Ladder Tables for Europe

redspider

Below are a selection of ladders (partial) of the main leagues in Europe. Its interesting to see the ladder view as this gives a clearer visual viewpoint f the actual points differences rather than the easier to publish list view.

Let me know your thoughts ....

Redspider

England

75 Man Utd
74
73
72
71
70
69 Chelsea
68
67
66
65
64
63
62
61
60
59
58
57
56
55 Arsenal
54 Liverpool
53
52
51
50
49
48
47 Bolton
46 Everton
45 Tottenham



Germany

53 Schalke 04
52
51
50 Werder Bremen
49
48
47
46 VfB Stuttgart
45
44 Bayern Munich
43
42
41
40
39 Bayer Leverkusen
38 Nuremberg


Holland

67 PSV
66
65
64
63
62 Ajax
61
60 AZ
59
58 FC Twente
57
56
55
54
53
52
51
50
49 Feyenoord


Italy

76 Inter Milan
75
74
73
72
71
70
69
68
67
66
65
64
63
62
61
60
59
58 Roma
57
56
55
54
53
52
51
50
49 Lazio
48
47 Palermo
46
45
44
43 AC Milan
42 Empoli


Spain

53 Barcelona, Sevilla
52
51
50
49
48 Real Madrid
47 Valencia
46 Real Zaragoza
45
44
43 Atletico Madrid
42
41 Recreativo Huelva


France

65 Lyon
64
63
62
61
60
59
58
57
56
55
54
53
52
51
50
49 Lens
48
47
46
45
44 Bordeaux
43 Lille. Sochaux, Toulouse
42 St Etienne, Marseille
41 Le Mans, Auxerre


I'll put up the Scotland one later ......

PHB

That's the sort of gap opening up I like to see
Chelsea are really quite secure in 2nd place, there really is no doubt.

Lex Luthor

The spanish league really only seems to be the consistent league every year where you could have a potential 5 or 6 teams vying for 1st & 2nd place..

The EPL has been a non-contest and generally has been sorted out by game 30 most years for top 2 and the rest I couldn't give a monkeys about

Pighead

Lex Luthor wrote:

The spanish league really only seems to be the consistent league every year where you could have a potential 5 or 6 teams vying for 1st & 2nd place..

The EPL has been a non-contest and generally has been sorted out by game 30 most years for top 2 and the rest I couldn't give a monkeys about

Thats pants! Last year Barca cruised through their league campaign and ended up 12 points ahead of 2nd place. The year before Barca won by 4 pts from Madrid who were a further 15 points ahead of 3rd. Some of you lot think that the Spanish league is flawless and is light years ahead of the Premier League. Take of the rose tinted glasses lads.

Anyway, nice ladders.

_blank_

I don't get them.

What are they based on?

patmac

Looking at the leaue tables in Europe I was surprised at some of the BIG name teams in trouble, Parma in Italy, Bilbao and Sociedad in Spain, Dortmund and Hamburg in Germany but most amazingly PSG 19th in the French league, this would be the equivalent of Arsenal/Liverpool or Man Utd struggling in the premiership they must be in a right mess.

Necronomicon

seansouth wrote:

I don't get them.

What are they based on?

Each point is a step in the ladder, so you can see the physical difference between teams.

_blank_

I can see that by looking at a league table.

I don't need it spelled out to me.

Anyway, the 'physical difference'? WTF does that mean?

Manchester United are in Manchester, Chelsea are in London, the physical difference would be the distance, no?

Let me know your thoughts ....

My thoughts are that anyone who needs lego bricks to read a league table has something seriously deficient in the cranial space.

It's a silly waste of time.

PHB

It's a silly waste of time.

If you don't like it, you don't have to read it.
I for one, really like seeing the league in that format. It's sometimes easy to overlook the gaps by just looking at a numerical representation, the physical difference in terms of a point ladder really highlights some things you kinda of overlook normally.

_blank_

PHB wrote:

If you don't like it, you don't have to read it.

Did the OP not ask for thoughts?

Does that mean only positive thoughts can be posted? :rolleyes:

Necronomicon

seansouth wrote:

I don't need it spelled out to me.

Well maybe this comment threw me:

seansouth wrote:

I don't get them.

_blank_

I meant that I can see the points difference by looking at a normal league table.

What I don't get is why there are these huge numbered spaces between the names of clubs. I know what numbers come between 56 and 62, and I know the difference between them. I'm not four years of age.

Lex Luthor

Pighead wrote:

Thats pants! Last year Barca cruised through their league campaign and ended up 12 points ahead of 2nd place. The year before Barca won by 4 pts from Madrid who were a further 15 points ahead of 3rd. Some of you lot think that the Spanish league is flawless and is light years ahead of the Premier League. Take of the rose tinted glasses lads.

Anyway, nice ladders.

jaysus pighead, we dont hear from you in months and as soon as you start to climb the FF league, you're out from under your rock

Mossin

It's nice to see the leagues laid out like this..

It's good to see how the last 8 in Europe are fairing in their respective leagues..

In England the 4 clubs are in the top 4, albeit having varying luck this season, with only 2 of them with the chance of winning the league.
In Spain, Valencia, the only club left is 4th and still in with a shout of winning the league.
In Italy, Roma are 2nd, but Inter seem to have that league tied up.
In Germany, Bayern are 4th, 9 points off the lead, not insurmountable, but unlikely.
In Holland, PSV are leading by 5 points, but after suffering a humiliating defeat to 2nd place Ajax recently.

Makes for some interesting reading, and it will be even more interesting to see how the European commitments of the clubs mentioned above affect the rest of their league season..

bucks73

Pighead wrote:

Thats pants! Last year Barca cruised through their league campaign and ended up 12 points ahead of 2nd place. The year before Barca won by 4 pts from Madrid who were a further 15 points ahead of 3rd. Some of you lot think that the Spanish league is flawless and is light years ahead of the Premier League. Take of the rose tinted glasses lads.

Anyway, nice ladders.

Totally agree. Real are a complete joke and would struggle to get into the top 4 in the premier league yet they can still hold third in Spain. Sevilla have thrown away numerous chances of taking a lead at the top and Barca are still there without playing well all season. Watch them pull away now that Etoo is back.

Pighead

Lex Luthor wrote:

jaysus pighead, we dont hear from you in months and as soon as you start to climb the FF league, you're out from under your rock

Pigheads starting to climb the fantasy footie table alright. Leaving you and many others in my wake. If we set up a fantasy football league ladder,the spaces between me and your goodself ould be vast.
Listen pal, no offence but I'm just sick of all this glorification of the Spanish game.

BaZmO*

In other news, "Offside rule explained usinng plasticine"

WhiteWashMan

BaZmO* wrote:

In other news, "Offside rule explained usinng plasticine"

oh lord, that did make me snort my tea donw my nose!

im thinking of morph from that tv program hartbeat with tony hart

redspider

Well, I can see that the ladder views have caused some unexpected debate. The less said the better perhaps.

> but most amazingly PSG 19th in the French league, this would be the equivalent of Arsenal/Liverpool or Man Utd struggling in the premiership they must be in a right mess.

Yeah, this is a big shock alright and even though they have been playing well in some games the results are going against them. Its not exactly like an Arsenal or a Liverpool going down imo, but more like a Newcastle as PSG have lost some lucre over many seasons. Its not an implosion of a big club. PSG have the potential to be a big club though, as have St Etienne. French football is a sleeping giant in many ways.

Here are some more tables, for those that want to look at them. For those that don't, "look away now":

Scotland
74 Celtic
73
72
71
70
69
68
67
66
65
64
63
62
61 Rangers
60
59
58
57
56
55
54 Aberdeen
53
52
51
50
49
48 Hearts
47
46
45
44
43 Hibs, Kilmarnock


England Relegation Battle
34 Aston Villa, Fulham
33 Man City, Wigan
32
31 Sheff Utd
30
29
28
27 Charlton
26
25
24
23 West Ham
22
21
20 Watford


England - 2nd tier
73 Derby
72
71 Birmingham
70 Sunderland
69
68 Preston
67
66 Wolverhampton
65
64 West Brom
63 Cardiff
62
61
60 Southampton
59
58 Stoke
57
56 Colchester


The bottom of that table is also a tight race and worth a look at:
41 Burnley, Hull, Barnsley
40 QPR
39 Southend
38
37
36 Luton, Leeds

Pigman II

Wow, that ladder is really boring and pointless. Much like this post.