Bob Woolmer's Death. Only Thread

Marshy

Who knows. I mean we can speculate till the cows come home but the truth is that the media are trying to concoct stories left, right and centre.

DMC

The whole team are allowed to leave, according to Sky News.

positron

I wonder if that has got something to do with Pakistan sending in a top delegate from their US embassy? I would imagine the Pakistani administration was under pressure to get the players home, and the new guy is a stand-in arrangement of some sort..?

DMC

Jamaican police say they have CCTV footage from the hotel corridor outside murdered coach Bob Woolmer's room.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6493931.stm

Chucky the tree

No one else find inzi's stupid grinning during the interview after he was just released a bit werid?

Endurance Man

Chucky the tree wrote:

No one else find inzi's stupid grinning during the interview after he was just released a bit werid?

Both those interviews where VERY odd :cool: .

Trampas

My personal opinion is Inzamam knows something.

I just have a feeling that he has some involvement.

If it is a player will Pakistan hand them over??

Placebo

DMC wrote:

The odds on Ireland would've been very attactive, but why would a dodgy bookie and a dodgy player(s) bet on Pakistan going out of the tournament, when they can have more games to bet on later, when they would've got through to the Super 8's?

Thats pakistan for you, there was probably millions bet by the person who had anything to do with the match being fixed . [back in pakistan]
saying that im not sure who would have attacked the coach

Pakistan team have requested to go home today, instead of their scheduled flight tomorrow, to "be with their families".

Cricket players dont have familieS?

Zeuz

Placebo wrote:

Cricket players dont have familieS?

you obviously don't get to involved in watching cricket if u can make a comment like that.. pffff

shotamoose

Had my suspicions at the time, now there are some experts backing it up (with caveats). Not sure which outcome is more unpleasant: (a) Bob Woolmer was murdered, or (b) he wasn't but the local police created one of the biggest scandals in cricket's history through incompetence (or worse).

http://timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1596745.ece

Some of Britain’s leading forensic pathologists have called for a second autopsy to examine Bob Woolmer’s death after expressing doubts about the evidence suggesting he was strangled.

The experts said the publicly available facts on the case indicated a “highly unusual” murder of a type that none of them had ever witnessed ...

Bill Hunt, a former president of the British Association in Forensic Medicine, who chaired a Home Office committee monitoring standards among pathologists, is one of Britain’s foremost experts on strangulation and has written a number of papers on the subject. “From what I have seen and read it is virtually impossible that this is strangulation,” he said.

He and other pathologists believed that it would have been very difficult to throttle Woolmer, a 6ft 1in former sportsman. “It is almost impossible to strangle a fit man without a fight and the police say there is no evidence of a struggle. It is virtually impossible to strangle somebody without leaving some marks on the neck.” ...

Chucky the tree

Police investigating Bob Woolmer's death have received a tip-off that the coach was poisoned by 'aconite' believed to be the "perfect" drug to mask a murder.

According to Sunday Mirror, an anonymous man, thought to be from Pakistan, phoned police claiming that aconite killed the coach following which Jamaica's Deputy Commissioner Mark Shields, who is leading the probe, has ordered new tests on Woolmer's body to look for traces of the drug.

Aconite causes the victim's internal organs to seize and slows down their breathing until they finally stop. Death is usually by asphyxiation within 30 minutes and this explains how 16-stone Woolmer died without putting up a fight.

"The aconite tip is a major breakthrough and is being taken extremely seriously. The man who called Kingston police station had a Pakistani accent and was very specific about aconite and how it was administered," Shields was quoted as saying by the paper.

"The symptoms Bob suffered before he died are identical to aconite poisoning, which is why it is a major line of inquiry now. It would also explain how such a physically imposing man, at 6'1'' tall, died without putting up a fight. You'd struggle to get two people into his bath room let alone three, so it could be no-one was there," he added.

Toxicologists say aconite is the "perfect" drug to mask a murder. It also explains why Jamaican pathologist Dr Ere Seshaiah found no marks around his neck to suggest he had been strangled.

"By the time he realised how ill he was it would be too late... The drug causes a loss of power in the limbs. Aconite works like cyanide... It makes the skin clammy and hands and feet tingly. It also causes vomiting and diarrhoea... All the while the victim's mind remains clear, so it is a cruel death.

"It is the perfect drug to make a murder appear to be a suicide because it leaves no mark on the body. It is difficult to detect in a post-mortem unless it was specifically looked for," he said.

Meanwhile, the Mail on Sunday said Woolmer, who was working on two books, feared harm by bookmakers since the 2000 match-fixing scandal broke.

When a reporter asked him to move to a quiter place like his room for a chat, Woolmer said "I feel more comfortable in public places."

Asked if he was worried about his safety, his replied "you don't know how those people (bookmakers) will react" and added someone might be upset at the news (about match-fixing) and take it out on him.

The paper also said Woolmer in his last interview had claimed to have rejected a 125,000 pounds bribe to fix an international match in Mumbai in 1996 when he was coach of South Africa.

"I've never betted on anything in my life. It was voted out handsomely. The players shoved it aside... What we did not know was that he (then South African captain Hanse Cronje) took money," Woolmer was quoted as saying by the paper.

Interesting turn of events.

county

Date set for Bob Woolmer inquest
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6547925.stm

timmywex

whats going on with this?? it just slipped out of the media....

DMC

Investigation is still proceeding, just without all the fanfare and news channels hanging outside.

positron

Unconfirmed reports to be honest...

Woolmer murder suspect identified: report

DMC

News of the Screws are saying he died of weedkiller poisoning, two bottles of champagne were delivered to his room.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news2.shtml

KevIRL

Coach Woolmer 'was not murdered'

Scotland Yard detectives have told Jamaican police that the former Pakistan cricket coach, Bob Woolmer, was not murdered, the BBC understands.
The apparent verdict follows work by a UK Home Office pathologist, who flew to Jamaica to probe Mr Woolmer's death.

A UK newspaper has reported that Jamaican police are to announce that Mr Woolmer died of natural causes.

Mr Woolmer was found dead in his hotel in Jamaica on 18 March after Pakistan's first-round exit from the World Cup.

Days later Mark Shields, Jamaica's deputy police commissioner, announced at a news conference that the 58-year-old former England Test cricketer had been murdered.


According to a report in the Daily Mail newspaper, police in Kingston now believe Mr Woolmer died of natural causes, brought on by chronic ill-health and possibly diabetes.

I think they [the Jamaican police] made a mess of it to be very honest


Former Pakistan player Asif Iqbal has criticised the Jamaican police investigation.

"When they said it was suspicious, after that it should have been dealt with in a normal way instead of being a Hollywood, or Bollywood kind of investigation," he told the BBC on Saturday.

"Every day there were different stories in the newspaper, every day there was a different way of his being murdered. I think they made a mess of it to be very honest."

There has been no confirmation of the report, with BBC sports editor Mihir Bose saying Mr Woolmer's widow has heard nothing about her husband dying of natural causes.

In May, several other reports suggested Mr Woolmer was not murdered, often citing sources close to the investigation.

One member of Jamaica's Labour Party said the case had become a "global embarrassment" for the country's police force.

ianmc38

KevIRL wrote:

Coach Woolmer 'was not murdered'

Scotland Yard detectives have told Jamaican police that the former Pakistan cricket coach, Bob Woolmer, was not murdered, the BBC understands.
The apparent verdict follows work by a UK Home Office pathologist, who flew to Jamaica to probe Mr Woolmer's death.

A UK newspaper has reported that Jamaican police are to announce that Mr Woolmer died of natural causes.

Mr Woolmer was found dead in his hotel in Jamaica on 18 March after Pakistan's first-round exit from the World Cup.

Days later Mark Shields, Jamaica's deputy police commissioner, announced at a news conference that the 58-year-old former England Test cricketer had been murdered.


According to a report in the Daily Mail newspaper, police in Kingston now believe Mr Woolmer died of natural causes, brought on by chronic ill-health and possibly diabetes.

I think they [the Jamaican police] made a mess of it to be very honest


Former Pakistan player Asif Iqbal has criticised the Jamaican police investigation.

"When they said it was suspicious, after that it should have been dealt with in a normal way instead of being a Hollywood, or Bollywood kind of investigation," he told the BBC on Saturday.

"Every day there were different stories in the newspaper, every day there was a different way of his being murdered. I think they made a mess of it to be very honest."

There has been no confirmation of the report, with BBC sports editor Mihir Bose saying Mr Woolmer's widow has heard nothing about her husband dying of natural causes.

In May, several other reports suggested Mr Woolmer was not murdered, often citing sources close to the investigation.

One member of Jamaica's Labour Party said the case had become a "global embarrassment" for the country's police force.

That would be a bizarre turn around.

mike65

This wil proberly never be fully sorted, the initial police response was so tardy and lacking technical ability there will always be room for speculation.

Mike.

county

its been a circus from the start,it needs closure big time

digitally-yours

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6714545.stm

its crazy !

one time one thing now other

thebaz

The Jamaican police must be high on weed -- its incredible -- anyway in nearly three months theres been no substantial evidence , and someone told me early on there was no solid evidence early on, and they became embarrased by there initial verdict of murder, and didn't want to look foolish during the world cup, and a cover up was actioned.

apart from being embarrassing , can you imagine the hurt this fiasco has caused to the West Indian and Irish cricket teams, devaluing there finest hour, with claims of match fixing , but the real hurt is to the Pakistan cricket team ,and Woolmer family. We think our police are bad !!

Marshy

Fairly embarassing alright to say the least.

Zaph

Woolmer 'died of natural causes'

Full story on the BBC here

dereko1969

i was in the hotel where bob woolmer was 'murdered' on the night they announced this at a press conference there. i was amazed when mark shields the english policeman leading the investigation came into the hotel bar straight after the conference - i would've thought he would've headed straight back to work - it really looked like he was just waiting to be interviewed i thought at the time he was a real show pony and thought that this 'case' was his ticket back to the UK. i have to say it's a disgrace the way this was handled, inzi's final game was overshadowed by the accusations against the whole of pakistan cricket and he deserved better than that.