Iran press conference and the released British sailors

Voipjunkie

Have to say they appear to be the biggest bunch of wusses ever.

If this is an example of the british crown forces it must be extremely embarrassing for people in the PIRA that they could not beat them forget the snipers all they had to do was call them Mr Bean and they would have ran home crying.

It must be terrible embarrasing for the brits that they appeared on TV criticisng their own Goverment and thanking their captors and then home they come to tell us that they cried like babies.

The Iranians must be thinking bring it on if this is an example of the opposition facing them.

Manic Moran

Voipjunkie wrote:

The Iranians must be thinking bring it on if this is an example of the opposition facing them.

Depends on if they read Michael Yon or not.

http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/british-forces-at-war-as-witnessed-by-an-american.htm

NTM

FYI

From the BBC:

US 'will keep Iranian detainees'

The US is to continue holding five Iranians captured in Iraq despite protests from Tehran, US media said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6556665.stm

Expect a similar outcry from the media and those that opposed the sailors detention.

nacho libre

FYI wrote:

From the BBC:

US 'will keep Iranian detainees'

The US is to continue holding five Iranians captured in Iraq despite protests from Tehran, US media said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6556665.stm

Expect a similar outcry from the media and those that opposed the sailors detention.

Don't be naive FYI;)

lostexpectation

what happened to the sailors did a quick goolge not much on when are the supposed to go back they had two weeks off

FYI

UK Foreign Affairs Committee says map evidence was hmmmm fabricated...


"We conclude that there is evidence to suggest that the map of the Shatt al-Arab
waterway provided by the Government was less clear than it ought to have been. The
Government was fortunate that it was not in Iran’s interests to contest the accuracy
of the map. We recommend that, in its response to this Report, the Government
state why it chose to mark the boundary as a purely ‘territorial water boundary’
rather than including aspects of the ‘land boundary’ agreed to in 1975."

...and....

"There has been some dispute over the map that was produced by the Ministry of
Defence. We asked Martin Pratt, Director of Research at the International Boundaries
Research Unit at Durham University, for his analysis. He argued that the Government’s
map was “certainly an oversimplification” and that “it could reasonably be argued that it
was deliberately misleading.”49 His particular concern was that the Government chose to
downgrade a land boundary signed between Iran and Iraq in 1975 (known as the “Algiers
Agreement”) to a “territorial water boundary” on its map."

Full report at:

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200607/cmselect/cmfaff/880/880.pdf

Villain

Not surprised at all, interesting that the report wasn't finished or released until Blair had gone.

wes

Yep, not surprised at all by this. Too bad it won't get the media attention it deserves.

RedPlanet

I am a little surprised. After all, a British investigation into British conduct ordinarily spells WHITEWASH.

Fratton Fred

Sorry lads, you are right, our sailors were in your territory, it was actually an invasion and you are totally justified to execute the sailors as you see fit.

Better?

Or is it beter to be economical with the truth and try and use international pressure to secure the release of the sailors. Even if the sailors were in Iranian water, the Iranians still broke international agreements by arresting them, they then paraded them on TV, contravening the Geneva Convention.:rolleyes:

RedPlanet

Fratton Fred wrote:

Even if the sailors were in Iranian water, the Iranians still broke international agreements by arresting them, they then paraded them on TV, contravening the Geneva Convention.:rolleyes:

The Iranians have the right to do whatever they see fit once the soldiers entered Iranian waters.
The British soldiers were not prisoners of war, therefore they can parade them on tv as much as they want.

Fratton Fred

RedPlanet wrote:

The Iranians have the right to do whatever they see fit once the soldiers entered Iranian waters.
The British soldiers were not prisoners of war, therefore they can parade them on tv as much as they want.

There is a treaty which dictates what happens when one country's navy ventures into the territorial waters of another, Iran have signed up to this. I'll try and find a link.

As for them not being prisoners of war, therefore not govenred by the geneva convention, is that right Mr Bush? maybe they should have been sent to Gitmo instead?;)

RedPlanet

Fratton Fred wrote:

As for them not being prisoners of war, therefore not govenred by the geneva convention, is that right Mr Bush? maybe they should have been sent to Gitmo instead?;)

No, it's not like that at all.
There exists no state of war between the two parties.
The incursion acrosss the border could be interpreted as an act of aggression alright, but calmer heads prevailed.
Heck, where we'd be if everytime HMG's soldiers entered into the Rep. of Ireland it was taken as an act of war?

jonny72

Fratton Fred wrote:

Sorry lads, you are right, our sailors were in your territory, it was actually an invasion and you are totally justified to execute the sailors as you see fit.

Better?

Or is it beter to be economical with the truth and try and use international pressure to secure the release of the sailors. Even if the sailors were in Iranian water, the Iranians still broke international agreements by arresting them, they then paraded them on TV, contravening the Geneva Convention.:rolleyes:

Wow, not taking a biased view there are you? How do you think the Brits would react if they found a North Korean boat in their waters, just pat them on the back and say off you go chaps? Same situation.

Fratton Fred

jonny72 wrote:

Wow, not taking a biased view there are you? How do you think the Brits would react if they found a North Korean boat in their waters, just pat them on the back and say off you go chaps? Same situation.

If they travelled all the way here in a Rigid Inflatable then good luck to them, give em a cup ot tea and send them on their way. but that's a bt different.

The RN was acting under UN sanction and "Potentially" strayed into territory that belonged to Iran. Protocol dictates that the offending navy gets told to clear off and does so, if not it is an act of aggression. turning the whole thing into a media circus to keep your mad extremists happy goes a bit beyind what is acceptable.

RedPlanet

Fratton Fred wrote:

The RN was acting under UN sanction and "Potentially" strayed into territory that belonged to Iran. Protocol dictates that the offending navy gets told to clear off and does so, if not it is an act of aggression. turning the whole thing into a media circus to keep your mad extremists happy goes a bit beyind what is acceptable.

"Protocol" dictates? :rolleyes:
Lets see that link you were promising Fratton Fred.

jonny72

Fratton Fred wrote:

If they travelled all the way here in a Rigid Inflatable then good luck to them, give em a cup ot tea and send them on their way. but that's a bt different.

The RN was acting under UN sanction and "Potentially" strayed into territory that belonged to Iran. Protocol dictates that the offending navy gets told to clear off and does so, if not it is an act of aggression. turning the whole thing into a media circus to keep your mad extremists happy goes a bit beyind what is acceptable.

Iran is extremely paranoid at the moment and rightly so. The precursor to any strikes or invasion is to send in special forces teams.

Funny all the strong forceful talk when it comes to Iran, but all the chicken-hawk appeasement talk when it comes to North Korea.