How to install a HKC window slimline sensor

altor

tangoman wrote: »

expander is not metal same as main panel there is a spring on main panel which i tried but cant see anything on expander panel

No metal housing, where did you get it, where have you got it installed ? Have you tried testing any of the zones on the expander to see if they work ?

tangoman

altor wrote: »

No metal housing, where did you get it, where have you got it installed ? Have you tried testing any of the zones on the expander to see if they work ?

when you mean housing do you mean the box the panel is fitted in this is metal and there is a tamper spring on main panel but cant see one on expander panel

tangoman

altor wrote: »

No metal housing, where did you get it, where have you got it installed ? Have you tried testing any of the zones on the expander to see if they work ?

i have it installed under stairs and i have not tested anything yet just doing what you said and trying to add devices

altor

tangoman wrote: »

when you mean housing do you mean the box the panel is fitted in this is metal and there is a tamper spring on main panel but cant see one on expander panel

No, it has its own metal housing. I will post a picture later. Is there a blue tamper switch on the expander ?

tangoman

altor wrote: »

No, it has its own metal housing. I will post a picture later. Is there a blue tamper switch on the expander ?

no it is just a printed circuit and clips on to 4 pins on box

i sent you a photo of the panels before

sent 8 aug photo 13 of expander panel

altor

tangoman wrote: »

no it is just a printed circuit and clips on to 4 pins on box

i sent you a photo of the panels before

Is it a 4 zone expander ?

tangoman

altor wrote: »

Is it a 4 zone expander ?

no it is 8 and main board 8 16 all together

altor

tangoman wrote: »

no it is 8 and main board 8 16 all together

Can you post a picture, I cant find the one you posted.
Thanks.

tangoman

altor wrote: »

Can you post a picture, I cant find the one you posted.
Thanks.

page5 6 aug photo 13

altor

tangoman wrote: »

page5 6 aug photo 13

Here is the blue tamper spring you press to ID the expander on the system.

altor

Here is the point ID module. I would install theses in the panel.

altor

Should be NC not NO

altor

Like this.

tangoman

altor wrote: »

Here is the point ID module. I would install theses in the panel.

at the moment my alarms are wired nc and c do i change them now to normally open.Do I still feed them with 12v and seperate 12v for point sensor.have four wires off alarm two for 12v and nc and c have linked out 12v tofeed both alarms

have added expander thanks but same problem with rkp where is the tamper to close for this

altor

tangoman wrote: »

at the moment my alarms are wired nc and c do i change them now to normally open.

No, that was my mistake in the diagram. I have fixed it in the new one

tangoman wrote: »

Do I still feed them with 12v and seperate 12v for point sensor.have four wires off alarm two for 12v and nc and c have linked out 12v tofeed both alarms

Yes you do need to power the devices. If you install the module in the panel it will mean just connecting the 12v off the board.

altor

tangoman wrote: »

problem with rkp where is the tamper to close for this

When you open the keypad the spring is inside it.

altor

If you have a tamper on the expander you will need to go into the devices menu, expander options menu, expander 1. You can turn off the tamper in here as the expander is inside your main panel.

tangoman

altor wrote: »

If you have a tamper on the expander you will need to go into the devices menu, expander options menu, expander 1. You can turn off the tamper in here as the expander is inside your main panel.

i think i have all that done now added rkp and went to expander options and selected tamper no so i think the pir rkp and expander are added what next

what about the panic buttons have them as dual end line do i have to add these alsoto devices

altor

tangoman wrote: »

i think i have all that done now added rkp and went to expander options and selected tamper no so i think the pir rkp and expander are added what next

Thats good, walk test all the zones. Go into service menu, walk test menu. Do the zones first, then the points.

Nearly finished

altor

tangoman wrote: »

what about the panic buttons have them as dual end line do i have to add these alsoto devices

No, these go on there own zone or connect them as the diagram. You need to change the zone types of these zones. Zone 1 is always entry/exit, the rest are set as alarm. If you install a panic on a zone, change the zone type to panic.

tangoman

altor wrote: »

No, these go on there own zone or connect them as the diagram. You need to change the zone types of these zones. Zone 1 is always entry/exit, the rest are set as alarm. If you install a panic on a zone, change the zone type to panic.

i have them on their own zone wired as diagram.done walk test think i have a problem on onme of kitchen windows zone9 here is result


zone 1 front door contact only tam t=ok
zone2 front living room window 2 sensors dual end of line ok t=ok
zone 3 hall window 1 sensor single end of line ditto
zone 4 back door 1 sensor single end of line ditto
zone 5 pir ditto
zone6 panic button bedroom tam t=ok
zone7 panic button hall ok t=ok
zone8 spare
zone9 kitchen window 2 sensors dual end of line exp1 input 1 open
zone10 kitchen window 2 sensors dual end of line exp1 input2 tam=ok
zone11 bedroom1 single end of line exp1 ok t=ok
zone12 bedroom2 ditto
zone13 bedroom3 ditto
zone14 en suite ditto
zone15 landing ditto
zone16 bathroom ditto

altor

Well done, it is telling you the zone is open. Check the arrow on the sensor head is pointing up plus check the magnet is close enough to the device.

Leave that zone on walk test when your fixing the problem.

tangoman

altor wrote: »

Well done, it is telling you the zone is open. Check the arrow on the sensor head is pointing up plus check the magnet is close enough to the device.

Leave that zone on walk test when your fixing the problem.

ok willdo and what next if i fix that or should i not do anymore until i get the point sensors and digi dialler tomorrow

altor

tangoman wrote: »

ok willdo and what next if i fix that or should i not do anymore until i get the point sensors and digi dialler tomorrow

Once you fix that the alarm will be ready to use, you can add the other devices when ever suits you. Just make sure you get point ID modules.

tangoman

altor wrote: »

Once you fix that the alarm will be ready to use, you can add the other devices when ever suits you. Just make sure you get point ID modules.

i have opened the second kitchen window but it does not show up as open on rkp but says tam t=ok

which easiest way of checking these windows without disconnecting them they have two openings with sensor on each wired as for dual end of line.one has two resistors in it.how can i check magnet closeenough without disconnecting

arrows are up and magnets set ok

altor

tangoman wrote: »

i have opened the second kitchen window but it does not show up as open on rkp but says tam t=ok

which easiest way of checking these windows without disconnecting them they have two openings with sensor on each wired as for dual end of line.one has two resistors in it.how can i check magnet closeenough without disconnecting

arrows are up and magnets set ok

It is not wired correctly.

Check the wiring is the same as the diagram.

tangoman

altor wrote: »

It is not wired correctly.

Check the wiring is the same as the diagram.

found it broken wire in junction box thanks enough for today will get point sensors and dialler tomorrow

thanks

you told me before that i could connect the smoke alarms into zones 5678 or in with pir but if you think modules are better will get

altor

tangoman wrote: »

found it broken wire in junction box thanks enough for today will get point sensors and dialler tomorrow

thanks

Your welcome, always happy to help

tangoman wrote: »

you told me before that i could connect the smoke alarms into zones 5678 or in with pir but if you think modules are better will get

Correct but you will need the ID modules to do it this way. They are all given a point on the zone. P.50-P.59. 10 MAX.

Zones and points are different. Point are better as you can control each device. If you had a zone with a number of devices on on it you are stuck to that zone type. With the point ID you can have different types on the same loop.

tangoman

altor wrote: »

Your welcome, always happy to help



Correct but you will need the ID modules to do it this way. They are all given a point on the zone. P.50-P.59. 10 MAX.

Zones and points are different. Point are better as you can control each device. If you had a zone with a number of devices on on it you are stuck to that zone type. With the point ID you can have different types on the same loop.

regarding digi dialler SW-DMTC this only does text what you think about fitting a voice dialler seperate was on to suppliers they said the SW-DMTC is 80 euros and voice 140 euros willgo with your decission

altor

tangoman wrote: »

regarding digi dialler SW-DMTC this only does text what you think about fitting a voice dialler seperate was on to suppliers they said the SW-DMTC is 80 euros and voice 140 euros willgo with your decission

With the text dialer you will know what zone has activated plus you will get another text if someone walks in front of a pir. You will be sure someone is in the house then.

The voice will just play a recorded message that the alarm has activated.

Do you know the make of voice dialer ?