F1 2007 .. Not overly impressed so far.

v10

The lack of overtaking in Oz and again today in Malaysia has left me very disappointed .. I know F1 always lacks overtaking but it appears to have got worse this year .. I assume its down to the harder tyres.

I was also very dissatisfied with both ferrari drivers today, just didn't cut it for me .. Massa made a couple of mistakes that cost him dearly but at least seemed to make an effort to get by Hamilton where Raikkonen just seemed to settle for 3rd very early on.

Didn't think I'd say it so soon but we would of had a different result today with last years Ferrari line up.

aphex™

v10 wrote:

Massa made a couple of mistakes that cost him dearly but at least seemed to make an effort to get by Hamilton where Raikkonen just seemed to settle for 3rd very early on.

Saving the engine for the end of the race, maybe? They could have kept it at lower revs from the pit wall. That sickens me. Don't they have to use hard and soft in each race now? I think so

Heard mclaren were saving their engines in 0z for Malaysia. So didn't challenge for 1st. Whats the point in watching it then????

Or saving tyres. Thats another cop-out.

RACE Goddamit!!

v10

aphex&#8482 wrote:

Saving the engine for the end of the race, maybe?

Fair enough, they often do that for the last stint after the second pitstops, but Raikkonen settled for 3rd today before even the 1st stop.

aphex&#8482 wrote:

They could have kept it at lower revs from the pit wall.

No they can ask the drivers to save their engines but they can't actually control it from the pit wall .. thats against the rules

aphex&#8482 wrote:

Don't they have to use hard and soft in each race now? I think so

Yeah, but what I meant was compared to last year .. all the tyres they're using this year are harder than last years (no need to be competitive when there is only one supplier) .. hence best race lap last year was 2 seconds faster than this tears (in Malaysia)

Ghost Train

Early days, wasn't a great australian race, i enjoyed todays race more. You'll always get a few races that aren't the best. Looks like it could be a close season between mcclaren & ferrari. Apart from massa the other three drivers in those teams are new to the team, so i think it will take a few races to see whos going to be strongest driver and team. Good to see heidfield in the mix too. Bahrain next week so not long to wait for the next race, hopefully it will offer a bit more

Good to see massa fighting, but pretty big mistake to make early in the race, hopefully he'll learn from it though

Woden

I don't agree that Raikkonen settled for 3rd from early on tbh. This was evident in the last stint when he seemed to be doing what he could to catch Hamiliton for 2nd

Reptileboy

I'm still not sure how things are going to work out this season, but Malaysia is not the most overtake friendly track on the calendar. But is very demanding on the drivers physically. Which creates a punishing race for them, but since we can't tell, all we see is the cars racing around.

The lack of undertaking is a concern, but I have to say, I was gripped by Hamiliton at the end. I'm not a team follower, I just love to watch the sport, but I was willing Hamiliton to beat Kimi Raikkonen, who once again put in a performance that lacked fire and passion.

Alonso did his job, got the car to the end of a pretty flawless race for him. Although I wonder if Hamiliton hadn't been a buffer between him and the Ferrari's would he have been able to hold them off.

But really, two races in and it's still hard to predict. Some of the teams are pretty evenly matched, while others are becoming more competitive with each race. Plus the new tyre regulations still haven't settled in yet. So who knows.

But I am getting annoyed by the gaps between the races. Bernie needs to seriously look at the calendar again. A three week break between the first and second race is no way to get a new season going.

thegoth

What we know so far this season,

1) Kimi and Massa are no replacement for MS

2) At last the brits have a driver that is worth all the praise being thrown at him

3) In Australia Kimi did have to turn down his engine revs for the race. See http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=38935

4) Without a team like Jordan and a driver like MS, F1 is REALLY boring. I can see myself watching alot of Champ Car this year. I know they are not the very best drivers in the world, but the racing is exciting

AdMMM

I can see myself watching alot of Champ Car this year. I know they are not the very best drivers in the world, but the racing is exciting

I was watching the opening race in Las Vegas but wasn't overly impressed with it. The new chasis looks more like a Formula BMW than a traditional champcar. Now I'm aware that they were previously very wide to offer protection from outside retaining walls on ovals and now that they don't race on ovals it isn't needed but I always liked the size of the ChampCars. there also seems to be too many rookies in the series for it to be that competitive. It may be exciting, but numerous wrecked cars doesn't do any favours for the manufacturers who are already struggling to run teams!

Peter Collins

What channel is the Champ Car racing on?

AdMMM

Eurosport show it live and Motors TV show it delayed.

Beekay

thegoth wrote:

4) Without a team like Jordan and a driver like MS, F1 is REALLY boring. I can see myself watching alot of Champ Car this year. I know they are not the very best drivers in the world, but the racing is exciting

And F1 was exciting when MS was in it?hahahaha

Fantastic Kaz

thegoth wrote:

What we know so far this season,

1) Kimi and Massa are no replacement for MS

2) At last the brits have a driver that is worth all the praise being thrown at him

3) In Australia Kimi did have to turn down his engine revs for the race. See http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=38935

4) Without a team like Jordan and a driver like MS, F1 is REALLY boring. I can see myself watching alot of Champ Car this year. I know they are not the very best drivers in the world, but the racing is exciting

MS is very talented but F1 was INCREDIBLY boring when he was just winning race after race.

Kimi is the best replacement for MS.

Who needs Jordan to make F1 exciting? Getting rid of idiots like Massa would be a good start.

OSiriS

Jordan didn't so much make F1 exciting, as give many of us a reason to be truely passionate about the sport. Without someone you can identify with it becomes harder to find a team/driver to cheer for. Many like to support the team they deem the best, while others prefer an underdog. I envy those who can get excited about cheering for someone they have no real (or imagined) connection to. Without any Irish interest anymore I find myself cheering for the guy I dislike the least, or the guy in the best position to beat whoever I dislike the most.

Sabre0001

There is FAR too much technology in F1 these days...Launch control at the start, various settings that drivers can use depending on situation and the likes...It's ridiculous!

Not really a test of man or machine anymore...Everything is simplified, I mean look how many cars failing in each race - much fewer...I liked the excitement where at any moment, something (even a minnow) could blow!

Also, the rules have crippled the sport - engines having to be saved, tyres and more...But yes, at last there is a British driver that deserves praise and touted as a future champion rather than the rest...

Sabre0001

There is FAR too much technology in F1 these days...Launch control at the start, various settings that drivers can use depending on situation and the likes...It's ridiculous!

Not really a test of man or machine anymore...Everything is simplified, I mean look how many cars failing in each race - much fewer...I liked the excitement where at any moment, something (even a minnow) could blow!

Also, the rules have crippled the sport - engines having to be saved, tyres and more...But yes, at last there is a British driver that deserves praise and touted as a future champion rather than the rest...

Fantastic Kaz

OSiriS wrote:

Jordan didn't so much make F1 exciting, as give many of us a reason to be truely passionate about the sport. Without someone you can identify with it becomes harder to find a team/driver to cheer for. Many like to support the team they deem the best, while others prefer an underdog. I envy those who can get excited about cheering for someone they have no real (or imagined) connection to. Without any Irish interest anymore I find myself cheering for the guy I dislike the least, or the guy in the best position to beat whoever I dislike the most.

Support the A1 GP team then. I really don't think its essential to be the same nationality as a team owner in order to be passionate about motorsport.

thegoth

Alot of champ car "Rookies" are actually very experienced drivers.

Yeah F1 was boring at times with MS winning but I really enjoyed watching record after record being smashed

Fantastic Kaz

thegoth wrote:

Alot of champ car "Rookies" are actually very experienced drivers.

Yeah F1 was boring at times with MS winning but I really enjoyed watching record after record being smashed

Records-Lots of close, exciting racing there.....yawn:rolleyes:

Ghost Train

I don't have much of a problem with the way f1 is, yes michael schumacher made it a bit predictable for a few years, yes the tech side of it can have too much impact on things and yes the rules don't always make for better racing. I've good memories of the old points system, good memories of the old style qualifying on low fuel and everyone on the track, but i think no matter what the rules are, what the qualifying is, how strong particular drivers are your still going to get the best drivers, best teams, best engineers winning the races.
I still think f1 is best series, although I enjoy a1, cart,indy,even nascar. I don't think you can manufacture great racing with rule changes etc, yes sometimes it helps but sometimes it detracts, last year there were some great races under similar rules, 5 or 10 years ago there were great races with some different rules. I think f1 is still about drivers and teams getting the best of the cars, sometimes you get drivers/teams being too strong, but eventually other drivers/teams come along or catch up

Running Bing

Its testament to how badly F1 is being run when you have four top quality drivers who could each win a race and it still manages to be boring.


Races in F1 are won or lost in the pits and not on the track now, its all about strategy. The first corner of the race is the only place where any actual raceing happens after that 1st, 2nd and 3rd places are sorted bar a mistake in the pits or bad strategy.

Running Bing

thegoth wrote:

Alot of champ car "Rookies" are actually very experienced drivers.

Yeah F1 was boring at times with MS winning but I really enjoyed watching record after record being smashed

I miss Michael wearing the tight racing suit. He was so masculine and muscular with his perfectly sculpted chin. He truly was a god amongst men. I think F1 should change it's name now that he is gone becuase lets face it Michael was F1. I think the Michael Schumacher memorial series has a nice ring to it.:rolleyes:

Blackjack

Fantastic Kaz wrote:

Records-Lots of close, exciting racing there.....yawn:rolleyes:

I would agree that watching MS being in front from Pole and winning the race by a country mile was pretty boring, however when he raced in the wet (Spain 96 my personal favourite) or got sent to the back of the grid for whatever reason (Brazil last year was an example) then he really showed how exciting it could be.

zuutroy

I was a big fan from 94 to about 01 mostly because of Jordan, and Schumacher kept me mildly interested until last year. From this point on, I can't see myself watching much of it.

fatal

I have been watching f1 for about 7 years now...often staying awake all night just to watch the japanese,australian and malaysian gp's.
However I have not watched one complete race this season.I did say to myself when michael announced his retirement last season that I dont see myself being able to watch it this season and from what ive seen so far this season I have seen nothing to start watching it again.I just dont see that "never give up" attitude that we ALWAYS saw with michael schumacher on the track and doing the impossible.......

muckwarrior

I'm enjoying it so far this year and think we're gonna have a good championship. I reckon 2003 was the last time a championship was so open.

sham69

Thought this year would start better, Kimi seems content to accept 2nd or 3rd every race. I think Massa has the speed but also has that wild driving style still that will cause him to make mistakes. Hamilton looks pretty amazing, if ITV and England in general stop trying to make a god out of him already he will do well and Keep Alonso fairly honest. I think the saubers are doing great and also Heidfeld has impressed me this season.
With regard to Schumi, I was a big fan. If you really think about it and look back over his whole career there were some amazing races between him and hill, Villenueve and especially Hakkinen who in my opinion was the only man at the time to have the beating of him and there seemed to be a mutual respect thing going on there. Love him or hate him you were guaranteed something controversial when Schumacher was on the grid, sadly that is gone so there is a void there.

v10

sham69 wrote:

Thought this year would start better, Kimi seems content to accept 2nd or 3rd every race. I think Massa has the speed but also has that wild driving style still that will cause him to make mistakes. Hamilton looks pretty amazing, if ITV and England in general stop trying to make a god out of him already he will do well and Keep Alonso fairly honest. I think the saubers are doing great and also Heidfeld has impressed me this season.
With regard to Schumi, I was a big fan. If you really think about it and look back over his whole career there were some amazing races between him and hill, Villenueve and especially Hakkinen who in my opinion was the only man at the time to have the beating of him and there seemed to be a mutual respect thing going on there. Love him or hate him you were guaranteed something controversial when Schumacher was on the grid, sadly that is gone so there is a void there.

I agree will all of that .. Kimi has been the biggest disappointment for me so far .. I think if it wasn't for Massa's engine failure in Oz he'd be currently winning the championship and if he keeps his cool he can beat Kimi this season. Heidfeld has also impressed .. that move on Alonso was enough to earn him a raise. Hamilton is very good, but I'm really getting tired of hearing about it so much.

Anyone who believes Kimi could have beaten Schumacher in the same car can hardly be still making that claim now ?

Robbo

v10 wrote:

Hamilton is very good, but I'm really getting tired of hearing about it so much.

It does make a change though, listening to the ITV guff and the hubris can *actually* be justified. Makes a change from the adventures of Plucky Little Jenson and Steadily Employed David Coulthard.

fatal

v10 wrote:

Anyone who believes Kimi could have beaten Schumacher in the same car can hardly be still making that claim now ?

agreed 100%
there were those that thought that michael was walking away because kimi was being signed and he left because he knew that he would have been outqualified and beaten by kimi in every race........How much I wish michael was still here to prove them wrong and set a few more world records at the same time;)

flocker

Unfortunately F1 lost it appeal a few years ago with commentators getting excited that that their had been a place change during a pit stop........ I'm a convert to Moto GP and Superbikes.
Sideways action, thrills, spills and last lap dices. Superbikes at Valencia last weekend had superb racing. It's a long time since I've seen that in F1.

stever

Bring back the toothpaste tube cars and those narrow tyres, no bufferzones where the cars can't drive behind other cars like we see now



:eek: :eek:

steviec

It's lacking that never say die spark without Schumacher alright.

Looking at Kimi settle for third and Alonso drop back to fifth while their team-mates fought for the race win at the last race. Has Schumacher ever had such a race as lackluster as either of those performances in his whole career? There's been a few rare races where his team-mate outpaced him, but the thought of him not even getting on the podium when his team-mate is fighting for the win, unless there's a car problem, I simply can't think of any time it's ever happened.

At least it's all set to be a competitive Season though. Despite the points situation, I'd pick Massa as the favourite I think. He's consistently got the most pace and just had some bad luck and made one mistake. You've got to think races like Bahrain will be the norm and races like Malaysia will be the exception. I don't think Kimi's going to suddenly find more pace, he's done thousands of miles in testing so I'm not sure you can still say he's just getting used to the car. His race craft is better than Massa but if the Ferrari remains the best car that probably won't be enough.

Interesting to see Hamilton keep Alonso honest. As much as I hate ITV deifying him, he seems to be a genuine talent. It's not just the results, it's the way he's achieved them. That McLaren is clearly the second best car but he's got it higher than it should be with some great first lap instincts and, dare I say it, he dealt with a poorly balanced car better than Fernando did in Bahrain.

Watching his reactions in the car as it slid around the corners reminded me strongly of how Schumacher manhandled the Ferrari when it often struggled for grip in the late 90s. I don't think that's something you ever see from Alonso, he's incredibly consistent and gets the most out of a great car, but when the balance isn't so good he seems to struggle a little.

Also, Heidfeld has been superb. It's good to finally see him getting some recognition because he's quietly put in solid performances for many years now and has an admirable record against a list of team-mates including Jean Alesi, Jacques Villeneuve and Kimi Raikkonen amongst others. Now he's got a solid car under him he's proving he can race with the best of them.

triple h

Ok what is good about 2007 so far...(i know there are more bad points, but thats life in F1 so far)
1)--Setanta are taking no ad breaks-- ( boring or not, no ad breaks are always good, one would go mad watching it on itv)
2)--Nick Heidfeld doing really well. I could never understand why people put him down and the same people talk so highly of Mark Webber. the only conclusion i can come to is that nick walks with his head down and mark walks with his nose held up high in the air as if he knows all, and the reality is that nick is better at the end of the day.--- so its great to see Nick do so well.
3) Lewis Hamilton---i was full sure this guy would flop. Glad i dont watch it on itv or i would go off him.

Thats it, i am afraid. Pity there is not a babe like Danica Patrick driving in F1. I reckon IRL is much better, champ cars are, i dont know what, i cant put my finger on it...., i only watch champ cars if i have nothing to do.

steviec

triple h wrote:

Nick Heidfeld doing really well. I could never understand why people put him down and the same people talk so highly of Mark Webber. the only conclusion i can come to is that nick walks with his head down and mark walks with his nose held up high in the air as if he knows all, and the reality is that nick is better at the end of the day.--- so its great to see Nick do so well.

Not sure I agree there, I do rate Heidfeld very highly but the same goes for Webber. I'd probably name them as my two favourite drivers on the grid at the moment in fact.

When they were at Williams together Heidfeld outscored Webber slightly(Webber scored more in the Season cos Nick missed a couple of races) but it was pretty much 50/50 between them all year and could easily have gone either way. Both very good drivers and pushed each other hard.

I think the reason Webber is rated so highly is the way he's destroyed his other team mates - remember him putting the Jaguar on the front couple of rows of the grid regularly while his team-mates couldn 't break the top 15? Heidfeld on the other hand has always performed strongly, but has rarely been far up the road from his team-mates. It's fair to say he's had to face much stronger team-mates, but it's easy to see why he stands out less. Now that he's finally in a good car he's getting some recognition though.

Webber is still stuck in a poor car, and once again he's put it into the final qualy session in every single race while his multiple race winner team mate struggles to get it into the second. He's been doing a great job for years now, and he definitely doesn't have an attitude at all. He seems the most down to earth of all the drivers in interviews.

Running Bing

steviec wrote:

It's lacking that never say die spark without Schumacher alright.

Looking at Kimi settle for third and Alonso drop back to fifth while their team-mates fought for the race win at the last race. Has Schumacher ever had such a race as lackluster as either of those performances in his whole career? There's been a few rare races where his team-mate outpaced him, but the thought of him not even getting on the podium when his team-mate is fighting for the win, unless there's a car problem, I simply can't think of any time it's ever happened.

At least it's all set to be a competitive Season though. Despite the points situation, I'd pick Massa as the favourite I think. He's consistently got the most pace and just had some bad luck and made one mistake. You've got to think races like Bahrain will be the norm and races like Malaysia will be the exception. I don't think Kimi's going to suddenly find more pace, he's done thousands of miles in testing so I'm not sure you can still say he's just getting used to the car. His race craft is better than Massa but if the Ferrari remains the best car that probably won't be enough.

Interesting to see Hamilton keep Alonso honest. As much as I hate ITV deifying him, he seems to be a genuine talent. It's not just the results, it's the way he's achieved them. That McLaren is clearly the second best car but he's got it higher than it should be with some great first lap instincts and, dare I say it, he dealt with a poorly balanced car better than Fernando did in Bahrain.

Watching his reactions in the car as it slid around the corners reminded me strongly of how Schumacher manhandled the Ferrari when it often struggled for grip in the late 90s. I don't think that's something you ever see from Alonso, he's incredibly consistent and gets the most out of a great car, but when the balance isn't so good he seems to struggle a little.

Also, Heidfeld has been superb. It's good to finally see him getting some recognition because he's quietly put in solid performances for many years now and has an admirable record against a list of team-mates including Jean Alesi, Jacques Villeneuve and Kimi Raikkonen amongst others. Now he's got a solid car under him he's proving he can race with the best of them.

Can you ever make a comment about F1 without bringing Schumacher into it:mad:


Jesus, it's people like you who are the reason people hate the guy. I admire Schumacher and his winning mentality and always kinda liked him before I got more into F1 but hearing fanboys like yourself just makes me dislike the guy. Give it a break, he was a great driver, he had a great career, he was immensely successful but now he is retired. I dont have to make a comment about Fangio or Senna every time I post even though I admire both drivers and dont think there is anyone like them in F1 today.:rolleyes:

Fantastic Kaz

triple h wrote:

Pity there is not a babe like Danica Patrick driving in F1.

Euwwww that's horrible. I want to see loads of women in motorsport (We HAVE to prove we're better than men) but she's.. well, just crap.

Running Bing

triple h wrote:

Thats it, i am afraid. Pity there is not a babe like Danica Patrick driving in F1.

I think there are very good reasons for that

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4361130.stm

Lets face it there are just some things men are better at than women and F1 is one of them.

dr.bollocko

I must say I have finally fallen back in love with the sport this season after MS sucked all the joy, fun, racing and interest out of it for year after endless year. Who would have thought a robot made in the late sixties in an Italian car could have been so consistent?
I do definitely see that the racing aspect has been lost to some extent, and the excitement now tends to revolve around pit strategies rather than daring overtaking, but I can see this improving throughout the season. We already have a tight race for World Champion.

trendkill

steviec wrote:

Has Schumacher ever had such a race as lackluster as either of those performances in his whole career?

Ive wanted to comment for a while.. but I didnt want ot start a schumi debate like that huge one we had last year....

but yeah he has, Suzuka 03... and that was for the title..... and there's plenty more lacklustre races Ive seen him drive..... Id mention them.. but then all the schumi fans would put a list of drives where he was startling "catalunya 96... everytime hhe raced at spa blah blah blah"

... but then that wouldnt be answering the question you asked now would it

SouperComputer

Im surprised we havnt seen more succesfull Female drivers TBH. Motorsport is a mind game ultimately. Sure its physically demanding, but nothing that training and track time cant take care of.

Perhaps its somthing to do with the emotion part of the brain, its pretty important to cut that out while racing.

Robbo

SouperComputer wrote:

Perhaps its somthing to do with the emotion part of the brain, its pretty important to cut that out while racing.

And that lovely hormone that we have that the ladies don't which causes us to go for gaps that aren't there or chase opponents with a plug spanner...

Fantastic Kaz

SouperComputer wrote:

Perhaps its somthing to do with the emotion part of the brain, its pretty important to cut that out while racing.

Yeah....... Sure.

What do you race then?

trendkill

Wasn't it the emotion that drove some of the greatest racers, Senna, G.Villeneuve, Francois Cevert, Michele Alboreto etc...... (but they all died in racing accidents too!! )... but it was the emotion that drove them to become so determined to drive to the best of their ability

SouperComputer

Robbo wrote:

And that lovely hormone that we have that the ladies don't which causes us to go for gaps that aren't there or chase opponents with a plug spanner...

Or crack someones ribs and flip them on their head? I have no idea what you are talking about.

trendkill wrote:

Wasn't it the emotion that drove some of the greatest racers, Senna, G.Villeneuve, Francois Cevert, Michele

They were all driven, gutted-determined drivers yes. But like many, it's their ability to separate emotions from the non-racing environment and equally filter racing emotions, to filter them out in an almost callus way so as not to affect their peformance.

Although not very technical, this book will give you an interesting insight as to what racing drivers instinctivly do. Some better than others.

There is another more in-depth, motorsport psycology book which explains in more technical terms how emotion filters work in the brain, wave states, the flow chart if you will of though processes etc etc. Pretty interesting stuff, especially if you have had any sort of racing experience yourself. You would amaze yourself how much you do automatically without thinking. The name of the book escapes me though.

fantastic kaz wrote:

Yeah....... Sure.

What do you race then?

Im not sure if this is a troll or not, but anyho..... I don't currently race. I hope to get back in the seat a couple of times this year most likely in karts (street races), perhaps ending with a test in NASCAR at Daytona in December. Fianace and fitness permitting of course.

Fantastic Kaz

SouperComputer wrote:

Im not sure if this is a troll or not, but anyho..... I don't currently race. I hope to get back in the seat a couple of times this year most likely in karts (street races), perhaps ending with a test in NASCAR at Daytona in December. Fianace and fitness permitting of course.

Well done.

I highly doubt many women fail to participate in motorsport because of "somthing to do with the emotion part of the brain".

SouperComputer

I wasnt talking about participation, I was talking about success. It was a general comment for discussion, hence the "perhaps"

muckwarrior

Fantastic Kaz wrote:

Well done.

I highly doubt many women fail to participate in motorsport because of "somthing to do with the emotion part of the brain".

Now now, no need to get all emotional!

So tell us, whats your theory on why women are crap drivers haven't succeeded in motorsport?

Fantastic Kaz

muckwarrior wrote:

Now now, no need to get all emotional!

So tell us, whats your theory on why women are crap drivers haven't succeeded in motorsport?

Not getting emotional at all, I was merely expressing my opinion.
So you think women are crap.. Right, here is what we'll do, drop down to mondello and lets see who's fastest?

The reason why women don't succeed in motorsport is because it is a male dominated sport which tends to exclude the talents of the superior sex. Perhaps they're afraid of the competition?

SouperComputer

So you think women are crap.. Right, here is what we'll do, drop down to mondello and lets see who's fastest?

See whos fastest between who and who? Besides, speed is only one part of the equation, your forgetting consistancy, tactics, adaptation to conditions and situations etc etc.

he reason why women don't succeed in motorsport is because it is a male dominated sport which tends to exclude the talents of the superior sex. Perhaps they're afraid of the competition

Thats such a cop-out answer!

Our very own Rosemary Smith was a world-class driver back in the day, when motorsport and indeed most things in the western world were male-dominated.

In recent times we have had more successful female drivers than ever. Im just surprised that more dont make it to higher levels. In other sports typically it is due to physical makeup but in motorsport, that is not the case, so the difference has to be mental\psychological.

In all my years around racing, I can't think of ONE team manager/owner in many diciplines of motorsport that would not have a driver drive for them because they are female. If one has the talent and finance will get a drive, beit male, female or undecided

Now on the other hand, I do take offence to drivers who happen to be female that are of below-average ability, but stil think they are destined for F1, they know who they are They are in the public eye simply because they are female and have good PR IMO. Luckily these people are in the minority.



.....Now thats OT!

trendkill

To be honest, I think its a pointless argument, Male vs. Female..... for one reason.... I have met my fair share of girls that have been so cruel etc.. that they would do anything to get what they wanted... thats psychological.... just like schumachers competitive streak....... now if some of the girls I have known raced cars.. I'd be fearful of them.. give an inch and they take a mile... and not too many guys would disagree with me on that one.

the only thing I cant believe is that Murray Walker.... holds a very sexist view on women drivers... that they dont have it in them to make F1 drivers. One of the best female racing drivers ever to be in F1 quit because she got into a relationship with Niki Lauda whom she raced against at the same time... he couldnt hack it and got her to give up.. the name escapes me though

SouperComputer

Just to clarify, I'm not trying to start a M/F arguement per sé, which in any case would be pointless. Just putting stuff out there for discussion, thats all.