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Car clocking

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    #32
    drdre
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,245 ✭✭✭drdre


    Its a 2000 polo, with around 45k on it.3 owners.I know it might be right but im just confirming that its not clocked.I have no problems with the car it looks clean, and not abused.


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    #33
    Altreab
    Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Altreab


    drdre wrote:
    Its a 2000 polo, with around 45k on it.3 owners.I know it might be right but im just confirming that its not clocked.I have no problems with the car it looks clean, and not abused.

    Why not try and contact the previous owners for details on milage crash history ect?


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    #34
    drdre
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,245 ✭✭✭drdre


    Altreab wrote:
    Why not try and contact the previous owners for details on milage crash history ect?

    How can you get contact details of previous owner.


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    #35
    Darragh29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭Darragh29


    maidhc wrote:
    Most independent mechanics worth their salt make a record of the jobs they do.

    Rerra. Why do people think you have to go to a main dealer to get a job done right FFS???


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    #36
    SouperComputer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭SouperComputer


    kbannon wrote:
    I believe that Mr.Diagnostic on here may be able to help!

    QFT, im sure he or somebdy he know could check the mileage recorded in the ECU for a nominal fee.


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    #37
    gyppo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭gyppo


    Dont the NCT log the cars odometer when doing a test? Therefore, assuming the car is around 6 years old, it should have done 2 NCT's. Are there any NCT reports included with the car, OP? It might give you some indication of mileage history.

    Whether or not the NCT crowd would issue this information to a third party is questionable though - probably not.


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    #38
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,715 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    gyppo wrote:
    Whether or not the NCT crowd would issue this information to a third party is questionable though - probably not.
    The NCTS cannot give out this info under data protection laws apparently - even if they spot an clocking case during a test!


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    #39
    Owen
    Registered Users Posts: 12,683 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    drdre wrote:
    Alright thanks, what garage do you work in.

    Jaysus. Couldn't be telling you that! ;)


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    #40
    blastman
    Registered Users Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭blastman


    kbannon wrote:
    The NCTS cannot give out this info under data protection laws apparently - even if they spot an clocking case during a test!
    Can't you ask to see previous NCT certs? The mileage is recorded on them.


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    #41
    gyppo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭gyppo


    kbannon wrote:
    The NCTS cannot give out this info under data protection laws apparently - even if they spot an clocking case during a test!

    Yeah, I had a feeling that data protection legislation would put a stop to that.

    Afaik, under the uk mot system, the cars odometer reading at mot time is entered into the national mileage register, to which hpi.com have access to. Its by no means foolproof, but its a pity such a system doesnt exist here.


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    #42
    Alun
    Registered Users Posts: 21,464 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    In the Netherlands not only do the mileages at which their NCT equivalent, the APK, is done get entered into a central database, but also all garages that are members of BOVAG, their equivalent of the SIMI, record mileage whenever any work is done on a car and this too is centrally recorded.

    If the Dutch can do this and not feel they're impinging on anybody's "rights", then so can we. Data protection my @rse.


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    #43
    Sandwich
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Sandwich


    You never can tell for certain but I always make the assumption :

    "No log book" = "car is clocked"

    You might be unlucky and be passing a bargain (if the price is low do you think its just because they like you?) but its far more likely you're leaving a con behind. Not that the log book is a cast iron guarantee either, but there are plenty out there with proper service histories, so why bother taking the risk?


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    #44
    maidhc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,660 ✭✭✭maidhc


    kbannon wrote:
    The NCTS cannot give out this info under data protection laws apparently - even if they spot an clocking case during a test!

    My understanding is that if you provide them with the VIN, they will give you the mileage details.

    I really don't think the DP Acts stretch as far as including the mileage at which your car was NCTed within the definition of the "personal information" which it seeks to protect.


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    #45
    oleras
    Registered Users Posts: 2,723 ✭✭✭oleras


    Sandwich wrote:

    "No log book" = "car is clocked"

    Huh ? ? Service history maybe ? ? :confused:


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    #46
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    No log book = Car is nicked


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    #47
    drdre
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,245 ✭✭✭drdre


    Bond-007 wrote:
    No log book = Car is nicked

    heheh thats a good one.
    Guys i was talking to the owner of the car and he said he serviced the car himself.Is service history a big issue when im selling it.i can just buy a service book online and then get it serviced from a proper vw dealer and get it stamped.i think its still as good as service history as its got nct and then it will have a proper vw service with a stamp.what do you guys think


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    #48
    JHMEG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭JHMEG


    If the car is clean and tidy, with no signs of wear for its mileage then go for it.

    VW do use fairly high quality materials for the interior so wear on the driver's seat, gear knob, steering wheel etc won't necessarily show. A mate recently sold a Polo with 107k miles on the clock, and the interior was in excellent condition... almost like new.

    There are a couple of things you can check if the mileage is apparently very low:
    1. Are any of the factory fit tyres still on it? Do your research. Many factory fit tyres will last 60k on the back wheels.
    2. Check the "lip" on the brake discs. If there is a pronounced lip the mileage may be high. Tho this is a bit of an art form in itself.
    3. Check for things that typically wear out after a given mileage. Some VWs need front suspension bushes/wishbones quite early on. Clunking or knocking in the front suspension are typical symptoms. Again, research.

    And finally ask the seller did he/she keep records of services, when they were done, what was done, and at what mileage. I always do... it's not that hard. And if the seller seems genuine, he/she probably is. If there is some tall and complicated story, then think twice.


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    #49
    ctc_celtic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭ctc_celtic


    if it doesn't have a history, i wouldn't worry about it, get a mechanic to look and if he's happy then buy it.
    assuming you keep the car for 2 years, it will be 9 years old when you sell it, and then condition will be more important than service history.
    just keep every receipt you get while you have the car, and that will be a bonus when you sell it.


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    #50
    Henry Ford III
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,711 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    drdre wrote:
    heheh thats a good one.
    Guys i was talking to the owner of the car and he said he serviced the car himself.Is service history a big issue when im selling it.i can just buy a service book online and then get it serviced from a proper vw dealer and get it stamped.i think its still as good as service history as its got nct and then it will have a proper vw service with a stamp.what do you guys think

    He should still have receipts for stuff he bought. Service history, or other evidence of regular servicing is important.


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    #51
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,715 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I would agree - if they didn't bother keeping details of the car then they are either careless and I would presume they treat the car in the same way or else they are trying to hide something.


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