Lanelli V Munster

RuggieBear

Good luck Munster

RuggieBear

how come munster are wearing the alternative jerseys?

besty

It just doesn't look right RuggieBear!

besty

Poor defence from Munster there. Well taken try by Daffyd James though.

RuggieBear

James is looking back to his lions 2001 form

Chucky the tree

should taken the pen.

Royale with Cheese

It's actually The Scarlets vs Munster. Llanelli are an amateur team in the Welsh Premier Division. Just so you know...

Chucky the tree

Absolute bollox. ITs men against boys out there.

AbusesToilets

Munster aren't incisive at all.Same old problem of lack of decent backs for Munster

Chucky the tree

Jones should be on the sideslines for 10 minutes at the very least for that stamp.

RuggieBear

as should john kelly

Chucky the tree

Come on munster. 17-8

miss convert.

RuggieBear

when they stop bitchin at the ref and linesmen, munster play some great rugby.

Mossy Monk

Disasterous performance.

AbusesToilets

Game over

Chucky the tree

try scarlets, game over.

ROG should never be captain again. What is it abut playing in wales, and having Christ white reffing? The toys always come out of the pram.

RuggieBear

and the quarterback is toast

EdgarAllenPoo

Game over indeed. Jesus Munster were awful. Although from an Irish standpoint I hope Leinster win I wouldn't mind seeing Llanelli take the win this year they have been very impressive.

As far as Munster go, you know it's a bad sign when the quality of your play decreases as the season goes rather than growing into the the role of champions it seems to have hurt Munster.

At least the players will have plenty of time to rest and train for the world cup.

LFC5Times

Bottlers - but fair dues to Scarlets they outplayed them too,but Munster should not have been beaten by this score.

O'Gara missed vital early kicks to settle the Munster nerves- getting points on the scoreboard early on cannot be emphasized enough.

Mick O'Driscoll must have missed about 5/6 tackles.

O'Callaghan the most overrated player in the Irish team - only reaosn he gets his game is because we have not got a half decent second row apart from POC and the fact that most of the pack is Munster probably adds to the reasons for his position for Ireland.
He is brainless O'Callaghan and does not stop giving silly penalties away for offside,hands in ruck etc

Too obvious where the ball was going when they went wide - either to Halstead,Mafi on a line back in or to Wallace off a short lineout.

But once again well done Scarlets.

Id love to see a Scarlets V Leinster game could be an entertaining one.

EdgarAllenPoo

I thought Wasps/Munster and Scarlets/Leinster would be the most entertaining matches.

Why did Munster sign Mafi, I've seen nothing good from him. O'Callaghan always gives away stupid penalties as does Leamy.

You know when O'Gara starts effing in front of the ref that the team is rattled and they choked under the pressure. The Scarlets had nothing to lose and played as such. Fair play to them. Munster should be ashamed of this performance and O'Gara should never ever be captain again.

LFC5Times

Mafi is only a Celtic League player at best.

Halstead - dropped a good few balls today.

Didnt see Leamy or Wallace the whole game.

O'Gara can sometimes bottle it when it comes to big games.

Would like to see Scarlets go on and win it.

flsghujslkuo

Bloody disgrace.

Mafi .... USELESS
Halstead = Rob henderson b.
Cullen - love ya ta bits but time to call it a day. what happened.
Kelly = as much speed as a frighten turtle
Dowling - well there's hope still

ROG PRACTICE KICKING!

Why don't we take all that sponsorship money and buy 2, yes two that's all I ask, 2 world class players. A centre and a Full Back or wing... Payne can't play forever.

GET jauzion or de Villiers and G. Murphy.

Chucky the tree

Jauzion or De villiers wouldnt touch munster with a barge poll.

Erin Go Brath

Somebody should shoot that Stuart Barnes. I firstly, hate having to watch the game on Sky. Secondly listening to that biased @sshole just fills me with rage.

Oh yeah on the game: Munster were awful. Our backs are too limited, and so that proved to be the downfall. Cullen is an absolute joke imo. He had no influence at all on the game. He has to go. Thought we were decent 2nd half but, terrible for the first. Anyway, good luck to the Scarlets. Thought they were superb today and fully deserved the win.

Next years shopping list; new backs!!!

EdgarAllenPoo

Am I the only one and I am a Munster supporter(still,regardless of how well Leinster do although good luck to them), who thinks that Dwayne Peel is miles ahead of Peter Stringer in terms of how a 9 should play. Stringer looks way too static and it's a worry to me that Kidney depends on him and O'Gara too much or at least seems unwilling to change up their partnership.

They have five more games in the Magners League, should they test out Stringer/Hickey and O'Leary/O'Gara?

If I was Kidney I'd be making calls to Bob Casey and Nick Kennedy(while handing pink slips to Cullen and Mafi) and I would be at the Wasps game having a quiet word with Staunton and Redden but then that's just me:D

flsghujslkuo

so who should be brought in????

my vote: Jauzion, De Villiers, Murphy, Chavhanga (I know he's about 10 years younger than the normal people brought in i.e. 24) and I think pay what ever Habanna wants.... anything!

But can munster attract players like this....?

EdgarAllenPoo

Most of the sourthen hemisphere players that the Irish teams get seem to have no chance of getting contracts in their home countries or are on their last legs so with that in mind I would see what it would take to get George Greegan, Tana Umaga and Percy Montgomery to Limerick. As for new young talent how about Francois Steyn to cover either 10 or 15?

RuggieBear

better off looking within ireland.

earls has huge potential and there are a heap of leinster underage backs who won't make the leinster team for a little while yet.

Chucky the tree

flsghujslkuo wrote:

so who should be brought in????

my vote: Jauzion, De Villiers, Murphy, Chavhanga (I know he's about 10 years younger than the normal people brought in i.e. 24) and I think pay what ever Habanna wants.... anything!

But can munster attract players like this....?

No chance. Why the hell would Habanna leave super 14 to play in the poxy Magners league? A league munster dont even take it seriously. French players/supporters rate there own league as more important then the HEC so they wouldnt move either.

Even english teams find it easier to attract foreign players due to the fact the GPL is far more attractive playing wise then the ML.

Sundy

Munster got found out tonight, it was always going to happen at some stage. You can only live on passion and good luck for so long. Hard luck but im sorry you just dont have the quality in the backs or in your replacement forwards.

davyjose

Chucky the tree wrote:

the GPL is far more attractive playing wise then the ML.

Ah come on man, I know it's been a tough night, but grab a hold of yourself!!!

Goodluck2me

RuggieBear wrote:

better off looking within ireland.

earls has huge potential and there are a heap of leinster underage backs who won't make the leinster team for a little while yet.

theres a lot of people within the leinster setup worthy of a spot with them but due to the sheer volume of them and the form of the senior players they wont get a chance. i think more should go down south, likes of McCarron, Carr, Willis, et al would have a great shot at it. i think willis is one of the best prospect comin from either province, and would fit it with ease to any heineken cup side (as shown earlier in the year),.

good point ruggie well spotted

Chucky the tree

davyjose wrote:

Ah come on man, I know it's been a tough night, but grab a hold of yourself!!!

Then why does it attract top international players when the ML doesnt?

funky penguin

Sky Sports commentators need to read this:

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055069555

hehe. I was just explaining this to my Dad before the match, and then it comes into play during the 1st Munster try.

The Scarlets deserved to win. They also deserve to win the cup. Personally, I'd love to see them play Leinster in the final. But I get ahead of myself....tomorrow at 5.30.. come on Leinster!

davyjose

Chucky the tree wrote:

Then why does it attract top international players when the ML doesnt?

I would say the cash. There's more money in the GP.
But there are a lot of SH has-beens there as well. Mehrtens went as soon as it became clear there was a better prospect at Crusaders (it really says something about the quality of NZ Rugby); Spencer had a couple of good months this time last year, but is nothing like the player he was pre-WC. That's two examples, but I'm sure there are more: Reihana, I guess, could have gone to an ML side, but Munster got Cullen - a couple of years ago I know which FB i'd have chosen.

zAbbo

Knee jerk reactions from the Munster fans, this isn't Rugby Manager, you just can't go out a sign Jauzion !

Scarlets deserved it, Munster's form this season has been pretty poor.

Good luck to Leinster tomorrow, to keep the Irish flah flying.

Chucky the tree

davyjose wrote:

I would say the cash. There's more money in the GP.
But there are a lot of SH has-beens there as well. Mehrtens went as soon as it became clear there was a better prospect at Crusaders (it really says something about the quality of NZ Rugby); Spencer had a couple of good months this time last year, but is nothing like the player he was pre-WC. That's two examples, but I'm sure there are more: Reihana, I guess, could have gone to an ML side, but Munster got Cullen - a couple of years ago I know which FB i'd have chosen.

Spencer might not be the player he was pre-WC but he is still excellent. I'd take Reihana in a second over Cullen.

Lecister will be signing Aaron Mauger after the WC, huge signing and not something i could see leinster or munster doing.

mogsy

Munsters backs were exposed today as being about as potent an attacking force as wet toilet roll,O Gara and backline lacked in terms of creativity and physicality to cope with the scarlets. IMO munster lacked leadership from 1-15,This was not the performance I had anticipated from the nucleus of a triple crown winning Irish pack.

Scarlets thoroughly deserved victory this evening and Munsters management are going to have a lot to think about on how they can challenge for cup next year when the likes of Mafi, john kelly and the once great cullen are meant to represent a threat in the backline.

on a positive side the signings of carney,warwick and lewis should add some depth to backs next season.However shaun payne cant have much long left of his career ahead of him and in any case apart from being secure under the high ball he offers little in attack while Cullen has little to offer at the highest level.Munster need to sign a quality FB. Lewis and Murphy are both 13s and will not form a centre partnership as their performance for Ireland A this season illustrated. Munster should sign a 12 as well and with little options in the domestic market should possibly be looking at some southern hemisphere market for players who wont be hanging around after the RWC.

Whatever about up and coming talent such as Earls,Hurley and ryan these players will undoubtedly feature for Munster in the future but will not make a major impact next season

RANT ENDS

davyjose

Chucky the tree wrote:

Spencer might not be the player he was pre-WC but he is still excellent. I'd take Reihana in a second over Cullen.

Lecister will be signing Aaron Mauger after the WC, huge signing and not something i could see leinster or munster doing.

Agreed - you won't find a bigger Spencer fan than I, but a very disappointing year - could be looking to leave Northampton. Someone that could interest munster in a IC role.
Would you have said that about Cullen 2/3 seasons ago? Not me.
The Mauger thing is a massive coup, but is a rarity, getting someone of that quality from the SH.
In fact I daresay the best SH player in Europe at the moment wears No.10 for Leinster.

bugler

Munster paid the price for next to no recruitment after last year. Mafi hasn't been a success. Some good breaks last night that kick-started the revival, but terrible hands at times and suspect defence.

If the Munster pack is intact and performs then they can get away wih it. But not having POC in the side was a big loss, IMO Ryan should have started the game. He did more in the 5 minutes he was on than the other two locks.

They might want to retain J Kelly as a useful utility back. I don't believe Dowling is up to it at this level. He's not quick, he's not big, he doesn't have much of a boot. What does he bring? Whatever it is, it's not enough at this level for a modern winger. Contrast with the Scarlet wings - who were bigger, stronger and fast than their opponents.

C Cullen - Munster really missed Payne, who might not be quick or much of a finisher but is at least dependable under the high ball or as the last man. I suspect Cullen's injuries are now as much mental as physical. Time to go.

The good news for Munster is that they've already recruited better this year than last. They still need to add a couple of players...but a backline featuring Warwick, Lewis, Carney and Earls has potential far greater than their predecessors.

siochain

Munster played into their hands, Llanelli play a nice brand of rugby best of luck to them for the rest of the cup.

RuggieBear

Chucky, imo the english league sucks from an entertainment point of view. But they have huge money (and sterling) to thank for all the big names they attract.

Magners league is usually much more entertaining but this is hampered by teams not putting out full strength teams.

zAbbo

GP is woeful to watch, Mauger is going to Tigers to secure the HC, make no doubt about it, and it's possible he'll be joined by another marque player (chris jack etc.)

I can't believe Kidney said that it was a young team, and the same team will be back next year. They made a massive mistake recruiting poorly in the off-season.

In Lewis they are getting a far superior player to Barry Murphy.

EdgarAllenPoo

Where are the Tigers going to play Mauger, they already have three 10's and a ton of centres. You never no maybe he'll push out Humphreys and he'll sign for an Irish club(other than Ulster).

crybaby

Terrible performance, the backline aapart from O'Gara were exposed for the pack of chancers that they are in professional rugby

And yet again some very poor kicking from O'Gara after the same in the Italy game

Chucky the tree

davyjose wrote:

Agreed - you won't find a bigger Spencer fan than I, but a very disappointing year - could be looking to leave Northampton. Someone that could interest munster in a IC role.
Would you have said that about Cullen 2/3 seasons ago? Not me.
The Mauger thing is a massive coup, but is a rarity, getting someone of that quality from the SH.
In fact I daresay the best SH player in Europe at the moment wears No.10 for Leinster.

The whole saints team had a terrible year. But when he does leave, he wont be short of teams wanting him. I'd nearly take him ahead of ROG.

There was always question marks over Cullen, but i didnt think he would be this unlucky with injury, a shame. I guess 3 seasons ago i would of taken cullen because of the potential.

You wouldnt be far off it, but argie players are the only SH players that would move to Munster or leinster in their prime. ML is the least attractive of the 4 leagues in the world, thats the problem.

Ruggie, i never meant to imply GPL is more attracting viewing wise, its brutal. But its alot more competitive and the clubs take it more seriously.


My reply was originally too the calls of lets go get Jauzion, rabanna etc etc. It will never happen. IF a GPL club was interested, they would pick them first if even money was offered.

flsghujslkuo

At the welsh 2nd try there was some suspect rucking by Jones; he was dancing on top of a munster man: the rules state there has to be backward motion when 'shoeing' but Jones went out to tear the arm off Quinlan.

Of course it takes nothing away from a great win from llanelli, they deserved to win.

Sangre

Chucky the tree wrote:

Then why does it attract top international players when the ML doesnt?

Probably because the likes of Ireland don't try and recruit big name international stars ahead of homegrown talent.

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Amz

I wasn't able to merge this thread with the Munster thread, so if you can do it Dave that might be better than closing it.