Bilzzard to stamp out gold farmers

BKtje

http://www.dailygaming.net/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=208

If true, i'm not sure how i feel about it.

DRakE

Hopefully it's just a badly delayed April Fools joke

sunzz

I don't see the diff in buying gold off blizz to buy weapons or off farmers, at least this way blizzard make money off it, and people don't worry about getting banned, that said i hope its not true and they just keep on banning the rejects who are farming and selling it.

One thing that makes me not believe it is the fact the gm in question said "chineese farmer"

Binomate

Hopefully it'll drive down the prices of the gold farmers so that I'll be able to afford my epic flying mount. 5000g is an insane amount of gold to pay for a skill. There's really no argument against gold buying. If you can afford it, why would you rather spend hours, if not days on end grinding and farming? It's the most soul destroying task in the game, even more so for some specs and classes. Eve online alows you to purchace time cards and sell them for in game cash, and it works fine. Why shouldn't blizzard do the same? I don't agree with the epic items for sale, but I do agree with gold for sale. Epic items must be earned, gold is there to support earning the epic items.

Jim

Sony set up the the same thing in Everquest.
Worked out quite well in the end iirc. Although since it was posted 3 days ago and haven't heard a peep about it on any other site I'm going to go with fake.

BKtje

I don't see the diff in buying gold off blizz to buy weapons or off farmers

There would be a huge difference. People who refrained from it as it was "illegal" before will do it now whenever they need money for pots or whatever. It will drive the cost of items upwards as people will be willing to spend much more (thanks to readidly available cheap gold) and thus even players who don't buy gold will have to farm a lot more to be able to afford them.

If article is true (as was said seems to be some doubt) it also claims all items will be 40% more expensive so epic flying mounts would be 7200 thus not only would you have to buy even more gold but the people who would refrain from it have to farm even more.

The more i think about it the more i'd say it's not going to happen.

tom_ass19

tbh, it would be a good idea i think. atm, im lvl54 rogue n i have about 50-60g. the most ive ever had was about 120. trying to save up for lvl60 mount training seems like its gonna take ages for me. my plan was to just farm for Rugged Leather and make blue items as im a lw and sell them off in the AH. it will take ages but one day ill get 540g :P

But if that idea from Blizzard comes into play ill defo buy gold straight away rather than spend days on end farming for leather

Kiith

Personally, i think this is fake, and if not, then Blizzard are making a stupid (if even more profitable) mistake. I have always liked their hardline attitude to gold sellers (i realise they WoW still has loads, but there is over 8mllion people playing it). If they come along and say its ok, it will hurt their reputation i think.

Also, the whole point of an item being epic is that its difficult to get, requires time and effort. Whats epic about spending €20 to get a new sword. And no, i'm not someone who has tier8 epics, and i've never even been to MC, Naxx, or any instance over the first few in BC.

Buying stuff ingame for real money is wrong.

Mr. CooL ICE

I think it's a terrible idea. Sure, the epic birdie is expensive, but its pretty damn manageable to make enough gold to buy it. I reached 70 at the end of my quests in BEM with 980g and could buy my normal flying mount and my final priest spells. With the gold for XP system, I have earned almost 2500g alone from my time doing quests in netherstorm and shadowmoon valley, and haven't even finished them yet. I haven't spent much time with my professions (alch 375, herb 359) but when I have done them properly (still going for potion spec), a little herb farming while I eat my breakfast every morning will allow me to be self-sufficient with my pots and make more money from it.

I have a feeling that it would really drive the balance of the game nuts. People wouldn't bother working outside of raid times to build up money for repairs, etc, and people like blacksmiths, leatherworkers, etc, wouldn't bother gathering their own mats and just buy from the AH. Not only would the economy be up in a heap, but people wouldn't play the game in the same way any more.

Ever play a game of poker with infinite buy-ins? Rich people willing to part with a lot of money cos they constantly go all-in will wreck the game for the people there who don't.

Binomate

LordChessington wrote:

I think it's a terrible idea. Sure, the epic birdie is expensive, but its pretty damn manageable to make enough gold to buy it. I reached 70 at the end of my quests in BEM with 980g and could buy my normal flying mount and my final priest spells. With the gold for XP system, I have earned almost 2500g alone from my time doing quests in netherstorm and shadowmoon valley, and haven't even finished them yet. I haven't spent much time with my professions (alch 375, herb 359) but when I have done them properly (still going for potion spec), a little herb farming while I eat my breakfast every morning will allow me to be self-sufficient with my pots and make more money from it.

I have a feeling that it would really drive the balance of the game nuts. People wouldn't bother working outside of raid times to build up money for repairs, etc, and people like blacksmiths, leatherworkers, etc, wouldn't bother gathering their own mats and just buy from the AH. Not only would the economy be up in a heap, but people wouldn't play the game in the same way any more.

Ever play a game of poker with infinite buy-ins? Rich people willing to part with a lot of money cos they constantly go all-in will wreck the game for the people there who don't.

As a healing priest in a raiding guild, I try to farm herbs for pots so that I don't have to spend money on pots because I can't afford them. The extra cash I get from selling herbs that aren't used on pots goes to repair costs and enchants for new items. I used to sell the cloth I'd make from tailoring, but even killing the fire elementals is painfull for me and I just can't spend 4 hours a day every fourth day killing elementals for their primals. I can't kill stuff, it takes me half my mana pool to get one mob down, in the time it takes someone else to kill 4 mobs. How on earth am I ever meant to get my epic bird? The epic flying mount would offer me a sizable advantage for herbalism so i'd be able to pick more herbs and beat other players at picking them before me, so I can get more money to try and maintain my character with everything necessary for raiding.


I'm sorry, but for some people farming 5000g is not managable at all. If blizzard don't introduce some form of purchacable gold, they can't expect people not to buy from gold sellers. I've never actually bougt gold, but I'm giving it some serious consideration at the minute.

Since 20/01/2007, I've spent 1146g on repairs.

BKtje

I'm sorry, but for some people farming 5000g is not managable at all.

Epic birdy is supposed to be special. When epic mounts (normal) were out they were for a while a very specialist item which only the "elite" (read super rich) had. They were the exception to the norm (as epic birdy is atm).

Whole point of wow i thought was that it didnt matter if you were rich/poor in the real workd but that you had to put effort in in order to get anywhere.

Next patch will introduce a few new quest hubs so more questable gold coming

DapperGent

I got my epic mount from pure questing. If you're in a raiding guild you shouldn't have much trouble finding a DPS quest buddy you can burn through solo and group quests easy enough and you'd prob be looking at least 15g a quest going up to 20g+.

Binomate

B-K-DzR wrote:

Epic birdy is supposed to be special. When epic mounts (normal) were out they were for a while a very specialist item which only the "elite" (read super rich) had. They were the exception to the norm (as epic birdy is atm).

Whole point of wow i thought was that it didnt matter if you were rich/poor in the real workd but that you had to put effort in in order to get anywhere.

Next patch will introduce a few new quest hubs so more questable gold coming

Suposed to be, but it's not. They're not rare at all, meaning I'm get owned at herbalism, even though I probably need the herbs more than the people who are farming them faster than me on epic birdies.

DapperGent wrote:

I got my epic mount from pure questing. If you're in a raiding guild you shouldn't have much trouble finding a DPS quest buddy you can burn through solo and group quests easy enough and you'd prob be looking at least 15g a quest going up to 20g+.

I've very few quests left to do. Maybe another 9 or 10 tops in Shadowmoon valley and I'm done with the area quests.

Jim

Binomate wrote:

As a healing priest in a raiding guild, I try to farm herbs for pots so that I don't have to spend money on pots because I can't afford them. The extra cash I get from selling herbs that aren't used on pots goes to repair costs and enchants for new items. I used to sell the cloth I'd make from tailoring, but even killing the fire elementals is painfull for me and I just can't spend 4 hours a day every fourth day killing elementals for their primals. I can't kill stuff, it takes me half my mana pool to get one mob down, in the time it takes someone else to kill 4 mobs. How on earth am I ever meant to get my epic bird? The epic flying mount would offer me a sizable advantage for herbalism so i'd be able to pick more herbs and beat other players at picking them before me, so I can get more money to try and maintain my character with everything necessary for raiding.


I'm sorry, but for some people farming 5000g is not managable at all. If blizzard don't introduce some form of purchacable gold, they can't expect people not to buy from gold sellers. I've never actually bougt gold, but I'm giving it some serious consideration at the minute.

Since 20/01/2007, I've spent 1146g on repairs.

Count yourself lucky that Blizz are nerfing pots so you wont need to grind as much anymore. I do agree that certain people are at an unfair advantage when it comes to grinding etc (I'm a holy pally, while probably not as bad as a preist for killing stuff I hate questing/grinding in this spec). The best solution to this is to get another alt from 60 - 70 that you can spec how you wish. The money you get from questing is stupid, espically at 70. More than enough to make 5000 gold.

BKtje

i required my mains and my alts quest money to make it to 5k g however once i got there i decided to spend it on lvling tailoring and bsing on my two toons (i hate grinding ore/ cloth more than primals etc). Am now down to 2600g and the slow grind to 5k begins again. That said i'm not overly fussed about epic birdy (main reason i wanted it was to get ore easily but now thats no longer needed.. ).

I dunno about your server but on Xavius the majority of people still have slow-mo mounts.

cance

B-K-DzR wrote:

I dunno about your server but on Xavius the majority of people still have slow-mo mounts.

yeah but it only takes one bastard to clear the place out.

Jim

B-K-DzR wrote:

i required my mains and my alts quest money to make it to 5k g however once i got there i decided to spend it on lvling tailoring and bsing on my two toons (i hate grinding ore/ cloth more than primals etc). Am now down to 2600g and the slow grind to 5k begins again. That said i'm not overly fussed about epic birdy (main reason i wanted it was to get ore easily but now thats no longer needed.. ).

I dunno about your server but on Xavius the majority of people still have slow-mo mounts.

Same situation here. Spent all my money on JC designs /sigh

Buying up Elune and selling it at a 40g profit is ftw though.

Dcully

If blizz didnt make grinding rep or whatever so time consuming there wouldnt be a need or want for anyone to buy gold at all.
As a result this idea [if its true] would not be needed at all.

As has been pointed out ,there is nothing more soul destroying than grinding for good gear.
Some people dont have time to do 4-5 hour runs to Kara etc and grinding whatever time they have is the only option left to them.

Binomate

Jimeatsmenu wrote:

Count yourself lucky that Blizz are nerfing pots so you wont need to grind as much anymore. I do agree that certain people are at an unfair advantage when it comes to grinding etc (I'm a holy pally, while probably not as bad as a preist for killing stuff I hate questing/grinding in this spec). The best solution to this is to get another alt from 60 - 70 that you can spec how you wish. The money you get from questing is stupid, espically at 70. More than enough to make 5000 gold.

Believe me, you've got it just as bad as I do. Countless times I've seen our holy paladins frustrated to the point where they log off for a day because they were trying to farm. It's insane. Healers and tanks, the roles that are most essential in pve have to sacrafice the most, just so they can play their role to any effect. It sucks the sweat off a dead man's balls.

I've actually taken to this idea. I've been leveling up a hunter on the side, when ever I've got the time to burn off his rested exp. I figure by the time I've farmed 5000g with my priest, ill have leveled a hunter to 70 and have made 5000g at least.

cance

i have the same problem in my guild.

the gimped classes (holy pala's,priests, prot warr's, resto druids) all struggle heavily for cash for raids. repairs, reagents, pots, mats, new gems, its a gold sink for classes that dont have it in the first place.

but on the flip side they never have issues finding a raiding guild, so swings and round abouts really.

Jim

Dcully wrote:

If blizz didnt make grinding rep or whatever so time consuming there wouldnt be a need or want for anyone to buy gold at all.
As a result this idea [if its true] would not be needed at all.

As has been pointed out ,there is nothing more soul destroying than grinding for good gear.
Some people dont have time to do 4-5 hour runs to Kara etc and grinding whatever time they have is the only option left to them.

Actually I think Blizzard have been pretty good tailoring to "casuals" in the expansion.

BKtje

Indeed i'd have to agree. If you're a casual chances are you are not going to be in a hugely active raiding guild anyway. Heroics are a way for casual non heavily raiding people a chance to get some epic items without needing to spend months of your life getting there. ALso on the pvp front, you just pvp when you can and you'll get the points towards whatever item you wish. Sure you'll be slower than others but thats why they probably wouldnt be considered casuals.

Binomate

cance wrote:

i have the same problem in my guild.

the gimped classes (holy pala's,priests, prot warr's, resto druids) all struggle heavily for cash for raids. repairs, reagents, pots, mats, new gems, its a gold sink for classes that dont have it in the first place.

but on the flip side they never have issues finding a raiding guild, so swings and round abouts really.

I wish this were just a case of the grass is always greener on the other side, but I've been on both sides, and trust me the grass is much much greener for dps classes. I'd happily give up the annoying 5-10 messages I get an hour asking if I want to do normal blood furnace - heroic mana tombs to be able to farm stuff and fullfil my role as a healer when it comes to raiding.

nicryan

from what I've seen so far of TBC (I had given up till yesterday - and now I'm stuck firmly in wow again :P) blizz already have done a bit to limit the effect of gold sellers...there's quite a few things that are purchased through tokens and the like...which are BoP, so they can't be bought and you still have to put in the hours grinding.

and anyway, the easiest way to make money is in the AH - With the amount of money in TBC, I expect to be able to spalsh out the 5k within days of reaching 70...


Nic
aka Monkair, troll mage, laughing skull EU

cance

nicryan wrote:

aka Monkair, troll mage, laughing skull EU

Another LS eu player

earindur (The Brothers GrIM) alliance

If im not in Kara, im in Halaa. See ya soon :P

Br4tPr1nc3

am friends with a guy who used to be a gm....
say this is all bollox....that its more than likely not true.

Dcully

Indeed i'd have to agree. If you're a casual chances are you are not going to be in a hugely active raiding guild anyway. Heroics are a way for casual non heavily raiding people a chance to get some epic items without needing to spend months of your life getting there. ALso on the pvp front, you just pvp when you can and you'll get the points towards whatever item you wish. Sure you'll be slower than others but thats why they probably wouldnt be considered casuals.

Fair points indeed.

NirdleBug

Additionally, new goblin NPCs have shown up in several goblin cities.

Anyone seen these NPCs yet? I'm looking around atm but don't see anyone unusual.

I like this idea. I don't do much raiding and I feel a bit left out when it comes to the gear. At least with this I can buy gear that that is, like the article says, comparable to what you would get from raiding.
And of course I can get the all important epic birdie.

carpenoctem

If it's true... it's not a bad idea but then they should have separate servers where it's allowed to buy gold/items and open free migration to them. That way everyone who don't wanna spend money on items and gold have the fair choice of this on servers where the economy reflects this fact.