..(oops advertising can get me banned..again)

El Stuntman

celebrity deathmatch:

the rules of the game vs the spirit of the game

result: no winner

Jesus Wept

BigCityBanker wrote:

all time bestseller - the chapter on opponents reverse implied 2 outer tilt odds will surely go down a treat.

In my dreams, I see Chief at a table with Phil Helmuth, and dogging him in the worst way and then telling him 'you got chiefed'. And the carnage that ensues.

ntlbell

Solksjaer wrote:

Spiral cool?
Chief Cool?
Mercat cool?

Not any cool looking dudes on the Irish poker scene, although I think I'm the only one who can look cool in the clothes I wear. Dunnes finest..(oops advertising can get me banned..again)

I'll be looking rather cool when I sport my "We won the treble" on the front and F*CKING AGAIN!!! on the back.

Solksjaer

Im my dream, Tony G calls the chiefs all-in with AA and gets dogged by K J. As Tony G rises to launch a into a tirade of abuse. A fanfare noise goes off and Tong G gets presented with a 'congratulations, you've been chiefed' prize , a freeroll into the Sporting Emporiums Wednesday game plus a copy of the Chiefs new book. 'rags for riches' .

Solksjaer

ntlbell wrote:

I'll be looking rather cool when I sport my "We won the treble" on the front and F*CKING AGAIN!!! on the back.

I really hope you get to wear that one. I'd be happy to take the title though.

phantom_lord

ntlbell wrote:

I'll be looking rather cool when I sport my "We won the treble" on the front and F*CKING AGAIN!!! on the back.

ship it!

Jesus Wept

Solksjaer wrote:

Im my dream, Tony G calls the chiefs all-in with AA and gets dogged by K J. As Tony G rises to launch a into a tirade of abuse. A fanfare noise goes off and Tong G gets presented with a 'congratulations, you've been chiefed' prize , a freeroll into the Sporting Emporiums Wednesday game plus a copy of the Chiefs new book. 'rags for riches' .

KJ is the nuts for Chief, he could dog him with a lot worse, an Acey Deucey

LuckyLloyd

ntlbell wrote:

I'll be looking rather cool when I sport my "We won the treble" on the front and F*CKING AGAIN!!! on the back.

no

ntlbell

LuckyLloyd wrote:

no

No they won't win the treble or no it wouldn't look cool.

You're starting to sound like Valor.

LuckyLloyd

ntlbell wrote:

You're starting to sound like Valor.

That was my intention on this occassion. Both btw.

ocallagh

I never tell the truth at the poker table. Nobody does. I've been caught out a few times, and it's embarrasing to say the least. You definitely need a tough skin when playing poker. It's not a question of honesty or integrity, it's just poker. KP was playing by the rules Olly, nothing wrong with that.

Gholimoli

i got chifed .
my QQ v 77 and he hits the case 7 on the flop to knock me out.
that is all.

ianmc38

ocallagh wrote:

I never tell the truth at the poker table. Nobody does. I've been caught out a few times, and it's embarrasing to say the least. You definitely need a tough skin when playing poker. It's not a question of honesty or integrity, it's just poker. KP was playing by the rules Olly, nothing wrong with that.

Totally agree with Niall and I think ken asking to see the cards is fine.

Jesus Wept

Gholimoli wrote:

i got chifed .
my QQ v 77 and he hits the case 7 on the flop to knock me out.
that is all.

Was getting chiefed everything you had hoped it would be?

Any advice to someone who is still waiting to be chiefed?

BigCityBanker

The-Rigger wrote:

Any advice to someone who is still waiting to be chiefed?

get yourself into the SE more often, he plays every night.

On Monday night he called an all in with Qh3h for about 35% of his stack. Later he called an all in with 62o against a shorties JJ and hit two pair - and I believe it wasnt a case of "call with any 2 - im priced in"

A few weeks ago he reraised me all in with A8o against my JJ - I flop a set and he get RR straight - tis unreal what goes on in there..

ditpoker

the more i think about it the more i'm confident my exit hand is the worst hand of poker i have played in about 18 months.

LuckyLloyd

ditpoker wrote:

the more i think about it the more i'm confident my exit hand is the worst hand of poker i have played in about 18 months.

Yeah, twas pretty crap tbh.

ditpoker

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Yeah, twas pretty crap tbh.

ditpoker = donk

LuckyLloyd

BigCityBanker wrote:

get yourself into the SE more often, he plays every night.

On Monday night he called an all in with Qh3h for about 35% of his stack. Later he called an all in with 62o against a shorties JJ and hit two pair - and I believe it wasnt a case of "call with any 2 - im priced in"

A few weeks ago he reraised me all in with A8o against my JJ - I flop a set and he get RR straight - tis unreal what goes on in there..

The Chief had a few losing months after he stopped fluking hands despite making spewy moves like those described above. Now he is back running better than God and has started getting a few results. The swagger has reappeared aswell. *Shudders*

El Stuntman

LuckyLloyd wrote:

The Chief had a few losing months after he stopped fluking hands despite making spewy moves like those described above. Now he is back running better than God and has started getting a few results. The swagger has reappeared aswell. *Shudders*

has he qualified for the Open?

LuckyLloyd

El Stuntman wrote:

has he qualified for the Open?

Yup.

kevthecelt

I was playing a satellite with him before hand lst night and apparently hes won 4 tickets already(true?) he had a massive chip lead at the table and donked it all off

semibluff

the four tickets he referred to were free entries into the io qualifier

Ollieboy

Sorry Niall and Ian but your totally wrong and its nothing to do with been thick or light skin for that matter. Also without full details of the instant or talking to someone else at the table I dont understand how either of you could take this line, unless you've been talking to Ken, which as already proved he cant remember the full story.

Its bad ethic at the table to ask the losing player to show his hand, but its even worse ethic to ask the deal to remove them from the muck. I dont mind anyone asking to see cards at showdown, but I would never ask another player, specially if the pot in question as cripple them or knock the player out. Also, there is the correct way to asks and shouting at people is defo not the way.

The cards were in the muck, I offer to take them out of the muck and show but was not given this option, ( this was me been helpiful), when I was not allowed to take them out, I declared my hand. Nobody on the table had any interest what the hand was except KP. I dont know what sort of idiot KP is, but asking to see a hand in a big pot like this indicates that I must have had a set or 2 pair or flush, so all the info he was getting was that I had a raising hand preflop that I raise with. When I told him that I had 88 he refused to accept this and still ask for the TD to make a ruling. Now every beginner knows you cant take cards out of the muck so why he need a ruling is beyond me.

As I already mention, I told Ken if he ask for a ruling I would take this as a insult, there is honour between players and telling lies during a hand or after is fair enough, but some of us understand when there is nothing to be gain out of lying. Ken insisted on a ruling, which he was never going to get anyway. I would lend money to any player on the circuit due to the fact of honour between players.

As far as I'm concern Ken as been insulting to me and the game of poker in general. I've discuss what happen with a number of people last night and since and they totally agree Ken was out of order and been a total muppet. I would have accept Ken as a mate before this incident, but now I wont tell you what I think of him. This matter will not be drop and I hope Ken can find a apology, so we can move on.

ianmc38

It's bad etiquette but it's within the laws of the game. If someone was raising my blinds all night I might ask the dealer to see a hand that was mucked at showdown to get some information.

As far as I'm aware some cardrooms have a ruling that if the dealer can clearly identify both the players cards in the muck, they can be retrieved and shown.

ditpoker

Ollieboy wrote:

I would lend money to any player on the circuit due to the fact of honour between players.

I'm shy about €3,450 for a tournament in april.

i think it is poor ettiquette to ask to see them, and i'm 99% certain that if it was just another mug kp wouldnt bother asking to see the cards, but I think its because he respects you as a player that he will probably play against numerous times in the future that he wanted a bit of info.

ianmc38

yeah lending money to people is generally a bad idea. Whatever about honour. I'm still owed money by 2 fairly well known players.

To quote Will again:

"Neither a borrower nor a lender be" is the best advice for everyone IMO.

Ollieboy

Ian I've never seen that anywhere in the world not mind Ireland if that was rule in any casino, I would not player there.

The above is my final post on the subject, this is not a matter for boards in general and it was not my intention for this to be discussed here. I will be take this matter up with Ken directly the next time I see him.

Ollieboy

I take the thing back about lending money....lol

ianmc38

Ollieboy wrote:

I will be take this matter up with Ken directly the next time I see him.

I might start a book in a separate thread.

Ken "The Man from Del Monte" Powell vs Ollie "The insert nickname here" Boyce

nicnicnic

The-Rigger wrote:

I knocked the Chief out last night, I was fully expecting to get chiefed (hoping, in a sick way, my day will come no doubt!).

[/B]' by The Chief.

cough cough, I do remember you winning a hand against the Chief but am quite sure that it was indeed myself who finished him off in a three way pot that included Dacman KJ the chief AQ and the set hitting 1010 for my self.

I feel your original statement is bringing my integrity and honesty into question and feel a public apology is warranted

Flushdraw

ianmc38 wrote:

It's bad etiquette but it's within the laws of the game. If someone was raising my blinds all night I might ask the dealer to see a hand that was mucked at showdown to get some information.

As far as I'm aware some cardrooms have a ruling that if the dealer can clearly identify both the players cards in the muck, they can be retrieved and shown.

Ian, i dont believe that you'd ever ask the dealer to take a players cards from the muck. I'd never do this and i wouldnt really expect any player to do so. If Ollie was called at showdown, i might ask to see them before he mucked, but if he mucked without showing i'd presume he had rubbish no matter what he tells me. But the point being, i wouldnt risk making the man look like a fool by asking for a ruling to see his mucked cards to prove him wrong.

ianmc38

Well maybe not from the muck. i'd probably have asked to see the cards as he mucks them...

BigCityBanker

Flushdraw wrote:

i wouldnt risk making the man look like a fool

tis alright Tony - Ollie normally has this one well covered!!

Solksjaer

I wouldn't consider myself a mate of anyone on the Dublin Poker scene but I do like a good few of the people. Ollieboy I've met and is likeable. I'm played a couple of times with the KP chappie and he seems affable, so my guess is a quick pint of plain and a chinwag between them will sort it out. I'd be too stubborn myself but then that's a character leak..

Go for it lads.....I'd be interested to hear the outcome of your discussions (just on the etiquette question)

Rgds
WillieC

MrPillowTalk

Think your a little out of order on this one Ollie. Kp asking to see your cards is completely within the rules and completely understandable if he was bb to your button, I think your being a little shortsighted saying that you "told him your hand allready" I for one dont believe anything untill I see cards. And in fairness you brought it up on the forum not Ken.

Personally I find it a little distasteful that you would call Ken an idiot, muppet, childish etc when he never wavered from the rules and anyone who knows him knows these comments to be untrue.

30something

Enough of this Ollie v KP already!

I don't think it will help if others comment and give their opinions in a public forum on this issue because it's personal between the two of them. Ollie and KP need to sort this out themselves and throw away remarks will simply fuel the fire.

Solksjaer

I agree with you 30 something....although someone pls find out the ruling/etiquette on the muck retrival thing, I'm interested in this part.

phantom_lord

30something wrote:

Ollie v KP

hu for bankrolls.

semibluff

once in the muck, they are gone - no matter what, even if they can be exactly defined. the muck is like the bottomless pit - if they go in they cant come back out. if they havnt hit any of the cards in the muck then its a diff story.
i stand to be corrected but this is the rule that was applied in dublin, aswell as in a number of US casinos