2006 census results published

Tha Gopher

LouiseIV wrote:

There are two points that I don't think have been considered so far. For a start, the census is about a year old and so it really only covers the population as it was a year ago. As the population is increasing so rapidly, any census carried out now is likely to be out of date after only a few months. To get a more up to date snapshot of the population we're going to have to wait until the past year's immigration figures are released and then add those to the non-national figure in this census.

Another point, in working out the non-national figure, I don't think the census includes the Irish-born children of the non-nationals in the non-national figure itself. It would be interesting to know whether they're included in the Irish category.

That's interesting. Why would someone a) not state their nationality and b) get away with not stating their nationality. I can understand people not stating their religion but why would they have reason not to state their nationality?

That cannot be right. 11,000 out of a population of 4.1 million? That would mean only one Chinese person out of every around 370 people in the country. For some reason it just seems a lot more than that.

Something tells me that that figure of 44,000 non-stated people is made up of alot of Poles and Nigerians.

I think those figures probably comes from all the PPS numbers issued to non-nationals.

re the children, I would think they would be put down as Irish unless their parents mistakenly filled them in as foreign born. However, iirc there was a race section on it, white irish, black irish, asian irish etc. Maybe alot of those surveyed who were born abroad filled in this section instead. Id assume the "non stated" forms were forms returned not fully filled in.

re your assumption of the Chinese figure Louise, careful now, you are using common sense rather than a clearly inaccurate government report

tha gopher banned for 2 weeks for calling a mod a liar
This is a debating chamber and not a ranting soap box insult hurling chamber.
Have a bit of cop on.

LouiseIV

Tristrame wrote:

tha gopher banned for 2 weeks for calling a mod a liar
This is a debating chamber and not a ranting soap box insult hurling chamber.
Have a bit of cop on.

Can you get banned for calling a moderator an asshole? I feel a strong urge now to call one moderator an asshole so I just wanted to check before I do in case I suffer the same fate as Tha Gopher.

Hobbes

You can get banned for calling anyone an asshole. The mod bit just got him an extra week most likely.

back on topic. This whole "feelings" rather then census reminded me of Colbert.

Colbert wrote:

We go straight from the gut, right sir? That's where the truth lies, right down here in the gut. Do you know you have more nerve endings in your gut than you have in your head? You can look it up. I know some of you are going to say I did look it up, and that's not true. That's cause you looked it up in a book.

LouiseIV

Hobbes wrote:

You can get banned for calling anyone an asshole. The mod bit just got him an extra week most likely.

Tha Gopher didn't call anyone an asshole, nor did he call anyone a liar. If you don't believe me, do a Control+F and search for the word 'liar' in any of the three pages of this thread. You'll notice that the first time it's used is by that moderator above.

back on topic. This whole "feelings" rather then census reminded me of Colbert.

I trust the CSO enough that I'm willing to accept their census results, but you have to admit at the same time that some of their figures do seem a bit surprising. Only 11,000 Chinese, does that really seem to be accurate?

Hobbes

LouiseIV wrote:

nor did he call anyone a liar.

Actually he did, and you don't need control-F.

I trust the CSO enough that I'm willing to accept their census results, but you have to admit at the same time that some of their figures do seem a bit surprising. Only 11,000 Chinese, does that really seem to be accurate?

Until you can prove something other then your gut I'll be more then willing to listen. Maybe you have statistics from Immigration?

LouiseIV

Hobbes wrote:

Actually he did

Actually he didn't, but if you can provide the quote showing where he used the word 'liar' I'd be more than willing to listen.

and you don't need control-F.

I don't need to find the evidence? Strange, coming from someone who's so big into people providing proof to back up what they say.

Until you can prove something other then your gut I'll be more then willing to listen. Maybe you have statistics from Immigration?

This is taken from BusinessWeek online. It contains a quote from the Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao when he was on a visit to Ireland back in 2004.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_30/b3893085_mz054.htm

As many as 60,000 Chinese now live in Ireland, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao noted during a visit to Dublin in May.

Another quote from the same article that may be of interest:

And the official data underestimate the true scale of immigration.

Rebel Racer Dan

Surely we all know that the figures here are not totally correct. How many poles actually filled out the census form? I used to live in a house wit 1 around census time and i know for a fact he did not fill it out

LouiseIV

I just noticed another interesting link from that main business week article.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_30/b3893087_mz054.htm

It just shows the increase in Chinese student numbers in Ireland up to 2004. I think it's significant because it provides the sources for the data i.e. the Chinese embassy and the Garda immigration bureau. Yes, I know the 30,000 figure is an estimate, but it's an estimate from fairly authoritative sources.

Bear in mind, this doesn't include all Chinese, just the number of Chinese enrolled in colleges. If 30,000 Chinese were enrolled just in colleges alone back in 2004, isn't it a bit strange that the number of Chinese people in the country could have fallen so drastically by last year?

Victor

LouiseIV wrote:

God almighty! Since when has an ROI government started considering people up in the north as British? Gerry must be fuming.

But what would Ian say? Who are you to say that Ian isn't British?

LouiseIV

Victor wrote:

But what would Ian say? Who are you to say that Ian isn't British?

Something tells me that Ian would not be altogether shocked to find a free state government classifying him as Irish.

Seriously though, isn't it a bit much that northerners should be classed as 'non-Irish'. Couldn't the CSO have come up with a more appropriate label to categorise them.

Hobbes

LouiseIV wrote:

Actually he didn't, but if you can provide the quote showing where he used the word 'liar' I'd be more than willing to listen.

Not that it really matters to the subject but if you scroll back someone said was he implying they were lying or stupid at which point he said the first option (see bottom of this). I said you wouldn't need Ctrl-F to find it. You seem to have a different grasp on English then what I would expect.

You also quote something out of date. I would be very interested to see where he got his count from. Although China does define someone of Chinese origin as being Chinese even if they are a different nationality. So maybe that is where he is getting his figure from.

I would be interested to know where the 11k Chinese figure came from because I have just looked at the survey and it says 16,533 Chinese registered on the census. Also 35K of other Asian nationalities. Not to mention someone can look Chinese and be English/French/American for example which I suspect is where everything thinks "All the Chinese they see".

That 30k you pointed to is not an actual figure, it is an estimate. Seems well off the 60k mentioned yet both are supposed to come from the same sources?

I'm sure the CSO figures could of been a bit more accurate if the question was "Do you look Chinese?".

Indeed Hobbes-thank you for those clarifications in my absence.
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