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evolution and atheism (youll enjoy this)
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25-03-2007 1:05am#1im not here to knock atheists down, i actually used to be one...and i really encourage you to watch these
www.wayofthemaster.com
you need high speed and pc....let the intro load, then click skip intro, then click the blue number 2.....then 2 episodes will appear, one entitled evolution and one entitled atheism....i really encourage you to watch these, they are entertaining and just very informing0
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Whoa!, a bunch of twenty to thirty year olds off the street can't make a complete case for evolution. Combined with the stupid jokes and warping what the theories actually say and I think I'm totally sold.
Plus there's a cool board game to go with it! Albert Einstein shouldn't have waited for observational evidence of Relativity, he should have just made an awesome board game for 4-8 players that appeals to the 8-12 year old age bracket.0 -
no i dont expect to win anyone....i just have the attitude that the more evidence you see the less you will believe God doesnt exist
in a world where God doesnt exist, there would be no arguments for him.....infact when i looked at you(assuming i miraculously had eyes with 20-20) and said "God exists" (assuming i had the brain rationality and mouth to speak miraculously) you would look back and laugh(assuming that you miraculously had that ability, a neck that turned and body, and lips to laugh with) with a foot growing out of your head in which there was no use...a hand growing from your nose instead of a nose.....ect but no we are wonderfully made, just open your eyes, its absolutely miraculous
if the bible is true that means God exists and that there is a devil out there that wants your hearts hard as a rock to deny everything, and if God even appeared right before you...you'd say "im hollucinating" because your heart is so hard you cant except proof, all i am trying to do because i used to be a hardened atheist is help you see that you need more blind faith to be an atheist than to believe in the existance of God.....you want to believe God doesnt exist, he wont disappear, i am absolutely sure of it...so i encourage you to be opened minded, because if you close your eyes and drive at a brick wall the brick wall will still mean death but in this instance you wont be able to turn out of the way because of your eyes being closed....Jesus said that anyone who truely obeys his doctrine will know if its from God or not, i am a previous professing atheist who can testify that his words were absolutely true0 -
Your ideas intrigue me. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.0
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ChildOfTheKing wrote:...a previous professing atheist...
Interesting, that. I've been an atheist 30 years, and I don't think I've ever been a 'professing atheist'. On the other hand, it looks like the devil has done a far better job of hardening my heart than he did yours...
...although of course conversion only comes through grace, so it doesn't make any real difference whether your heart is hardened or not. God converts who he wills, and he simply hasn't in my case, as yet - unless of course you're suggesting that either man or devil has the power to resist God successfully?
Is this a 'hit and run' conversion attempt, or will you be sticking around?
cordially,
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ChildOfTheKing wrote:i just have the attitude that the more evidence you see the less you will believe God doesnt exist
That is true. But I'm not quite sure how this rates as evidence for a god?ChildOfTheKing wrote:ect but no we are wonderfully made, just open your eyes, its absolutely miraculous
We are wonderfully made, but then we, and all life, are very far from perfectly made. Far far from it in fact. Would this not hint that we weren't made by a god?
We don't deny everything, just the existence of sky gods. So do you in fact. As Prof. Richard Dawkins is for ever pointing out, 99.9% of people deny the existence of all sky gods, except for their own. Atheists just take it one god more.ChildOfTheKing wrote:if the bible is true that means God exists and that there is a devil out there that wants your hearts hard as a rock to deny everything
That wouldn't be "proof" If God actually appeared in front of a large number of scientists and said "Run all the test you want" then we might be getting some where.ChildOfTheKing wrote:, and if God even appeared right before you...you'd say "im hollucinating" because your heart is so hard you cant except proof
I would point out that I still wouldn't worship him. Would you worship Baal if he appeared in front of you?
Jesus was a manipulating cult leader with dreams of grandeur who made a quite nice living off convincing people to follow him. There are a lot of them around in his day, there are a lot of them around today but I no more wish to follow any of them than follow Jesus.ChildOfTheKing wrote:Jesus said that anyone who truely obeys his doctrine will know if its from God or not0 -
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Ho ho, you're right, I did enjoy that!0
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ChildOfTheKing wrote:no i dont expect to win anyone....i just have the attitude that the more evidence you see the less you will believe God doesnt exist
Is that a double negative? Anyway, well done on the stereotypically useless rambling believer post.in a world where God doesnt exist, there would be no arguments for him.....
Really? I find it very interesting that there are in fact no good arguments for God in this world...if the bible is true that means God exists and that there is a devil out there that wants your hearts hard as a rock to deny everything
As men smarter than you and I have pointed out before, whats so important about belief? Why would a God who does exist act so insecurely about whether people believe in him or not?
And the bible isn't true, or at the very least we can be sure that it is very very unlikely to be true. Humanity has spawned thousands of mystical texts over the millenia, I am no more likely to believe the texts written by the tribes of Israel than I am the tribes of New Guinea or Japan. Its all nonesense written by primitive peoples who were inventing answers because they didn't know any better.and if God even appeared right before you...you'd say "im hollucinating" because your heart is so hard you cant except proof
Fact: People have hallucinations frequently. What one sees is not neccessarily the truth.
Fact 2: God has not been proven to exist. All the evidence suggests God is an invention of mankind.
Logic: If I have a vision of God, its probably not God.all i am trying to do because i used to be a hardened atheist is help you see that you need more blind faith to be an atheist than to believe in the existance of God...
No you don't, thats a patently stupid thing to say. Atheism generally springs from an open minded scepticism about the world. It prevents one from coming to faulty conclusions. God is quite a faulty conclusion...you want to believe God doesnt exist, he wont disappear, i am absolutely sure of it...
Your personal degree of delusion does not affect the reality of the universe.so i encourage you to be opened minded, because if you close your eyes and drive at a brick wall the brick wall will still mean death
A more accurate analogy would be this: You are driving down a big empty highway in the middle of a desert. There is not a single visible structure for as far as the eye can see. Suddenly, your passenger screams "Look out for the wall!!" and you're like, "What wall? Are you insane? Theres no wall" and he's like "Trust me, I can feel the wall!!" You, being the rational person you are, say "Uh, ok. Can you see the wall?" He just shakes his head and says "I just know!"Jesus said that anyone who truely obeys his doctrine will know if its from God or not, i am a previous professing atheist who can testify that his words were absolutely true
I see. So if you mindlessly obey the doctrine you'll believe the doctrine.
Shocking revelation.0 -
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OK, which would you prefer. My argument for the existence of:ChildOfTheKing wrote:in a world where God doesnt exist, there would be no arguments for him
a) the Tooth Fairy
b) Santa Claus
c) Perpetual motion machines
d) Pyramid building aliens
e) A hollow earth0 -
On the lighter side, it's good to see theists over here for a change, rather than the other way around.0
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Its looking like a hit and run.0
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5uspect wrote:Hi I'm a PC and I'm a Mac...
LOL - seconded:)
I like the bit where they say they're going to "bypass your intellect" - that tries to rationalize everything - and speak directly to your conscience. How true. Reminds me of Stephen Colbert. Don't trust facts and logic - go with your GUT! You know it makes sense.0 -
I love how they begin by explaining how the Big Bang is an evolutionist principle. They then get some random members of the public to explain the theory of evolution and use their failure as evidence that evolution is wrong.
To the original poster: The fact that you would be convinced by this nonesense says a lot about you. And no, its not good.0 -
I concur.Fallen Seraph wrote:On the lighter side, it's good to see theists over here for a change, rather than the other way around.
I just wish I had time to watch the vids. Damn you, employment!0 -
The Atheist wrote:I concur.
I just wish I had time to watch the vids. Damn you, employment!
They are worth a watch. They are very clever and manipulative. Obviously the boys and girls who are regulares here won't be pursuaded but the for the videos traget audience (high schools kids) I imagine it being pretty effective. Others above have already pointed out the stupidity of trying to undermine evolution by the illustrating the inability of kids to expain it properly nonetheless the 2 presenters have been well veresed in the arts of manipulation and look like particulary good advocates of litrealistic bible brainwashing. They are in actuality 2 quite scary guys who I iamgine are more extreme than they allow themselves on video, they are far too professional for that. Each exspensively produced video is followed by a clever 'soft sell' of one thier products, books, videos, dvds, mugs, jackets, wallcharts, calendars, clocks, watches, phones.....
theres no business like extremist right wing christainity as they say....?0 -
It's funny, really. These videos - there's a heck of a lot of marketing, some very slick techniques, simple and appealing message, group-building singalongs, lots of talking to kids. What have we got? An occasionally irascible middle-aged academic who mostly shows up when he has a book to promote...
These guys should be winning hands-down. Maybe people aren't all that stupid after all!
cordially,
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ChildOfTheKing wrote:in a world where God doesnt exist, there would be no arguments for him
I have two questions.
1) How do you know this.
2) How do you know God is male?
Of the two, only the first is particularly serious. You can't possibly believe in a God and know that in a world without God there would be no argument for the existence of God.if the bible is true that means God exists
Correct. However, if the bible is not true, God can still exist.
Actually, if the bible is true and God appeared right before me, I'd die.and if God even appeared right before you...you'd say "im hollucinating"all i am trying to do because i used to be a hardened atheist is help you see that you need more blind faith to be an atheist than to believe in the existance of God
How are you quantifying blind faith? How is "I do not believe in God" a greater quantity of blind faith than "I believe in God" ??? For anything you look at and say "this is evidence of God", the atheist says "this is not evidence of God". IF we assert that either is blind faith, then both must be.....leading ut to conclude that both "sides" hold the same amount of blind faith.
And you want to believe God does exist.you want to believe God doesnt exist,
You're as absolutely sure of your beliefs as atheists are of theirs....but somehow assert that theirs is "more blind" than yours? How does that work?i am absolutely sure of it
I have a problem with that, because there's so many interpretations today of what his doctrine actually was.Jesus said that anyone who truely obeys his doctrine will know if its from God or not,
Which one of these, specifically, do I need to truly obey in order to know if its from God or not? If I follow one and still don't know, is this just because its not the true doctrine? What about all those self-professed Christians who are following a doctrine other than the true one....are they all unable to really know if the God they believe in exists?
You keep reminding us that you're a religious convert as though it were somehow significant. Maybe you could explain the significance once, rather than just reasserting your past repeatedly?i am a previous professing atheist who can testify that his words were absolutely true
Oh - and could you tell us which is the true doctrine that swayed you...which flavour of Christianity it is? I ask because I want to make sure and ignore all the other ones, and also tell all the Christians who come onto this forum who follow one of those incorrect doctrines that you say they cannot truly know if God exists or not.
Indeed, I'm willing to bet that you won't go to the Christianity forum and tell them yourself that there is only one true doctrine, and that anyone who believes a doctrine other than the one you subscribe to cannot truly know if God exists. I'm willing to be that you just save that argument for non-Christians, and possibly exclusively for atheists (ok, and agnostics)0 -
That was pretty funny. I instantly recognised that Cameron guy from that dog/body swap movie that's often on RTE http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0153992/
The other guy Comfort can be heard in the debate posted in another topic in this forum.
The highlight in the evolution bit for me was describing evolution as "male chauvinist at its core", which is pretty hilarious considering certain attitudes in a certain book these lads are into. Also much laughter to be had at Cameron pointing to his brain so us viewers know where it is and presumably become more adept at not using it. His point is, literally, bypass your brain, and you will find God. He's gonna have a hard time selling that one to the atheistic community I fear.0 -
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DS wrote:
. Also much laughter to be had at Cameron pointing to his brain so us viewers know where it is and presumably become more adept at not using it. His point is, literally, bypass your brain, and you will find God. He's gonna have a hard time selling that one to the atheistic community I fear.
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gone two minutes and im hit with more replies than i expected
i will start off by that im not worthy to argue for God, but its by the foolishness of preaching in which he delights to save men
God is evident all around us....the videos make great points that the transitional forms for evolution are not there.....and what i think its amazing about evolution is the fact that something as dumb as a 'single cell' organism actually had the brains to evolve eventually into us randomly, seeing that all of our body parts are for use it shows an amazing mind behind it all....the bible says that Gods creation testifies of his existance, and truely his amazing work testifies....the fact that my soul, a soul that feels can actually rationalize and put it into words and type to you is proof of God, its just your hearts are so closed...the way the stars are so nicely spread out across the sky.....a big bang usually leaves a splat of paint in one area of the paper, but the stars cross the sky magnificantly....i wasnt convinced by arguments for Gods existance, but things like socializing with people, bonding with people....it didnt make any sense to me that we could be like animals and do this....the reason he goes to the concience is to show you that Gods law is Holy and right....if we battle only intellectually arguments tend to get heated because of pride and the law humbles you....there is far more evidence out there for a God than not for a God....i really dont want to get too deep into the intellectual arguments, because it is true, that until the Lord opens your eyes you will be blind....man is born in sin....i myself wouldnt have come to God if God didnt call me and open my eyes.....if you really want to know if Gods there, i encourage you to humbly and patiently go before him and ask him to help you, beg him, because he resists the proud and gives grace to the humble...to obey Christs doctrine and truely know hes there you must repent of your sin and surrender completely to him.....when he gives you the Holy Spirit you will have a supernatural relationship with him which is what Mr Comfort meant when he said in the debate that once you touch the furnace then you have gone out of the realm of belief into the realm of experience....Christs doctrine is this "Repent and believe the gospel" repent, surrender your life to him, and trust on his sacrafice.....even if it takes months......i will finish off what im saying with a letter i wrote to my dad....so that you can see i only tell you what i tell my loved ones....i grew up in an atheist/agnostic home where Christianity was never even spoken of....i have already told my dad a whole lot, but i made this letter so it could be clearer.....i explained to him all the supernatural things that have come with being a Christian in a lot more detail to him face to face, and about Jesus dying for our sins..............
Here is something I have written to help you better understand what I believe and even why
If you told me that a piece of metal was hot, I would believe you, then I could touch it and
After burning myself I would go out of the realm of belief into the realm of experience.
I have and always do experience God, and I know without a doubt he is really there,
it is knowledge, I know it with everything I am and would die beside that statement.
There is only three conclusions you can possibly come to after I tell you this
Im a liar, I am insane, or I am telling you the truth. I experience God all the time
The less I am in his will the more he withdraws his presence from me and I experience demonic
attack to discipline me into his will out of love as a father does. I strongly believe
that a father son relationship and a wife husband relationship were given to us as a gift
but also to show us how our relationship with God is to be. Proof of God biblically is what he made.
Imagine putting a paint can on a giant piece of paper, and putting a bomb in the paint can,
then the paint can explodes and the paint splatters on the paper, and boom a great picture appears
sold for millions of dollars. it wouldnt happen right....now imagine the big bang producing flowers, dears
polar bears, humans, men women and children, flowers, grass, oil, gold, diamonds, stars, the moon, the sun, snakes, dogs, cats
colors(can you even logically explain colors), bananas, oranges, the perfect solar system we live in, the beauty all around us.
Relationships, between wives and children and fathers.....ect socializing
all of it in which came from nothing but a big bang.
You would atleast expect for me to look at you and say "there is a God" and for you to have a foot
growing out of your head in which there was no use of it, to look back and laugh.
But you cant because we are so wonderfully designed and so is everything around us.
I just physically proved an intellegent designer to you if you really grasp my words.
God has a law though, and one day he will judge the entire world by that law. God is just in his
nature, and when someone who is guilty of a crime comes before a judge and says sorry
and the judge says "i can see you are sorry so i will let you go" Justice was not served
and according to the bible God will judge every single sin ever comitted since the beginning of the world
First I will show you his law, I am sure you have heard of the ten commandments. God gave them to the Jews
a long time ago to show his law. When we die it is the law he will judge us by. Whether we will go to heaven
or hell.
#1 Have no Gods besides me(everyone but Jesus has broken this commandment, to keep it we were required in order
that you have God at the center of your life every single moment, loving him with all our hearts, our mind, our strength and soul, the bible says)
#2 Make to yourself no Idols (im not fully sure how to explain this command but basically Idols are things
we put at the center of our lives other than God, things that take control over us...say i was to steal..my motive for stealing would be the idol in that...anything that has control over us or is like the God in our life)
#3 Do not take the name of the Lord in vain (using Jesus Christ or Gods name as a curse word instead
of the four letter curse words in order to express disgust...the God who gave you life and all that you have)
#4 Remember the sabbath day, keep it Holy. (God requires a day out of the week where we dont work)
#5 Honor your father and mother. (This is to in all instances in thought word and deed to honor your parents)
#6 do not kill. (the bible says that anyone who hates his brother is a murderer)
#7 do not comitt adultery. (Jesus said that anyone who even looks to lust after anyone has already comitted adultery in their heart, before and after marriage)
#8 Do not steal. (anything ever stolen in your entire life, big or small)
#9 Do Not Lie. (even half truths are lies)
#10 Do not covet. (ever been envious of someone else, or blamefully wanted something that they had)
I myself am guilty of breaking all of the ten commandments...but this is Gods law
God made a way through Jesus Christ to be justified through the law, that God may in his nature remain just but for us to not take the punishment for our sins...The bible says that Christ commended his love for us that while we were still sinners he died for us...God manifest himself in the flesh, and was marred beyond even looking like a human according to the bible (sprinkling many nations with his blood) and on the cross he took our punishment, and bore all of our sin and God even looked away from him because he became a curse for us the bible says....then he went to hell for three days(the temperary place for people who die right now and are unjustified) and he rose from the dead, and is now alive in heaven being a mediator between us and God. the bible tells us that if we want to partake in this salvation of living forever, and being reconciled with God, we must repent and believe on Jesus Christ. The bible even promises that if we obey the doctrine of Christ we will find out whether he speaks only of himself, or if his words are from God. Anyone who repents of their sins and believes on Jesus Christ will be justified for all their sins and become the children of God.
I know without a doubt in the world God exists....a wise man once said, a man with an experience is not at the mercy of
a man with an argument, which is how i can say that i know. i have seen evidence that goes beyond any chance of psychological hollucinations, delusions...ect...stuff that absolutely CAN NOT be explained in any other way shape or form.
thank for reading this...i only tell you this stuff because i love you
(i pray so deeply that you 'atheists' just stop being angry and just go to God, im not someone here to hurt you or get on your nerves, just someone sharing the truth)
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Ouch, my brain!ChildOfTheKing wrote:and what i think its amazing about evolution is the fact that something as dumb as a 'single cell' organism actually had the brains to evolve eventually into us randomly
I'll stop reading there thanks.0 -
ChildOfTheKing wrote:I myself am guilty of breaking all of the ten commandments...but this is Gods law
...murder?:eek:ChildOfTheKing wrote:(i pray so deeply that you 'atheists' just stop being angry and just go to God, im not someone here to hurt you or get on your nerves, just someone sharing the truth)
I think if you hang around for long enough you'll find that we're not an angry bunch at all. However, there can be a degree frustration though when true believers like yourself confuse your belief with truth, or evolution with some bizarre random process. Please, PLEASE read about evolution from a reputable source without an agenda (i.e. from a science textbook, not from a religious website).
In the spirit of Proverbs 18.150 -
ChildOfTheKing wrote:(i pray so deeply that you 'atheists' just stop being angry and just go to God, im not someone here to hurt you or get on your nerves, just someone sharing the truth)
in love
Jamie
Ye se Jamie, here's the problem.
You are talking nonesense. Crap. Gibberish. Utter mental poo. The things that convince you of God's existence have been clearly shown to have other origins. Science doesn't explain everything and its not a bad thing to admit you don't have an answer. What is a bad thing is to just make up an answer, which is what religious people like you do. So while there may be things that science hasn't explained yet, that doesn't mean that the answer you just invent is true.
Its not that we don't like love and friendship or all the other stuff you say is because of your God, its that we also like the truth. And every single thing you say to support the existence of your God can be used to support any other God.
Why do you reject the infinite love of Shiva?! Why Jamie, when he so loves all the world that he danced into existence, why do you reject him? Clearly you have closed your heart to him...
As for transitional fossils, those guys in the video are just lying. Thats right, they're just lying. There are loads of transitional fossils. One biologist, when talking about the lack of transitional fossils (or the myth of) pointed out that a Palaentologist friend of his had just come back from a dig where they had been arguing heatidly over whether to call the fossils they had found "mammal-like-reptiles" or "reptile-like-mammals". There is a reason that all the smartest and most relevantly educated people in the world believe evolution.
Tell me Jamie, if its sooo clear that evolution is unscientiffic, then why oh why do 99% of scientists with relevant expertise insists it is true?0 -
ChildOfTheKing wrote:a big bang usually leaves a splat of paint in one area of the paper, but the stars cross the sky magnificantly
I do hope that's based on a statistically significant number of Big Bangs.
Jamie, I'm sorry you have to ascribe your love of life to someone else, and I'm sorry you have to reduce the complexity of the universe to the cramped strictures of human invention, and that to do so you have to ignore the evidence in front of you. Most of all, I'm sorry you lack the self-confidence to face the universe without someone to hold your hand. I hope at some point you gain the courage of your parents.
cordially,
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They are there actually. This guy either doesn't know this or is lying about it (as Zillah says). Either way he probably shouldn't be asserting things on a subject he doesn't keep up with.ChildOfTheKing wrote:the videos make great points that the transitional forms for evolution are not there
That isn't what evolution says happened, so I would suggest being amazed by this will probably get you no where. For a start evolution is a natural process with no over all goal. You don't need brains to figure out what to evolve into, natural selection does that for you. Secondly it isn't a random process.ChildOfTheKing wrote:what i think its amazing about evolution is the fact that something as dumb as a 'single cell' organism actually had the brains to evolve eventually into us randomly
Not really, since all our body parts aren't actually there for much use. Your appendix for example, does very little (it might be connected with the lymphatic system, but is overkill if that is its only function). Or your little toe for example.ChildOfTheKing wrote:seeing that all of our body parts are for use it shows an amazing mind behind it all
These were used in your ancestors hundreds of thousands of years ago, but aren't any more. It would be a bit silly of a all powerful deity to design us with organs and features that we don't need and that actually get in the way.
Evolution on the other hand explains this quite well.
Depends on what you mean by "evidence" For example you seem to be saying that because we are social creatures this is evidence for God. That, as they say, is stretching it a bit. :rolleyes:ChildOfTheKing wrote:there is far more evidence out there for a God than not for a God
You will see evidence for God everywhere if you convince yourself that everything is evidence for God. It becomes rather the chicken and the egg of evidence gathering.
How do you know it exactly?ChildOfTheKing wrote:I have and always do experience God, and I know without a doubt he is really there,
it is knowledge, I know it with everything I am and would die beside that statement.
There is actually a 4th one. You don't realise that what you are experiencing isn't God but a natural process in the brain.ChildOfTheKing wrote:There is only three conclusions you can possibly come to after I tell you this
Im a liar, I am insane, or I am telling you the truth.
There is a theory that religion developed in our ancestors because they didn't realise that the internal voice in their head (that we all have) is actually ourselves. They thought it was something else, ie God. And the theory goes that some people still do think this is God speaking to them.
Now this isn't exactly what one would call a well supported theory, but it is interesting none the less, and could possibly explain why some people are convinced that God talks to them personally.
One way to test this is to see if that voice in your head actually tells you something you couldn't possibly know. Like who will win in the Irish game tonight and by what score.ChildOfTheKing wrote:Imagine putting a paint can on a giant piece of paper, and putting a bomb in the paint can, then the paint can explodes and the paint splatters on the paper, and boom a great picture appears sold for millions of dollars. it wouldnt happen right....now imagine the big bang
You don't seem to understand what the big bang is. Things didn't come out of the big bang as complex objects, like horses and gold. What came out of the big bang was pretty simple fundamental particles. It took millions of years for these to form into atoms, and then billions of years for these atoms to increase in electrons to produce the heavier elements.
We aren't wonderfully designed. We are pretty terribly designed. For example a large number of species have much much better eye sight than us. Why? Why do we not have the best eyesight possible if we were designed by an intelligence?ChildOfTheKing wrote:But you cant because we are so wonderfully designed and so is everything around us.
Such as?ChildOfTheKing wrote:i have seen evidence that goes beyond any chance of psychological hollucinations, delusions...ect...stuff that absolutely CAN NOT be explained in any other way shape or form.0 -
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ChildOfTheKing wrote:I just physically proved an intellegent designer to you if you really grasp my words.
Ok, lets put it this way.
*Reaches into his bag of atheist tricks*
If the universe and life is too well organised to exist without a designer, then any entity capable of designing it is even more organised and complex, and therefore requires an even greater designer to explain it.
So even if evolution is all wrong, the God-designer hypothesis is fundamentally flawed.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPuKoEYCs2o
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