Is Clontarf going down the tubes?

nesf

Moved from AH.

rivers

it's funny that you keep quoting pubs or ads for houses stating clontarf as the address. as stated before they're obviously going to say its in clontarf. that's also the same reason why westwood is in clontarf. looks much better on the brochures than marino dont you think?
I always thought the border was the howth road/train line that separates marino/clontarf.

to the guy who was using the fact that barcode is full of scumbags (which it is) to justify clontarf being a bad place, people come from all over dublin to go to that place. Yes alot from clontarf, but also from everywhere else aswell...

Volvoboy

The shooting was in Marino, not Clontarf simple, i do deliverys in Clontarf for a shop on the Clontarf road so i know the area well, never mind postcodes or online estate agents. And no Clontarf isnt going down the tubes you'll get rough sorts in all walks of life and not specified to one area.




-VB-

judas101

Marino Marino Marino.

I went to secondary school in ard scoil ris MARINO which where griffith ave and malahide road cross. To get there every day i cycled from clontarf through killester.

"Clontarf golf course" i'm not even sure borders Clontarf rather Donneycarney, Killester ect.

I wouldnt consider the Howth road to be in Clontarf.

As mentioned above it's a fact that estate agents ect stretch the boundaries of certain areas to make them more appealing to buyers.

lightening

I lived on Charlemont Road for three years. It's address is Clontarf. I would not receive post if someone marked it down as Marino or Fairview. (lots of mates did this of course)

"I wouldnt consider the Howth road to be in Clontarf."

The bit that goes through Clontarf is.

judas101

And which part would that be then?

lightening

judas101 wrote:

And which part would that be then?

The part that goes from Charlemont Road, past Sweeney and Forte, past Copeland Avenue, Past Harry Byrnes of Clontarf, passed that newish place, I think its called Ashbrook, along by Dunluce until you get to Killester.

Here is a lil' map.

judas101

hmmm.

it's a bit of a grey area.

driving down the howth road you go through killester, past clontarf and into marino (fairview)

its pretty borderline.


that picture does illustrate how clontarf golf course is NOT in clontarf. Not even a little bit.

spurious

judas101 wrote:

that picture does illustrate how clontarf golf course is NOT in clontarf. Not even a little bit.

But it 'was' before the imposition of areas such as Donnycarney and Marino in the 20th century. In fact almost all that map was 'Clontarf' 150 years ago.
Herein lies the confusion.

johnnyrotten

Donnycarney Golf Course it is so!

Don't think the members would agree som how

lightening

The postal addresses of all the houses in that area on both sides of the Howth Road are Clontarf. Allways have been, always will be. The map is up to date.

(The golf course entrance is a bit far from Clontarf all right!)

judas101

spurious wrote:

But it 'was' before the imposition of areas such as Donnycarney and Marino in the 20th century. In fact almost all that map was 'Clontarf' 150 years ago.
Herein lies the confusion.

Exactly.


Get with the times maaannnnn!

lightening

judas101 wrote:

Exactly.

wrong.

judas101

lightening wrote:

wrong.

good point. you raise an interesting arguement.

lightening

Hey, I tell you what then Judas.

I will think that the houses on the Howth Road with Clontarf postal addresses are in Clontarf.

You will think that the houses on the Howth Road with Clontarf postal addresses are in some other part of Dublin, not Clontarf.

There, you go off all happy now! Enough said.

Sorted

I know this thread is a bit old (!) but I stumbled across it while I coincidentally have the deeds to a house on Brighton Avenue which is directly off Charlemont Road. The deed is from 1905 and describes the house as being in "Clontarf in the City of Dublin" and "in the Manor and Parish of Clontarf".

So there

artanevilla

I'm from Coolock, but most of my mates live in the Clontarf area, so I know what it's like on both ends of the spectrum. Clontarf is fine, I know of a couple of eastwallers that hang around there but it's mostly safe.

extopia

I'd say the railway line is the natural boundary. East of it is Clontarf. West of it is either Fairview, Marino, Donnycarney or Killester, depending on how far North you go.

I don't believe Barcode is in Clontarf. It's in Fairview. The land it's built on used to be a corporation depot, part of Fairview park. Its address is Clontarf Rd., Dublin 3, which is not necessarily Clontarf.

The Crescent (which is its name; it's not Marino Crescent) is indisputably in Fairview. It predates the Marino housing estate by a long way. I believe those who attribute Stokers birthplace to Marino or Clontarf to be simply wrong. The Crescent is beside Clontarf (west of the railway line at Clontarf Rd), but it is not IN Clontaft. And it's across the Malahide Road from Marino. No one would dispute that Marino crosses the Malahide Road. It is a clearly defined housing scheme bordered by Malahide Rd., Griffith Ave, Philipsburgh Ave, and a line south of Brian Road. South of Brian Road, the southern end of Philipsburgh Ave is Fairview.

mikemac

Impressive thread resurrection

But you sir extopia know your stuff! I've been saying for a long time that Westwood was in Fairview but they advertise themselves as Clontarf.

You've pretty much nailed the separation of Fairview, Marino and Clontarf but of course many people have creeped into "Clontarf West", Marino!
Dunno why, Marino is a perfectly fine location.
And without doubt, Bram Stokers house is in Fairview

But there is a vet on the Malahide Road that advertises themselves as Clontarf, it's in the business name.
It's by Centra and Graingers pub though that pub may be gone now, not sure.
Surely a business wouldn't put a false business name,no?

extopia

Well, businesses like to advertise themselves in the best possible light. Clontarf has more cachet than Fairview. As for the vet, well, he could just be fudging it, or he could just be wrong. There's nothing to stop you naming your business after an adjacent area. Or even a non-adjacent area, now that I think of it. What about the Boston Bakery (Drumcondra). Or the Mullingar House (Chapelizod). Countless more examples around town.

I agree with you that Marino, Fairview, and Clontarf are all fine areas. And so is Donnycarney, which, as is suggested above, even has its own golf club :-)

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This thread was interesting, so I've deleted a few comments.

gurramok

Certainly was. Tempted to dig up up to date crime stats on the area but that would be against the forum rules which were introduced after the thread was started!

Sorted

extopia wrote: »

I'd say the railway line is the natural boundary. East of it is Clontarf. West of it is either Fairview, Marino, Donnycarney or Killester, depending on how far North you go.

I don't believe Barcode is in Clontarf. It's in Fairview. The land it's built on used to be a corporation depot, part of Fairview park. Its address is Clontarf Rd., Dublin 3, which is not necessarily Clontarf.

The Crescent (which is its name; it's not Marino Crescent) is indisputably in Fairview. It predates the Marino housing estate by a long way. I believe those who attribute Stokers birthplace to Marino or Clontarf to be simply wrong. The Crescent is beside Clontarf (west of the railway line at Clontarf Rd), but it is not IN Clontaft. And it's across the Malahide Road from Marino. No one would dispute that Marino crosses the Malahide Road. It is a clearly defined housing scheme bordered by Malahide Rd., Griffith Ave, Philipsburgh Ave, and a line south of Brian Road. South of Brian Road, the southern end of Philipsburgh Ave is Fairview.

"I'd say", "I don't believe"...!!!! Here's a FACT for you: all the properties between the Malahide Road and Howth Road from The Crescent heading north to the border of Donnycarney will have "Clontarf" on their title deeds. Always was always will be. Marino lies to the east of the Malahide Road.

The Crescent faces the Clontarf Road and - heading west to town - the sequence is Marino Mart and then Fairview.

Thank you

jkmanc1974

mikemac wrote: »

Impressive thread resurrection

But you sir extopia know your stuff! I've been saying for a long time that Westwood was in Fairview but they advertise themselves as Clontarf.

You've pretty much nailed the separation of Fairview, Marino and Clontarf but of course many people have creeped into "Clontarf West", Marino!
Dunno why, Marino is a perfectly fine location.
And without doubt, Bram Stokers house is in Fairview

But there is a vet on the Malahide Road that advertises themselves as Clontarf, it's in the business name.
It's by Centra and Graingers pub though that pub may be gone now, not sure.
Surely a business wouldn't put a false business name,no?

Has Graingers gone or what the story? Used to be my local before I moved West 3 years ago.....

Brgds
Johnny

Sorted

I can happily report that Graingers is still alive and kicking! Nice pub. They got planning to develop the site - new pub, apartments etc but I'm not sure if that's going ahead or not. Would have been a great improvement on that corner though so fingers crossed it'll happen...

ManFromAtlantis

and now gerry's gone (if this wasnt mentioned yet)

Sorted

ManFromAtlantis wrote: »

and now gerry's gone (if this wasnt mentioned yet)

Er...who's Gerry?

ManFromAtlantis

ER....G RYAN....!

(the quiet, skinny fella with no opinion about nuthin)

has'nt he left clontarf to go more up-market ?

TarfHead

ManFromAtlantis wrote: »

has'nt he left clontarf to go more up-market ?

Well, I don't think a desire to go more up-market was his sole motivation for quitting the family home !

His family used to live up the road from me, then moved to the Clontarf Road. When he got married they lived, IIRC, in Marino, then to where the family home currently is.

FWIW, my 2 cent on boundaries. I lived for 5 years in Venetian Hall and, when needed, offered an address of Howth Road, Clontarf, Dublin 3. As often as not, someone used to over-write Killester, Dublin 5 on the envelope.

On the west side of Howth Road, it's Clontarf up to the Collins Avenue junction. After that, it's Killester, even though they're on the side of the tracks that others have suggested are Clontarf.

Growing up in Clontarf, and attending Belgrove, there were some families from the Conquer Hill area that you'd cross the road to avoid. That was over 30 years ago, so there is a history of, eh, 'different social values' in the area.

And, YES, Westwood is not in Clontarf, just like Total Fitness (beside Clare Hall) is not in Malahide.

wintear

Would that be the Total Fitness beside the Hilton Dublin Airport?

Place names are very flexible in Dublin and as someone said Clontarf along with Howth and Sutton are the places to live on the Northside of the city.

jkmanc1974

wintear wrote: »

Would that be the Total Fitness beside the Hilton Dublin Airport?

Place names are very flexible in Dublin and as someone said Clontarf along with Howth and Sutton are the places to live on the Northside of the city.

Yep that the same Total Fitness beside the Hilton Dublin Airport/Darndale Hilton.....

Back to the original query though, think it will make for interesting conversation when am up in Graingers next week!!!

Brgds
Johnny

Rashers

TarfHead wrote: »

FWIW, my 2 cent on boundaries. I lived for 5 years in Venetian Hall and, when needed, offered an address of Howth Road, Clontarf, Dublin 3. As often as not, someone used to over-write Killester, Dublin 5 on the envelope.

FWIW Venetian Hall was built on the ground where I started my first job -- Dublin Dairies, and the dairy was known as the Killester depot.

highdef

wintear wrote: »

Would that be the Total Fitness beside the Hilton Dublin Airport?

Place names are very flexible in Dublin and as someone said Clontarf along with Howth and Sutton are the places to live on the Northside of the city.

Which is probably why Bayside, which is an area in itself, is apparently in Sutton :eek: Even houses on Kilbarrack Road in Kilbarrack have their addresses as Sutton. To walk from one of these houses to Sutton would take at least 20 minutes. To make things even more complicated, I've seen addresses on the east side of Kilbarrack Road being described as being in Sutton and houses on the opposite side of the road as being in Raheny. WTF is Kilbarrack so???
To prove that Bayside is actually Kilbarrack - Kilbarrack Cemetery is in the middle of Sutton Park, Kilbarrack. This is about a kilometre east of the Kilbarrack Road and is about half way between Kilbarrack Road and Sutton Cross. Why would Kilbarrack Cemetery be called Kilbarrack Cemetery if it was in Sutton. Kilbarrack is actually huge.....a lot bigger than most people realise.

TarfHead

highdef wrote: »

Which is probably why Bayside, which is an area in itself, is apparently in Sutton :eek: Even houses on Kilbarrack Road in Kilbarrack have their addresses as Sutton.

Houses in the general Bayside area are referrred to as Sutton, including Verbena, Sarto & Sutton Park. The title deeds of houses in Sutton Park refer to it being in Sutton, so that's the Land Registry's view of the world .

The football & gymnastics clubs refer to themselves as Mid-Sutton.

A colleague of my wife lives near Kilbarrack DART station, yet refers to her home as Raheny. Go figure !

lightening

highdef wrote: »

I've seen addresses on the east side of Kilbarrack Road being described as being in Sutton and houses on the opposite side of the road as being in Raheny. WTF is Kilbarrack so???

The white line in the middle of the road!!

extopia

Sorted wrote: »

"I'd say", "I don't believe"...!!!! Here's a FACT for you: all the properties between the Malahide Road and Howth Road from The Crescent heading north to the border of Donnycarney will have "Clontarf" on their title deeds. Always was always will be. Marino lies to the east of the Malahide Road.

The Crescent faces the Clontarf Road and - heading west to town - the sequence is Marino Mart and then Fairview.

Thank you

Fair enough, I'd admit that it's disputable whether the houses between Malahide Road and Howth road are in Clontarf or not. (Although I WOULD like to see those title deeds).

The fact that the road facing the Crescent is Clontarf Road does not mean that that part of the road is actually in Clontarf. (For example, no one would claim that Howth Road is actually in Howth).

Have a look at this map of St. Anthony's Parish. Not definitive but it does suggest an old source for the Clontarf boundaries in this area. Not that it doesn't claim all the houses on the west side of Howth Road.

You're welcome.

mikemac

TarfHead wrote: »

FWIW, my 2 cent on boundaries. I lived for 5 years in Venetian Hall and, when needed, offered an address of Howth Road, Clontarf, Dublin 3. As often as not, someone used to over-write Killester, Dublin 5 on the envelope.

Venetian Hall is most definitely Killester Dublin 5.
Killester is a fine area, I lived not far from it for two years

Dublin 3, seriously :rolleyes: