[US/IRL] 3X13 - "The Man From Tallahassee" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

gandalf

8

Not quite a 10 but 9 just for the scene where Locke gets his back broken.

Saw the twist coming when Ben said "lets see whats in the box". Getting back on track.

upmeath

7

magick wrote:

when the others find him on the dock hes soaking wet, i mean not sweating, his shirt and pants and face are covered in water, did Locke blow up the Sub or Con the others into thinking he blew up the sub?

Why would he want to con them into thinking that, and how else did it blow up?

5uspect

6

Great theory...but

wouldn't there be wreckage from the sub?

upmeath

7

Yeah 5uspect, we saw metal plates flying sky high in the background as it blew up!

upmeath

7

Yeah 5uspect, we saw

metal plates flying sky high in the background as it blew up!

doonothing

did locke really just blow up the sub cos he didnt want daddy to find him? thats crap. im not havin that.

i dunno if that even seems like a locke thing to do! i hope thats not the end of that part of the story. really lookin forward to next week though...

ZiabR

8

doonothing wrote:

did locke really just blow up the sub cos he didnt want daddy to find him? thats crap. im not havin that.

i dunno if that even seems like a locke thing to do! i hope thats not the end of that part of the story. really lookin forward to next week though...

Nah i cant see him blowing up the sup for that reason. I think he does not want to leave the Island, because it has given him the ability to walk again among other things. He wants nothing to change because he has something back that was robbed from him.

badgerbadger

good ep bout time we saw how Locke got paralysed
there is one spot on the island where healin is faster locke sat there when his leg got crushed by the door in the swan Ben should go there if he wants to walk

if the box is like the one in the Flan OBrien novel the Third Policeman then what comes out of the box you cant bring with you out of where the box is

Mr.Nice Guy

8

What a gripping episode. I rate it a 9.

Anyone else think that the healing properties of the island might have been affected by the destruction of the Hatch? We know Ben typed in the numbers when Locke was trapped under the door so it seems he was aware of the significance of the place.

upmeath wrote:

Yeah 5uspect, we saw metal plates flying sky high in the background as it blew up!

Doesn't mean it was the submarine though. We didn't actually see for definite that the submarine was destroyed. Alex said that her father manipulates people into doing what he wants so maybe Locke made note of that and moved the sub. It would explain why he was wet.

Not sure what to make of Anthony Cooper's appearance. I'm guessing it's a way of testing Locke to see if he will kill him.

I think it's becoming clear that Locke is the key to solving the mystery of the island.

Unpossible

9

magick wrote:

and said that he checked Lockes C.V. and he had a Colonel description on it

2 problems,
1) according to wikipedia, Colonel is a Military/Air Force rank, not a Navey rank http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel , maybe you are thinking of Commander

2) as far as I remember Lockes boss didnt read that in Lockes CV, it was a friend of Lockes who called him that because of a role-playing wargame that they both played (Locke made some comment like "its just a game I can play a game on my lunch break", also his boss commented "you were never in the armed forces")

upmeath

7

doonothing wrote:

did locke really just blow up the sub cos he didnt want daddy to find him? thats crap. im not havin that.

i dunno if that even seems like a locke thing to do! i hope thats not the end of that part of the story. really lookin forward to next week though...

No, he just didn't want to ever leave the island and he didn't want anybody to have any means by which to do it.
I doubt you'll be getting any further development of that story for up to 3 episodes, this week's episode revolves around

Paulo & Nikki (you know it's a filler episode when they're using 2 survivors they just invented this season to base the episode around). There's also a bit of a storyline about how somebody in the Losties camp has been working with the Others or some sort of inside man story like that.

badgerbadger

walt and michael left on a boat and were told to follow some compas point there has to be more boats on the island

Spider_Baby!

upmeath wrote:

No, he just didn't want to ever leave the island and he didn't want anybody to have any means by which to do it.
I doubt you'll be getting any further development of that story for up to 3 episodes, this week's episode revolves around

Paulo & Nikki (you know it's a filler episode when they're using 2 survivors they just invented this season to base the episode around). There's also a bit of a storyline about how somebody in the Losties camp has been working with the Others or some sort of inside man story like that.

Maybe they're bringing Paulo into it more after he was in 300?

ZiabR

8

Spider_Baby! wrote:

Maybe they're bringing Paulo into it more after he was in 300?

If that was their only reason for bringing a new char into the show i would not be happy :P

damnyanks

for sparrtaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

5

A better than average episode .
LoL at all the 9's and 10's again-what are ye going to do when theres a really good episode (better than this one)
Something tells me though that if there was an 11 or 12 up there thats where most voters would go.
My newspaper won't be hiring.

MMM

is the sub nuclear? does this mean the island is now nuclearly contaminated?

ZiabR

8

MMM wrote:

is the sub nuclear? does this mean the island is now nuclearly contaminated?

Nah i doubt it is a nuclear sub tbh. In saying that. Has anyone noticed one major thing. If the village where to others live is in the middle of the Island in between the two mountains we have seen before. How did the sub get into the middle of the Island? The sub was docked in the village with the others so there must be a series of underwater tunnels that allowed the sub to get to the village.

Anyone else noticed this?

badgerbadger

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

Anyone else think that the healing properties of the island might have been affected by the destruction of the Hatch? We know Ben typed in the numbers when Locke was trapped under the door so it seems he was aware of the significance of the place.

ben had cancer before the destruction of the hatch
i think ben isn't healed because he was born there and is effected less by the healing powers
ben probly typed in the numbers to keep communication with the outside world

Talisman

Hyzepher wrote:

Also, if the sonic fence surrounded the camp, then why was it easy to get to the ocean/dock - surely anyone with a boat or who could swim could therefore access the camp.

The Land That Time Forgot - In the movie, the submarine goes through an under sea tunnel/channel and emerges in the centre of an island. Given the geography of the island in Lost, I would say that something similar occurs, i.e. there is an under water tunnel for the submarine to get out to sea.

ZiabR

8

Talisman wrote:

The Land That Time Forgot - In the movie, the submarine goes through an under sea tunnel/channel and emerges in the centre of an island. Given the geography of the island in Lost, I would say that something similar occurs, i.e. there is an under water tunnel for the submarine to get out to sea.

Yup agreed. As i said above, there has to be underwater tunnels.

Catsmokinpot

9

amazing episode, i take everything i said about lost back, and the the patented lost "what the fúck?!" ending was brilliant 10/10

Jimboo_Jones

2

I dont know about this episode of Lost, I am wondering just what value Loche brings to the group, all he does is make bad decisions and appears that he wants everyone to stay on the island and live like cavemen! And it seems every single one of his flashbacks is of him being screwed over somehow, maybe thats the point, that he was a nobody on the outside but on the island he is someone people look up to (though I doubt that they will anymore).

Loche used to be my favourite charactor, along with Eko, now one of them is dead and the other one I wish was dead

Mattie B

7

Alright guys first post here have to say i like the theory about locke not blowing up the sub explains him being wet and would be a great move have a submarine stashed away just in case

Arathorn

Wasn't too happy seeing his father at the end, I guess because the whole magic box thing explains nearly everthing (including that) as supernatural which seems a bit of a cop out, I keep hoping there's real world explanations, this coupled with Desmonds time travel make it v unlikely. Great episode all the same

The Gnome

6

Great episode, I'll give it a 7 though as Lost can be better...

In relation to how Cooper got to the Island I think he may have either been recruited or crashed there. My main reason for this is a quote from the FBI agents saying Cooper had fled the state and instead of saying "He could be anywhere in the country" they said "He could be anywhere in the world." Seemed to be a sneaky hint to me anyway. Plus it looked disheveled enough to have been there a while.

Ben was a good as ever, I particularly liked "No John, we don't have a code for 'there's a man hiding in my closet with a gun to my daughters head'...... although we obviously should." Fantastic.

Talisman

Cooper isn't really Locke’s biological father, it was just part of his con to get a kidney - "You needed a father, I needed a kidney. Get over it".

abelard

7

Talisman wrote:

Cooper isn't really Locke’s biological father, it was just part of his con to get a kidney - "You needed a father, I needed a kidney. Get over it".

I've been wondering about that for a while. Was it ever actually said in the show that they're biologically related?

ZiabR

8

abelard wrote:

I've been wondering about that for a while. Was it ever actually said in the show that they're biologically related?

No not that i remember. Although you have to remember that it was John’s mother that called John to help, what she called his father. I think they are biologically related but John’s father did con him and never really cared for him.

Agamemnon

7

Great stuff, Lost is really back on form lately. Locke being shoved out the window was a classic Lost :eek: moment. Locke is going to be a very unpopular man from now on with both the Losties and the Others. Only Ben can protect him now. Jack looked like he was ready to break Locke's back all over again.

I don't mind a few more stand-alone episodes now cos the writers have driven the plot on a lot recently. Looking forward to an episode featuring a lot of Nikki.

kevmy

Okay good episode again. Lost's keeping up the pace and form of the last couple of ep's.
Couple of things. Interesting theory about the submarine. There really is no reason for Locke to be all wet as he didn't get wet going into the sub.
Also Ben said it was there only way of the island but if I'm not mistaken they still have Desmonds yacht which is obviously capable of long distance travel (he was on a round the world race). Also the should have fuel for the yacht cos they had a boat themselves but gave it to Micheal and Walt.
Can't wait to see the next Sawyer flashback as it should be interesting now, should be pretty soon to as we haven't had one from him in a while. With Jack, Locke, Kate and Sayid all now in the Others hands it's time for Sawyer and Jin to step up again as leaders of the Losties.

fobs

7

Really enjoyed this episode of lost but was not too surprised at the end to see the father (and thought I should have been!)
His father really is a nasty piece of work and can't see him adding anything positive to the show!
Also like the idea that John didn't blow up the submarine as it would be a nice twist. I hope there is still a scientific explanation to this series as would hate if its a science fiction or implausable explanation!

Old_-_School

I presumed Locke was wet because he planted the C4 on the outside of the sub.
Why do people say that Ben manipulated Locke - Locke's plan was to blow up the sub so I don't see how Ben manipulated him into doing anything he wasn't going to do already.

ZiabR

8

Old_-_School wrote:

I presumed Locke was wet because he planted the C4 on the outside of the sub.
Why do people say that Ben manipulated Locke - Locke's plan was to blow up the sub so I don't see how Ben manipulated him into doing anything he wasn't going to do already.

If Locke planted the C4 on the outside of the sub then why did he open the hatch and go inside? I think he planted the C4 inside the sub but i don't know how he got wet.

Talisman

logik wrote:

No not that i remember. Although you have to remember that it was John’s mother that called John to help, what she called his father.

The important thing to remember is that she turned up out of the blue when Cooper was looking for a kidney. Locke had no prior knowledge of his parents. The DNA test proved she was his biological mother and after that he took her word for Cooper being his father. Because of the fact that Locke was a match for Cooper to get a kidney it has been assumed that they are related. However being family is not a requirement and does not guarantee you can swap kidneys with your siblings or parents, you can just as easily get a kidney from a stranger provided the blood type is compatible. The problem is persuading that stranger to give up a kidney for you.

catho_monster

logik wrote:

If Locke planted the C4 on the outside of the sub then why did he open the hatch and go inside? I think he planted the C4 inside the sub but i don't know how he got wet.

if he planted the c4 on the sub, wouldnt he have to get out of it before it blew up. thereby requiring him to swim away from it, explaining why he got wet?

kevmy

catho_monster wrote:

if he planted the c4 on the sub, wouldnt he have to get out of it before it blew up. thereby requiring him to swim away from it, explaining why he got wet?

Not necessarily because he got onto the sub without getting wet. Therefore if he planted it inside the sub he should have been able to get out of the sub without getting wet. Now if he planted it on the outside hull of the sub he would have got wet but that doesn't explain why he went inside in the first place.

Then again maybe he just wanted a nosy around in there to see if there was anything interesting in it.


Ben manipulated Locke by doing everything possible to try and get him to blow up the sub. He used simple reverse psychology. He actually wanted the sub blow up so Juliet and the rest of the Others would be more committed/stuck on the island.

5uspect

6

catho_monster wrote:

if he planted the c4 on the sub, wouldnt he have to get out of it before it blew up. thereby requiring him to swim away from it, explaining why he got wet?

Well no because he managed to get into it without getting wet.

EDIT snap!

catho_monster

kevmy wrote:

Not necessarily because he got onto the sub without getting wet. Therefore if he planted it inside the sub he should have been able to get out of the sub without getting wet. Now if he planted it on the outside hull of the sub he would have got wet but that doesn't explain why he went inside in the first place.

sorry, i was going on the assumption that he would have blown the sub up away from the dock to not damage the docklands area.
so if he drove the sub out, planted the c4, left the sub underwater and swam back then he'd be wet, right?
which would explain why the sub wasnt at the dock when it blew up.

btw, i dont even believe that he blew up the sub, i think he just wants them to believe he did.
but i dont think him being wet swings it either way.

badgerbadger

locke blew up the sub so no one can get off the island so i assume he wouldn't care about the dock being blown up or not

catho_monster

ok fine.
then why was the sub not at the dock when the others and jack arrived, when they met locke wet, just before the c4 went off?
because the sub was underwater.
which means locke would have got wet getting out of it.

AnonoBoy

catho_monster wrote:

ok fine.
then why was the sub not at the dock when the others and jack arrived, when they met locke wet, just before the c4 went off?
because the sub was underwater.
which means locke would have got wet getting out of it.

Yeah, that's right. He submerged the sub before getting out if it. :rolleyes:
That's smart thinking.

catho_monster

ok. jeez. i must be having a really slow day that i can't explain this thing that i think its so self-evident that im losing my mind in explaining it.

fine.
he didnt submerge the sub.

all i was saying earlier was that if he wasnt bothered by damaging the dock, and we couldnt see it, then it must be underwater. which backs up my point really, that it wasnt underwater at all, but moved.

isnt it at all possible that he moved the sub, left it above water. climbed out of it. AND HAD TO SWIM BACK? ... IN THE WATER....GETTING WET.

somebody tell me why else he was wet?

or why him being wet is such a big deal at all?

how could he not get wet? unless he stepped off the dock into the sub, then back off the sub onto the dock. but the sub wasnt at the dock when everyone arrived.

[edit]i was thinking of the underwater thingy because i thought he hid the sub instead of blowing it up. and hiding stuff underwater sounds like a good idea. thats what happens when you do boards at work. my brain is tired. my point still stands though with everything but the underwater bit.

Star Lord

9

I actually agree with catho_monster.

I think he hid the sub, and swam back to the dock so people would see him coming from the dock. Only explanation for him being soaking.

ZiabR

8

DamoElDiablo wrote:

I actually agree with catho_monster.

I think he hid the sub, and swam back to the dock so people would see him coming from the dock. Only explanation for him being soaking.

So he piloted the sub and has it hid away for himself if he ever needs it? Where did he learn the control a sub? I can't imagine it being easy. But yes it is possible he blew up nothing and has the sub in full working order for a later purpose.

Dar

I'd think it much more likely that he found something of interest on the sub. He knew the others would capture him soon after the sub blew, so hid that something underwater so he could go back and get it later.

sprinkles

8

Good episode. I gave it a 9. We're slowly finding things out but alas I fear we'll be back to some biring filler episode next week and the tension will be lost (no pun intended). That's the 1st time they kept with the same arc and it worked really well. I'm thinking about skipping the filler episodes and letting you guys keep me posted on the important snippets

Talisman wrote:

Cooper isn't really Locke’s biological father, it was just part of his con to get a kidney - "You needed a father, I needed a kidney. Get over it".

I was thinking that. That's why I though Locke was so p*ssed off when the "son" came to see him about Cooper, cause he realised he wasn't conned by his Dad but by a randomer.

upmeath wrote:

makes me think of that nuke-proof remote storage facility the U.S. have where there's one of every animal and plant species in the world

Wouldn't they need 2 of every animal? (Noah's ark and all....)

Unpossible

9

Dar wrote:

I'd think it much more likely that he found something of interest on the sub. He knew the others would capture him soon after the sub blew, so hid that something underwater so he could go back and get it later.

makes way more sense than him hiding the sub good thinking

sprinkles wrote:

Wouldn't they need 2 of every animal? (Noah's ark and all....)

oh no, not in Flanders' ark

ZiabR

8

Dar wrote:

I'd think it much more likely that he found something of interest on the sub. He knew the others would capture him soon after the sub blew, so hid that something underwater so he could go back and get it later.

Yeah that actually makes alot more sense. He may have found something that he can use later on. Also i find it weird that he came out of the water without his trusty old bag. He has so much stuff in that bag so i find it odd for Locke to leave it behind unless he did it for a very good reason.

Star Lord

9

Dar wrote:

I'd think it much more likely that he found something of interest on the sub. He knew the others would capture him soon after the sub blew, so hid that something underwater so he could go back and get it later.

Never thought on that, good point!