CWC Day 23 Thread - Ireland against South Africa

zuutroy

These 2 are just knockin out the singles

KevIRL

zuutroy wrote:

I think that hump in the SA run rate is down to Mooney alone...He put us in a hole

Not to mention his golden duck. Not a good day for Mr Mooney alright

DMC

zuutroy wrote:

I think that hump in the SA run rate is down to Mooney alone...He put us in a hole

Not really. SA should've tried to get to 160 within 20 overs. NRR will be huge to SA, in the attempt to get into the semis. Fair play to the Irish for keeping it tight enough.

NRR is crucial to Ireland too, we are 7th on NRR alone. More prize money for the lads.

zuutroy

Surely his 2 for 23 would be seen as costly though?

KevIRL

DMC wrote:

Not really. SA should've tried to get to 160 within 20 overs. NRR will be huge to SA, in the attempt to get into the semis. Fair play to the Irish for keeping it tight enough.

NRR is crucial to Ireland too, we are 7th on NRR alone. More prize money for the lads.

Big (winnable) game against Bangladesh to come as well

eirebhoy

DMC wrote:

Not really. SA should've tried to get to 160 within 20 overs. NRR will be huge to SA, in the attempt to get into the semis. Fair play to the Irish for keeping it tight enough.

NRR is crucial to Ireland too, we are 7th on NRR alone. More prize money for the lads.

What's NRR? /never mind, googled it.

SA have been averaging 4 per over for ages now.

mikeruurds

DMC wrote:

Mike... looks like it won't be the win and massive improvement in net run rate South Africa would've looked for at the start of this?

Imo it's more difficult to improve NRR in a rain shortened match. A win will do

Edit: Bangladesh game is coming

DMC

I still don't think so. Ireland have controlled the wides and no balls that blighted earlier matches. 4 extras so far. Botha's and Rankin's economy rate have negated Mooney's excesses.

Quixote1064

A bit like the last two games. Ireland not getting battered but never really at the races. A few if onlys - no overs from Mooney, Rankin and Johnston take the catches and who knows? Hope still for a repeat of the Pakistan experience in the Super 8's?

KevIRL

eirebhoy wrote:

What's NRR?

SA have been averaging 4 per over for ages now.

NRR (Net run rate) is the equivalent of goal difference in soccer Eirebhoy, used to place teams in the event of points being the same at the end of the league stage

zuutroy

Quixote1064 wrote:

A bit like the last two games. Ireland not getting battered but never really at the races. A few if onlys - no overs from Mooney, Rankin and Johnston take the catches and who knows? Hope still for a repeat of the Pakistan experience in the Super 8's?

Would love to see them give the Aussie's at least a scare. I have plenty of mouthy Aussie mates!

darkman2

NRR: Net Run Rate I think.
Ireland have given SA a good game here IMO despite the inevitable thats about to happen.

Its unfortunate that some commentators (especially the English) have a really bad attitude to the team. 'Shouldnt be here etc etc'.

eirebhoy

Ireland are 200/1 on Betfair. SA must be just happy with the way it's going?

county

32 from 48

DMC

The Sky commentators (by which I mean the Botham's and Atherton's) don't want us to be here. But I've only heard good from Tony Cozier and the radio boys.

mike65

Well it is like Shels in the Champions League knock out stage.

128 for 3 after 27

Mike.

DMC

South Africa 128/3 after 27 overs.

Foot on the gas now... 4 then 6 this over...

eirebhoy

DMC wrote:

South Africa 128/3 after 27 overs.

Still averaging exactly 4 per over which would make it a tie.

/Ah they finally put in a decent over.

zuutroy

I really noticed that in Botham during the England match...current guys on the net stream are quite complimentary

Royale with Cheese

darkman2 wrote:

NRR: Net Run Rate I think.
Ireland have given SA a good game here IMO despite the inevitable thats about to happen.

Its unfortunate that some commentators (especially the English) have a really bad attitude to the team. 'Shouldnt be here etc etc'.

I don't think it's especially the English. Mike Atherton and Michael Holding were the two who were most against the associate teams playing in the world cup. They considered it a waste of time. They weren't just talking about Ireland though, Scotland, Holland, Canada and Barbados too.

darkman2

DMC wrote:

The Sky commentators (by which I mean the Botham's and Atherton's) don't want us to be here. But I've only heard good from Tony Cozier and the radio boys.

Yes, that despite the fact we have given England and Pakistan a good enough game. The England game was definatley not uncompetitive and this game could still be uncomfortably close for SA.

mikeruurds

DMC wrote:

The Sky commentators (by which I mean the Botham's and Atherton's) don't want us to be here. But I've only heard good from Tony Cozier and the radio boys.

Their (Botham & Atherton's) side are ****e... they shouldn't flap their lips too much.

Ireland's performance in this WC has made England's look pitiful in comparison (relatively speaking).

Athers was always a whiner. His losing speeches (of which there were many) were always painful to watch.

DMC

I'd consider Holding a English Sky commentator, since he's always there in the English summer and overseas winter.

Ireland are not your average minnow. They have to realise that now.

zuutroy

Royale with Cheese wrote:

I don't think it's especially the English. Mike Atherton and Michael Holding were the two who were most against the associate teams playing in the world cup. They considered it a waste of time. They weren't just talking about Ireland though, Scotland, Holland, Canada and Barbados too.

Well more fool them if they want to keep it as a closed shop. Ireland's performance has raised the profile of the game hugely IMO. They're just afraid of more people beating them at their own game!

darkman2

Royale with Cheese wrote:

I don't think it's especially the English. Mike Atherton and Michael Holding were the two who were most against the associate teams playing in the world cup. They considered it a waste of time. They weren't just talking about Ireland though, Scotland, Holland, Canada and Barbados too.

It makes you wonder, if they were in charge, just how in gods name they would grow their sport with an attitude like that. Cricket will never be popular unless it gets exposure from unlikely countries. Smacks of eliteism tbh.

DMC

zuutroy wrote:

They're just afraid of more people beating them at their own game!

You'd think that former English cricketers would've got rid of that superiority complex years ago, after all the hammerings they've had down the years!

mikeruurds

DMC wrote:

You'd think that former English cricketers would've got rid of that superiority complex years ago, after all the hammerings they've had down the years!

Agreed. And they'll get many more with their pompous attitude towards the competition.

darkman2

5 overs left. 10 more runs to get. SA win but hardly the most convincing id hazard to think from supposedly the best team in the world.:rolleyes:

zuutroy

Have we given up over the last 5 or are SA turning the screw?

DMC

mikeruurds wrote:

Their (Botham & Atherton's) side are ****e... they shouldn't flap their lips too much.

I've always been of the opinion that former players shouldn't be given a microphone on retirement. There are exceptions, but on the whole, let them learn to be journalists first...

Some of the best commentators are not former players. CMJ, Tony Cozier, Jim Maxwell... where is old Blowers! My dear old thing!

mikeruurds

zuutroy wrote:

Have we given up over the last 5 or are SA turning the screw?

SA are turning the screw. The ball is old now and runs are flowing freely.

KevIRL

zuutroy wrote:

Have we given up over the last 5 or are SA turning the screw?

Not turning the screw, more like just picking off singles

county

5 to win from 25 balls

mikeruurds

DMC wrote:

I've always been of the opinion that former players shouldn't be given a microphone on retirement. There are exceptions, but on the whole, let them learn to be journalists first...

Some of the best commentators are not former players. CMJ, Tony Cozier, Jim Maxwell... where is old Blowers! My dear old thing!

Maybe I'm just biased, but I find it's mostly the English commentators that are the problem.

I don't have a problem with most Windy, Aussie and SA ex-players who have turned to commentating.

DMC

county wrote:

5 to win from 25 balls

Similar situation to Zimbabwe then

DMC

Its as dark outside here in Dublin...

mikeruurds

DMC wrote:

Similar situation to Zimbabwe then

You wish.

county

DMC wrote:

Similar situation to Zimbabwe then

chancing your arm a bit there

4 from 22

DMC

Look at that... not giving in til the game is won.... certain boundary...

But a 6 to win.

South Africa win by 7 wickets (D/L method)

zuutroy

Nice effort again....Hope we can win one (maybe 2???!!) of the remaing few! night lads!

county

scores level


edit/ all over SA win by 7 wickets

TrueDub

DMC wrote:

I've always been of the opinion that former players shouldn't be given a microphone on retirement. There are exceptions, but on the whole, let them learn to be journalists first...

Best radio commentator out there: a West Indian lady called Donna Simmons. She appears on TMS in Eng v WI series, and she's streets ahead of most of the other commentators.

KevIRL

Another great performance. Ireland really answering the critics.

Proud of ye boys!

DMC

TrueDub wrote:

Best radio commentator out there: a West Indian lady called Donna Simmons. She appears on TMS in Eng v WI series, and she's streets ahead of most of the other commentators.

I did enjoy her a few years back. A very good feature on TMS in Wisden this year TrueDub, worth checking out.

DMC

Ireland's net run rate improves.. it was -1.019 its now -0.79

Tables to come soon.

Endurance Man

Only got to see SA's batting, Kallis was a machine as usual, paced himself well and played some insane cricket shots.
Ireland played well, fielding was a bit slack but that catch from Johnson was immense. His gay little dance afterwards however was gay ^^.

DMC

Super Eights table after South Africa v Ireland

Super Eights  	Mat  	Won  	Lost  	Tied  	N/R  	Pts  	Net RR  	
Australia 	3 	3 	0 	0 	0 	6 	+2.014 		
New Zealand 	3 	3 	0 	0 	0 	6 	+1.437 		
Sri Lanka 	3 	2 	1 	0 	0 	4 	+2.069 		
South Africa 	3 	2 	1 	0 	0 	4 	-0.47	
England 	2 	1 	1 	0 	0 	2 	+0.047 		
West Indies 	4 	1 	3 	0 	0 	2 	-1.177 		
Ireland 	3 	0 	3 	0 	0 	0 	-0.79		
Bangladesh 	3 	0 	3 	0 	0 	0 	-3.357

mikeruurds

Endurance Man wrote:

Only got to see SA's batting, Kallis was a machine as usual, paced himself well and played some insane cricket shots.
Ireland played well, fielding was a bit slack but that catch from Johnson was immense. His gay little dance afterwards however was gay ^^.

It was teh ghey Irish jig.

Highly entertaining

Endurance Man

mikeruurds wrote:

It was teh ghey Irish jig.

Highly entertaining

I was eating chinese and almost got sick .

mikeruurds

Endurance Man wrote:

I was eating chinese and almost got sick .

That catch made me sick... it was that good