BSG - S3 E20 - Crossroads Part 2 **Spoilers**

geecee

Tigh, Anders and the Chief were all interred in the torture chambers in New Caprica... Could the presedential aide also have been interred?

I wonder were they implanted with something by Br. cavill - that would just make them think they are cylons?

Talisman

El Prez has another shot at being cured of cancer by getting a blood transfusion from Cally's baby. But for that to happen, the final five would have to reveal themselves.

Nukem

Loved it Loved it Love it!
Made up for the major dip in the series - com'on what a good ending to a series. A little telegraphed but that music was spot on.

2008:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
*Crawls under rock til then*

Barry Aldwell

Pepe LeFrits wrote:

Thus far, none of the characters from the original series have turned out to be Cylons.

Erm, boomer.......

sioda

Barry Aldwell wrote:

Erm, boomer.......

Tigh too

BKtje

I asked this before but i'll ask again incase people missed it. Does anyone know what version of "all along the watchtower" that is? thanks

DS

8T8 wrote:

DS the thread title has a spoiler warning so I assume anyone coming into this is appropriately warned ???

That's not what I mean. My interpretation of the spoiler warning in the thread title is that it refers to spoilers in this episode, which makes perfect sense. I'm talking about spoilers for future episodes e.g. "X has been confirmed by X as the final cylon". I think it's pretty reasonable to expect this kind of info to be spoilered.

Pepe LeFrits

Barry Aldwell wrote:

Erm, boomer.......

Oh yeah, oops

sioda wrote:

Tigh too

Doubly oops, I'm losing my brain

Haruspex

B-K-DzR wrote:

I asked this before but i'll ask again incase people missed it. Does anyone know what version of "all along the watchtower" that is? thanks

It's entirely Bear McCreary's original interpretation of the Dylan song, sung by his brother Brendan aka Bt4. He has written a fantastic in depth blog entry about the process. I'd recommend everyone who was captured by the closing music of this episode to read it! Click

I really thought this quote was interesting:

I happened to catch Ron Moore in the hallway at Universal and, in a brief conversation, got everything I needed to know. I learned that the idea was not that Bob Dylan necessarily exists in the characters' universe, but that an artist on one of the colonies may have recorded a song with the exact same melody and lyrics. Perhaps this unknown performer and Dylan pulled inspiration from a common, ethereal source. Therefore, I was told to make no musical references to any "Earthly" versions, Hendrix, Dylan or any others. The arrangement needed to sound like a pop song that belonged in the Galactica universe, not our own.

CiDeRmAn

Lots of coincidences in that there Orion nebula, at least thats what it looks like.
Reckon that the chances of a bunch of Baseships and Starbuck flying amiably along is one straw too many, perhaps she hitched a ride, perhaps the Cylons got there first.
Loved the courtroom stuff, all it lacked was Matlock!
The standard of writing and acting is a cut above the rest, I remember reading Verheidens Aliens comics back in the day, nice to see he hasn't lost it.
But the 4 guys being Cylons, listening to earth music, and old earth music too, 1500 lightyears away, so if the music got there under its own steam that would place our heroes in or around the year 3500, always wondered at what stage of development they find us, will it be the far future, will it be now?
If the future surely they would have entered into our sphere of influence by now, unless theres nobody home anymore?
Not to worry, Starbuck will tell us.
Roll on 2008, can't come quickly enough for this fan. Wonder if the wife will let me rename our son Apollo, her name is Kara, seriously!

Vokes

CiDeRmAn wrote:

But the 4 guys being Cylons, listening to earth music, and old earth music too, 1500 lightyears away, so if the music got there under its own steam that would place our heroes in or around the year 3500, always wondered at what stage of development they find us, will it be the far future, will it be now?
If the future surely they would have entered into our sphere of influence by now, unless theres nobody home anymore?

Could be there is no one, or ever has been anyone, on Earth. Perhaps the rag-tag fleet is the 13th Tribe, (i think Head Six has mentioned previously that this has all happened before?).

Bacchus

Well FRAC ME that was some ending. Wasn't overly gone on the trial and I wish they had come to it earlier in the season but cool speech from Lee and interesting prospects for Baltar. Got lucky with those girls coming to his aid really and knowing his luck they're some underground clan of nymphomaniacs

How cool was the reveal of the song. After Tigh's first line and Anders (I think) second line my jaw hit the floor. What the hell were they doing singing Bob Dylan!!!
The slow realisation that they were all heading to the same room was great. Can't believe they're Cylons. Especially Tigh and the Chief.

The bit after they jumped to the nebula was a bit "WTF" with all the power going and such. Can't wait to see what happens with all the basestars there. No doubt the Cylons will want to talk or something, thus avoiding a big fight (and the end of the humans).

So, what is Kara? Cylon or something else? Somehow I doubt she's a Cylon. I heard talk before of a 3rd race yet to be revealed. Not sure how much truth there is in those rumours but if there are another race, bet she's one of em.

Once again 2000 and 8!!!!!!! WHY!!!!

BKtje

It's entirely Bear McCreary's original interpretation of the Dylan song, sung by his brother Brendan aka Bt4.

Ah thanks. It really is a greta version imo

Edit: Mid august for bsg season 3 soundtrack, i'd almost buy it just for that mix.

Riamfada

omfg


lost for words


...eh.... orgasmic

ps: best version of All along the Watchtower I have ever heard

GerardKeating

Pepe LeFrits wrote:

could Roslin be the fifth, instead of Starbuck?

but she did not hear the music, or did she?

lostexpectation

8T8 wrote:

It is almost certainly one or the other given the spoiler info floating around.



Yeah she was a minor side character replacing Billy (I think he left or was he killed off on purpose?) you can't really use too many main characters I'd say as it complicates matters even more. It will be interesting to see how Tigh came about as his back story had him fighting in the first Cylon war so this "new" faction of Cylon's must have at least existed prior to the Chrome toasters.

Over on Something Awful's forums someone talked to Jamie Bamber (Lee Adama) and he dropped a minor spoiler or two about the final five & few other bits.


DS the thread title has a spoiler warning so I assume anyone coming into this is appropriately warned ???

the missing link is what I presumed the final 5 were, an older version which should be interesting to see those guys reveal their older version history, but a missing link between the metal and the meats does that mean they are less human/meatbags then the newer cylons?

duridian

One thing that makes me question whether the four who now think they're cylons are correct in their conclusion is the presence of Col. Tigh. At the start of season 2, when Adama was in surgery post-shooting-by-GalacticaBoomer, the flashbacks showed a "younger" Tigh and Adama. (i.e., E.J. Olmos and Mike Hogan with makeup and hairpieces to make 'em look younger)
Anyway, my point - and I may be wrong - but I can't remember seeing any of the 7 confirmed cylons in a younger form throughout the 3 seasons so far and I always thought that maybe this was because aging would raise tricky issues about the whole cylon resurrection thing.
For example since the cylon consciousness downloads into an identical body, does that mean that all the Tigh models, including the "empty" models aboard a resurrection ship age along with those into whom a Tigh consciousness has been downloaded.
If it can age, then how old can a Tigh become assuming the model is never killed by unnatural means.
Presumably a model can't age indefinitely, what happens when a Tigh reaches a very ripe old age? Does the body die and the consciousness download into a baby Tigh body?
These issues make me doubt somewhat the conclusion that the four Bob Dylan fans drew.
Also the coincidence of the power failure across the fleet at the moment of epiphany. I suspect the four "sleeper agents" are responding to something more significant than just a cylon on switch.

Berns

Just wondering, can anyone remember the ship that had the virus thingy. Was any of the suspects around it at all??
Also how come it wasnt noticed when Baltar was doin the bloodwork. I know he didnt mention about Boomer and it did work for her, but surely he would have said if the others had it??
And the cheif suspected himself to be one for a while... Could now have been right :eek:

First thoughts was , Kara's a cylon, cause if she did "die" then that would be the only way she could have came back. Also showin up at the same time as the cylons....freak coincidence????
However think on that virus ship, Lee was there, have a feelin that Kara and Anders might have been too. So could possibly rule them out?? Anyone fancy findin out what episode it was

Berns

3x7 was, none of the suspects were there :rolleyes:

Talisman

The episode was nothing special. The trial was a joke. All the build up was for nothing. Conveniently, there was no Cylon evidence presented, detailing how Baltar had given them the key to the defense system of the twelve colonies. If that was revealed he wouldn't have made it out of his seat nevermind to an airlock.

I posted previously that I thought the show had lost the edge that it had over all others and despite the producers talking up the end of season they clearly have lost their way. The show has gone soft and dumbed down, most likely in an effort to get more viewers. Season 4 being extended from 13 to 22 episodes is a very bad thing - expect another 12 or so filler episodes next year.

Anybody else notice that in the final scene, the vipers are in front of the fleet heading in to the nebula, while the raiders and basestars are approaching from behind.

The only interesting nugget in the episode was the revelation of Six getting the urge to protect Hera with her life. The link between Hera, Six, Sharon and Roslin can be explained because Roslin has Hera's blood in her and taking the drugs again is giving her heightened sensitivity to 'out there' things. The last time she was on the stuff she encountered Leboen in her dreams before she actually met him. Most likely it's all leading up to the introduction of a third race and the link between the humans and cylons.

Of course at the end of season 4 the cylons and humans are going to colonise Earth and everyone will live happily ever after. Should I have spoilered that?

Johnny Storm

Hmmmmm.......


........ I wonder what colour will Lee's flying motorbike be?


Things I didn't like;-

Tigh's a Cylon
Starduck still around
Arrival at Earth immanent
Bob frackin' Dylan?
Writer's completely out of ideas??
Shark well-and-truly jumped???
2008????
:eek:

CiDeRmAn

Well the show is finished at the end of the 4th season so I guess they have to start rapping things up, tie up a few loose ends.
I know that the wait til 2008 seems immense but at least we should have the Pegasus mini series to look forward to between now and then, that should fill the hole nicely, as the actress said to the bishop.
Starbuck turning up will take some explaining given we all saw her craft explode, downloaded perhaps? Although there didn't seem to be any ressurection ships in the vicinty, I don't know.

Good thing its all only pretend, right?

quad_red

Wtf?

Certainly, the end had my full attention. Yeah, we knew it was the blond angry lesbian returning when we saw the unidentified dradas contact. And yes, we already had guessed who was gonna be in the cylon 'unveiling' but...

Tyrol and Tigh!??! Two of the most human characters in the goddamn thing!?!?

What the hell? I don't know whether it's genius or complete aimlessness.

Johnny Storm

quad_red wrote:

I don't know whether it's genius or complete aimlessness.

Yep, I agree. Unfortunately it reminds me of the 100% aimless ending of season 3 (?) of Enterprise where they return to earth and are attacked by WWII Nazi Messerschmidt's over Washington and etc etc

The return of Starduck, the Bob Dylan song, Tigh being a Cylon - it all seems a bit desperate. I hope I'm wrong.

quad_red

having them all as cylons (Tigh, Tyrol etc.)

Cos if she is, Galactica (a rust bucket in the process of being decommissioned had no less than five cylon agents aboard. If every ship in the flight had that many there'd be hundreds of them and they would surely overlap.

1. Sharon
2. Tyrol
3. Tight
4. Starbuck
5. Aaron Doral

If Starbuck is a cylon, then why the hell would they take her ovary?

Bah - I give up!

Stark

Starbuck wrote:

If Starbuck is a cylon, then why the hell would they take her ovary?

They wouldn't have known she was a cylon. The other 7 cylons weren't aware of the identities of the final five.

quad_red wrote:

Tyrol and Tigh!??! Two of the most human characters in the goddamn thing!?!?

What the hell? I don't know whether it's genius or complete aimlessness.

I'm going to have to assume, that despite the incompetent writing of late, that they can't have missed the blaringly obvious fact that Tighe was around since before the first Cylon war and well known to many including Adama himself. So they must have good reason for having Tighe being a cylon.

cregser

I think something like this must have been part of the plan from the start. The writers had to know (mostly) who the 12 where.

Some peeps are saying they're sad to see the writers showing their cards as it signifies the winding down of the series. But as a viewer of Lost I'm glad to see a show finally get to the promised land and actually reveal stuff. As crazy as the ending was, it made it interesting

p.s. i think Lee is imagining Starbuck and Baltar has to still be involved.

quad_red

cregser wrote:

p.s. i think Lee is imagining Starbuck and Baltar has to still be involved.

Well, that would fit. There were other vipers to Lee's left but only he reacted to the unidentified contact (ala. Kara's bogie in the episode where she 'died').

Is she an imaginary player in the same way that Baltar/Six have Six/Baltar
in their heads?

Vokes

And if thats the case, what should we should call her now - HeadBuck, ChipBuck, etc ? :eek:

quad_red

SofaKing wrote:

And if thats the case, what should we should call her now - HeadBuck, ChipBuck, etc ? :eek:

She's a Head*uck allright