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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    Watched Yokosuka Vs Yamato and the 6 man from DGUSA mercury rising last night. Bloody hell. Even in my bleary eyed drunken haze I was blown away by both again. Yokosuka is fast becoming my favourite wrestler in the world.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    gimmick wrote: »
    Watched Yokosuka Vs Yamato and the 6 man from DGUSA mercury rising last night. Bloody hell. Even in my bleary eyed drunken haze I was blown away by both again. Yokosuka is fast becoming my favourite wrestler in the world.

    Yokosuka = Most underrated in the world.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭michael.etc...


    ^^^
    Agreed.
    Looking forward to the DGUSA show on friday immensely.

    Also juggling tna/best of the asylum years, and evolve 4 atm. Bobby Fish vs Danielson is a great contest- Fish's selling is unbelievable.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭Machismo Fan


    Also juggling tna/best of the asylum years,

    How're you finding this? I have it but I'm not going to watch it because I have all the weekly PPV's on my computer and I'm slowly making my way through all them and I want to limit the stuff I've already seen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭michael.etc...


    Some of the match choices are absurd to be honest, but it's really good stuff overall, and it's nice to see a few different faces. They should be doing more of this sort of release, as it really puts over the development of the company. I'll link the review when I'm done.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭Machismo Fan


    Some of the match choices are absurd to be honest, but it's really good stuff overall, and it's nice to see a few different faces. They should be doing more of this sort of release, as it really puts over the development of the company. I'll link the review when I'm done.

    There are times these days that you'd swear the Asylum years never happened the way they go on. Though some of the stuff on those old weekly PPV's was just horrible, much worse than the worst of the stuff they do these days. Just looking at the match listing though, the DVD looks strong and it's nice to see a fair bit of Monty Brown on Disc 2.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭michael.etc...


    There are times these days that you'd swear the Asylum years never happened the way they go on. Though some of the stuff on those old weekly PPV's was just horrible, much worse than the worst of the stuff they do these days. Just looking at the match listing though, the DVD looks strong and it's nice to see a fair bit of Monty Brown on Disc 2.

    Funny you say that... I'm up to Jeff Hardy/Monty Brown... horrible match!
    It's a must for AJ fans, I have to say.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭Machismo Fan


    Funny you say that... I'm up to Jeff Hardy/Monty Brown... horrible match!
    It's a must for AJ fans, I have to say.

    Sure most Monty Brown matches weren't great but for some reason I still love him. AJ dominated that era so much across all divisions that's it's practically impossible for TNA to release a set of this kind and not feature AJ's awesomeness in high quantities.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭Machismo Fan


    Just watched the first Triple X/AMW cage match and it was much better than I remembered - not as good as the Turning Point match but still an incredible match, just a small reminder of just how good AMW (and Triple X) were.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭Jolt2007


    Watched PWG Seven recently and it was the best event I've seen in a long time. You know it's something special when Bryan Danielson vs. Roderick Strong is one of the weakest matches on the card.

    Any other PWG dvds that are must see?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭chordtype


    Jolt2007 wrote: »
    Watched PWG Seven recently and it was the best event I've seen in a long time. You know it's something special when Bryan Danielson vs. Roderick Strong is one of the weakest matches on the card.

    Any other PWG dvds that are must see?

    Any of the Battle of Los Angeles shows are great. This years one had a few MOTY candidates.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    Very few PWG shows are poor. Their 5 year anniversary show and 100 are both excellent from more recent times.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    Jolt2007 wrote: »
    Watched PWG Seven recently and it was the best event I've seen in a long time. You know it's something special when Bryan Danielson vs. Roderick Strong is one of the weakest matches on the card.

    Any other PWG dvds that are must see?

    Any match the Young Bucks have had in PWG is pretty sensational.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    It may be trite and it may be cliched, but KENTA and Naomichi Marufujis most recent effort has again been a barnstormer. It was from a tribute show from 2 weeks ago for (I think) the old guy who used read the memorandum before title matches.

    It was not their best effort by any means, but every time they face each other, they do something new and innovative. There are a few highlights to this, but for me, and it is an odd one, the opening sequence blew me away.

    Watch.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    gimmick wrote: »
    It may be trite and it may be cliched, but KENTA and Naomichi Marufujis most recent effort has again been a barnstormer. It was from a tribute show from 2 weeks ago for (I think) the old guy who used read the memorandum before title matches.

    It was not their best effort by any means, but every time they face each other, they do something new and innovative. There are a few highlights to this, but for me, and it is an odd one, the opening sequence blew me away.

    Watch.

    The bauld Joe Higuchi, synonomyomous with pretty much all my puro viewing over the years either as a ref or readind the memorandum. Thanks for the tip off, can't wait to watch it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    Watched most of Glory By Honor 2010 this week. The stand out os the absolutely BRUTAL tag chain match with Colt & Generico Vs Steen & Corino. I am not usually one for such a trash match, but this was all sorts of awesome. Hardly surprsing given the competitors

    The Kings Of Wrestling Vs Worlds Greatest Tag Team was good as well, I would give it excellent apart from the finish.

    Also watched AJ Vs Daniels from Against All Odds 2005. Great macth there as well. The chemistry those 2 is just fantastic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,630 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Due to a combination of the buzz over a possible Sting return and some boredom I've decided to check out some early nineties WCW, and for no particular reason I've settled on 1993. My aim is to work through each WCW PPV from the year. Not sure if I've chosen a bad year or not but I'll see how it goes. First up was the WCW/New Japan Supershow from January 4th of that year. It took place in the Tokyo Dome. I'd never seen this event before (I've maybe seen 1 or 2 WCW PPVs from the early nineties) and here are my thoughts on the event...

    Match 1 - Jushin Thunder Liger vs Ultimate Dragon (IWGP Junior Heavyweight Title)

    Eric Bischoff introduced the action and Schiavone and J.R. were on commentary.

    'Ultimate Dragon' was Ultimo Dragon. Lots of mat wrestling in this one early on. The timing was off from both guys at times when it got quicker. Dragon hit a great cross body on Liger on the outside. Dragon had a bad botch though where he hit Liger with a tombstone piledriver and then went up top to hit a move only for his foot to slip on the top rope and for him to fall comically. It got better after that but there was another bad spot where Liger went for a clothesline off the top and hit Dragon whose foot lightly glanced Liger - who then proceeded to sell it like he'd been badly hit. This didn't look good. The commentators said fans had been waiting for this for 3 years. Uh oh. Things got better near the end and Liger won with the frankensteiner.

    Verdict: On paper this should have been a classic but the chemistry just wasn't there on the night. Some sloppy moments make this a disappointment. Schiavone called it one of the best Junior Heavyweight Title matches you're ever gonna want to see. Bullsh*t my friend!

    Match 2 - Ron Simmons vs Tony Halme

    Simmons had lost his WCW title to Vader only days before I think. I didn't recognise Halme at first but upon looking him up it was actually the guy who later was WWF's Ludvig Borga. This was not a very long match. It wasn't that bad overall but it did have a quite abrupt finish with Simmons winning with the spinebuster.

    Verdict: Decent for what it was.

    Match 3 - Dustin Rhodes & Scott Norton vs Shinya Hashimoto & Masa Saito

    This was a lot better than today's tag team wrestling (well on WWE anyway) but there were a few clumsy spots here and there. The fans seemed into it and it had its moments. Rhodes was pinned by Hashimoto after a spinning kick.

    Verdict: OK match. Not great.

    Match 4 - Masahiro Chono vs The Great Muta (NWA Heavyweight Title)

    Chono entered first despite being the champion. It was suggested this was to accommodate Muta's entrance. He came out in a very cool outfit. Muta won the NWA World Title in a very nice match. Both of these guys could work well. There was a lot of mat wrestling in the early stages. There was then some fighting on the ramp and near the end there were a lot of big moves being hit. Chono kicked out of Muta's first moonsault but he hit it a second time to get the victory.

    Verdict: Good match. The best on the show.

    Match 5 - Takayuki Iizuka, Akira Nogami and El Samurai vs Nobukazu Hirai, Masao Orihara and Koki Kitahara

    Bischoff called this match by himself as he said Ross and Schiavone were heading to a sushi bar! Huh?!

    I've never heard of any of these guys and I don't think Bischoff had either. Bischoff had no real desire to get the match over. At one stage a guy was being double teamed but Bischoff was busy thanking the audio guys and production staff for putting the event together. The match was OK but had something I dislike in matches - which tends to happen a lot on the indy scene - where a guy takes several huge moves and then kicks out. There was a bad example of that here. One guy actually took a spike piledriver, followed by a superplex, followed by a spike tombstone piledriver and then - yes there was more - he then took a diving headbutt and...yes he kicked out at two. I mean, come on! Bischoff on commentary didn't acknowledge this as a big deal or anything either. People talk about psychology and to me this is a good example because it's not making the contest believable or creating interest.

    The finish was weird because it looked like Hirai (Wiki says it was Orihara but Bischoff said it was Hirai. Maybe believe Wikipedia) was legitimately knocked out and there was a bit of confusion as to what to do. They ended up doing a big mass brawl and then he was just pinned.

    Verdict: Technically speaking the match was fine. From a storytelling POV it was a mess and Bischoff did it no favours.

    Match 6 - Main Event: Sting vs Hiroshi Hase

    J.R. and Schiavone were back on commentary. No mention of sushi bars but hopefully they had a nice meal. I spoiled the result of this one for myself by looking up the participants from the last match. D'oh. I was still eager to see the Stinger in action however.

    Sting got a great reaction from the Japanese crowd. I don't think I've seen Hase wrestle before. The match was good I felt. It perhaps became a bit flat near the finish. It's odd when the fans are so quiet as you're not sure if the wrestlers could be doing better. The fans weren't as into this as some of the other matches but that last one could have tired them out. Technically speaking it was fine and both men could go. Sting had this weird spot where he ran towards the turnbuckle and jumped for the second rope and then sprung off it backwards in a sort of star motion and he clattered into Hase. I wondered if it was a botch but it didn't look like it on replays. Sting got the win with a splash off the top rope on Hase.

    Verdict: Good match. One of the better ones on the card.

    Overall show verdict: It's tough to recommend this PPV in all honesty. On the plus side there were clean finishes to all the matches. Normally I tend to be wary of these US/Japanese shows because I always expect BS finishes like count-outs and other such ways to help wrestlers save face, but here there wasn't any of that. There was good action in places too. On the downside, I expected better from some of the matches and there was a lack of chemistry in several. The opener was particularly disappointing in that regard.

    The best match in my view was Muta winning the title but I'm sure that in itself is available on Youtube to watch. Only seek out the others if you are a fan of one of the wrestlers involved. I guess at the time it delivered since there were title changes and notable moments but looking back this PPV is not a classic by any means.

    I think the next WCW event from 1993 is SuperBrawl III so I hope to check that out at some stage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    Mixed bag today to say the least. I usually have kickboxing for 3 hours tonight, but as I have a sprained toe on each foot, I have had to sit tonight out. so, I said I would catch some wrasslin', or more specifically, some Japanese Wrasslin'

    First I watched Stan Hansen Vs Kenta Kobashi from the early 90s (91 I think). As expected, a harsh and brutal war between two guys at opposite ends of their careers. Nothing amazing, but a good look at what both men are capable of.

    After that I was Mochisuki Vs Yokosuka, then BxB Hulk & Naruki Doi Vs Shingo and Yamato. I saw both these live at the latest Broxbourne tour, and while both were excellent, I still feel folk are over rating the former. Now, It was a great match, and it is quite apparent they could wrestle blindfolded, but it was not as good as other matches these guys have had. As for the tag match - it was DG tag perfection. Relentless pace from the off, a good sense of psychology, which is unusual in such matches, and some tasty spots made this one of the best matches I have seen live, and the 25 minutes of it earlier just flew. 4.5 stars from me.

    Finally I watched KENTA Vs Yoshihiro Takayama. The description I was given of this was "ow", and boy does it live up to that. They kick the living crap out of each other from the 11/12 minutes of it, and the interaction is odd as it is essentially a junior Vs a heavyweight. Maybe if it got another 5/6 minutes I would have put this in the matches of the year thread, but being relatively short it could not really pass the 3 star mark for me.

    All in all a good evening.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    Final Countdown Tour : Boston - Brian Danielson Vs Davey Richards. At about 40 minutes, I thought this would drag slightly, but oh boy it does not. A fantastic outing from two of the best guys in wrestling. Only drawback is the commentary is turned up a bit too loud which drowns out the fairly lively crowd.

    NJPW tag titles Apollo55 Vs Kenny Omega & Kota Ibushi. As I said in the matches of the year that, a humdinger. Get this match seen. A fantastic tag match.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,630 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    SuperBrawl III

    Continuing my review of WCW PPVs from 1993 I just got through the second show, SuperBrawl III, which was held on February 21st of that year in Asheville, North Carolina.

    Jesse Ventura and Tony Schiavone were on commentary. I wonder if J.R. was gone from the company at this point. He was at Wrestlemania IX a few weeks after this so he might have been. Bischoff was working as an interviewer.

    Hollywood Blonds vs Erik Watts and Marcus Bagwell

    Watts was the son of WCW booker Bill Watts and often faced accusations of benefitting via nepotism. Unsurprisingly he was hated by this crowd. Lots of boos when he was in there and 'Erik sucks' chants. It was hilarious at one point because Ventura asked Schiavone why the fans were booing him and I kid you not Schiavone says 'are you sure that's boo or is it woo?' :D Couldn't make it up. This was a great tag match to start things off which the Blonds won.

    Verdict: Great opener. Pillman and Austin don't disappoint do they?

    Too Cold Scorpio vs Chris Benoit

    I have difficulty watching Benoit's matches now tbh. I did try to watch this but I quit.

    Verdict: N/A

    British Bulldog vs Bill Irwin

    This was Bulldog's first WCW outing I think. It was kept short which was good as the two had little chemistry. Bulldog wins.

    Verdict: Basically a squash

    Cactus Jack vs Paul Orndorff - Falls Count Anywhere

    Your typical Cactus Jack match with lots of crazy bumps. I enjoyed it. One cool spot in particular was Orndorff suplexing Cactus on the steel rail which looked awesome. The story was Orndorff working the leg and he hit it with some chair shots, but Cactus managed to nail him with a shovel for the pin.

    Verdict: Great match.

    The Heavenly Bodies vs Rock 'n' Roll Express

    The R N R got a great reaction. Cornette was out with the Bodies. This was a terrific tag team match and is what tag wrestling should be all about. Great storytelling, and some entertaining moments involving Cornette. Ricky Morton really was a star.

    Verdict: Super tag match.

    Maxx Payne vs Dustin Rhodes (US Title)

    We know Rhodes is a good worker and Payne was not bad either so they had a decent match. Payne had played the national anthem on his guitar at the start of the show incidentally despite being a heel. The finish was lame with Payne in an abdominal stretch dragging the ref into Rhodes to break it up forcing the DQ. They brawled some more afterwards.

    Verdict: Not bad but nothing special.

    Barry Windham vs The Great Muta (NWA World Title)

    Flair came out before the match - Woo! The fans were crazy for him as you'd expect in North Carolina. He gave a promo before the match and stayed for commentary. Windham was sporting some bad facial hair. As the ref did the pre-match rundown, 'I want a good clean fight etc.', the fans chanted 'we want Flair'. As you'd expect with a match involving these two and Flair on commentary it was a good match. Windham won the title and the fans popped big for it despite Windham wrestling the match as a heel. Afterwards Flair put the gold on Windham who didn't seem too keen on that.

    Verdict: Good match

    Vader vs Sting (Leather Strap Match)

    Vader was the World Champ but the title was not on the line. The story was this was a non-sanctioned match. All through the night they kept playing these very weird skits hyping the match that looked like outtakes from a bad sci-fi channel movie.

    Anyways this was a great, great match. I normally hate this style of match but it was really enjoyable here. I think the fact the fans were so into it helped. Sting was hugely over and I love the chemistry of these two. There were some great moments. The finish was Vader winning controversially because they said the opponent had to be dragged to all four sides but it appeared he never dragged Sting to the fourth corner.

    Verdict: Another super match.


    Overall show verdict: This was a fantastic PPV. A lot better than the previous one I reviewed. Just looking at the card now you can see there were some major stars on show, the majority of whom were very talented workers. There were several great matches and the ones that weren't were kept short and weren't what you'd call stinkers. This event comes highly recommended.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,630 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    WCW Slamboree: A Legends Reunion

    As I continue through my look back at WCW PPVs from 1993 next up was Slamboree which was billed as a legends reunion show. Legends of wrestling from the past participated in some matches and the first men were inducted into the WCW Hall of Fame. The event took place on May 23rd in The Omni, Atlanta, Georgia.

    The show begins with a Legends reunion. Forty legends were in the ring. Guys like Bockwinkel, Dory Funk Jr, Lou Thesz and more. Larry Zybysko was there with Schiavone on commentary because Ventura was apparently in hospital for some reason.

    Max Payne again opened the show on guitar and loads of oily, muscular dudes in speedo tight trunks came down carrying a throne. Moolah was inside and not Pat Paterson as I had thought. I'm not sure if she was featured on the show again though. I can't recall anything. The first match featured Benoit in action so I gave that a miss but here's my thoughts on the other matches on the card...

    Van Hammer vs Sid Vicious

    Colonel Rob Parker, who looked like Colonel Homer, came down to reveal the opponent was Sid who got a great pop. Sid got the win in less than a minute and it was smart to keep this short.

    Verdict: Alright for what it was.

    Bishoff interviewed legends Red Bastien and Bugsy McGraw and Bugsy cut a very funny promo on Bischoff who was wearing too much make-up, baby!

    Dick Murdoch, Don Muraco, Superfly Jimmy Snuka vs Wahoo McDaniel, Blackjack Mulligan, Jumping Jim Brunzell

    This was the first of three legends matches on the show. Does Brunzell really qualify as a legend? Anyway, interestingly enough Wahoo got the biggest pop. Snuka looked in very good shape as did Brunzell. The match was what you'd expect with guys who were as old as they were. Not great, but the crowd were respectful and there were some nice moments like Murdoch doing a flying headscissors which the crowd loved. The finish was crappy though - a DQ brought about by all men brawling. I guess maybe they didn't want any of them to do the job. :pac:

    Verdict: Not great. So-so.

    Missy Hyatt was interviewing an Assasin and Mad Dog Vachon. That was...something. Assassin challenged Dusty to a match.

    Ivan Koloff & Baron von Raschke vs Thunderbolt Patterson & Bullet Bob Armstrong

    Patterson got a fecking huge pop. I'm talking HUGE. Patterson said Armstrong couldn't be there as he had a knee operation. Brad Armstrong came down to take his father's place although I don't think he mentioned they were related. Patterson's style was similar to Dusty Rhodes. Very charismatic. Patterson got the win.

    Verdict: Short and OK.

    Ric Flair next who said he'd reunite the Four Horsemen. I doubt that for some reason. Well Ole actually was there for this one which was odd to see but it was Blanchard that wasn't and so the replacement was Paul Roma. The fans shat all over him being there and his presence made this segment a fail.

    Verdict: Fail!

    Dory Funk Jnr vs Nick Bockwinkel

    This was the third of the legends matches and was quite sad to see. Both men were past their prime and quite slow in the ring. Johnny Valentine was on commentary and wasn't very good but the years had passed them all by at this point. In another protective finish, it ended in a time-limit draw but the fans actually gave them both a nice round of applause which was nice to see.

    Verdict: Tough to watch. I looked it up and Bockwinkel was 59 here! I guess you can't expect much.

    Bischoff next interviewed Lou Thesz and was very respectful to him. Bischoff was quite likeable in this period imo.

    Rick Rude and Paul Orndorff vs Dustin Rhodes and Kensuki Sasaki

    Rude won with the Rude Awakening on Sasaki. Pretty good match. The crowd were into it in a big way. The best bits were when Rhodes and Rude were in there.

    Verdict: Good

    Hall of Fame segment

    Gordon Solie inducted the first men into the WCW Hall of Fame. He looked quite nervous. Thesz was the first man inducted. Next in was Verne Gagne. After that Mr Wrestling II (who got a huge reaction) and the last inductee was a posthumous one for Eddie Graham whose son accepted it on his behalf.

    Verdict: This was a well done segment.

    Sting vs The Prisoner

    Sting got a fantastic reception. The Prisoner was WWF's Nailz who a year earlier had been in a feud with Boss Man in WWF with a prisoner gimmick. It was funny because as he came to the ring without an entrance theme the fans could be heard chanting what sounded like 'Boss Man'. The match was not great but was kept mercifully short. Sting won with a clothesline off the top.

    Verdict: Avoid.

    Hollywood Blondes vs Shane Douglas and Ricky Steamboat (Tag Titles)

    Apparently it wasn't Douglas in the match but Tom Zenk as Douglas had been fired. This might explain why Steamboat and his partner were dressed up like the Conquistadores in this match. I enjoyed this a lot. It was a bit disconcerting with Steamboat and Douglas Zenk being masked though. Interesting prophetic comment from Zybysko on commentary: 'Austin has got the potential to definitely in the next century be up there to receive the legends awards if the body makes it that long'. This got great near the end with a brilliant spot involving Steamboat doing a cross body on Pillman and Austin off the top but only getting a 2 count. Austin pinned Zenk with the Stun Gun finisher and the Blondes keep the titles.

    Verdict: Great match

    Bischoff was there interviewing Dusty Rhodes, Stu Hart and Mr Wrestling II. Dusty responded to the Assasin's challenge and said his 'my big ass is standing out here!' Stu wished his son-in-law Davey Boy luck in his World Title match with Vader later.

    Arn Anderson vs Barry Windham (NWA World Title)

    The story of this match was simple and established in the first minute with Arn going for quick covers and looking very anxious as he tried to win the title. Throughout the contest Arn seemed just a little bit too eager. At one point Windham juiced and bled pretty heavily. The finish came with Arn tossing the ref aside - in his haste to beat on Windham - and as he realised his mistake and tried to revive the ref, Windham nailed him with the belt and got the 1-2-3 to escape with the gold.

    Verdict: Such a simple story told fantastically well. Watching guys like this you see and appreciate how they understood the little nuances of how to get fans involved, which many workers these days just aren't able to do. Great match.

    Davey Boy Smith vs Big Van Vader (WCW Title)

    Again told a simple story which was that the Bulldog could deal with Vader's power and was not afraid of it. Bulldog hit some good moves such as the delayed suplex on Vader. The fans were into him in a big way I thought. The finish was quite crappy though with Race interfering and Vader using a chair to get himself disqualified. Some babyfaces came down and Vader beat them up until Sting came down to make the save and send Vader running.

    Verdict: Good match with a lame ending.

    Overall show verdict: I watched this show in two sittings. The first time I got as far as the Sting/Prisoner match and this was heading towards a thumbs down verdict. However the last few matches were entertaining and save this show from being rated a stinker. I did find the undercard quite disappointing and tough to sit through but the tag match and the Anderson/Windham match are worth checking out.

    I would rate this a thumbs in the middle show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭Charisteas


    Due to a combination of the buzz over a possible Sting return and some boredom I've decided to check out some early nineties WCW, and for no particular reason I've settled on 1993. My aim is to work through each WCW PPV from the year.

    I've got a similar deal going on myself.

    Call me crazy, but I decided to embark on a mission of watching every WCW Nitro and PPV from 1998. And because i'm only watching them for the first time in my life, it's almost like i'm watching three different products and following three different sets of storylines with this Nitro 1998 collection along with todays weekly dose of Raw and Impact.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,469 ✭✭✭✭GTR63


    Watched Wrestlemania IX last night easily the worst wrestling dvd I have it somehow manages to have Hbk & Takers worst mania matches vs Tatanka & Giant Gonzalez.It also has the worst ending to any Wrestlemania ever.I struggle to think of a worse finish to a wrestling ppv either.Mania X was much better with Bret vs Owen & Ramon vs Hbk(even if Hbk done practically everything in the Ladder match).


  • Registered Users Posts: 278 ✭✭leposean


    TLC III The Hardy Boys vs. The Dudley Boyz vs. Edge and Christian vs. Chris Benoit and Chris Jericho.

    Everyone has seen the first two TLC matches at Summerslam 00 and Mania 01 but this match was on Smackdown for the Tag Titles. Set up at the last minute (as far as the audience are concerned) no advertising or real build up. By far the best way to get a crowd going to come out a few minutes into the show and say by the way this is happening.

    The Benoit spot and to not ruin spoilers I'll just say commentary table. Amazing spots


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,013 ✭✭✭✭jaykhunter


    GTR63 wrote: »
    Watched Wrestlemania IX last night easily the worst wrestling dvd I have it somehow manages to have Hbk & Takers worst mania matches vs Tatanka & Giant Gonzalez.It also has the worst ending to any Wrestlemania ever.I struggle to think of a worse finish to a wrestling ppv either.Mania X was much better with Bret vs Owen & Ramon vs Hbk(even if Hbk done practically everything in the Ladder match).

    THANK YOU!

    Yeah Mania 9 is pretty crap. I hated the BS Hogan finish; it smacked of "I'm not putting over Bret, in fact I'm doing the opposite, we won't even have a match" :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Sirsok


    Watched survivor series 1999 just the other day, is crazy watchin it and seein how over some of the undercard is......the crowd knew every Godfather catchphrase , same as the Road Doggs! Cool seeing kurt Angles debut match, which recieved a boring chant from the crowd :eek:

    Chyna v Jericho was the suprise hit of the night i thought though, good solid bout, with some intense near finishes


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,469 ✭✭✭✭GTR63


    Sirsok wrote: »
    Watched survivor series 1999 just the other day, is crazy watchin it and seein how over some of the undercard is......the crowd knew every Godfather catchphrase , same as the Road Doggs! Cool seeing kurt Angles debut match, which recieved a boring chant from the crowd :eek:

    Chyna v Jericho was the suprise hit of the night i thought though, good solid bout, with some intense near finishes

    I remember that didn't chyna win with the Pepsi Plunge.Angle's match was a bit dull if I remember.Didn't he wrestle Shawn Stasiak(who I called sh*tstak for about 2 years before remembering his name).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Sirsok


    GTR63 wrote: »
    I remember that didn't chyna win with the Pepsi Plunge.Angle's match was a bit dull if I remember.Didn't he wrestle Shawn Stasiak(who I called sh*tstak for about 2 years before remembering his name).

    You are correct sir! on both accounts! pepsi plunge didnt come of great tough unfortunately, was cool to see the Walls of Jericho restored to its proper form as opposed to the boston crab style he uses recently!

    In regards to the WM 9 debate i find the event strangely endearing, tif not for the matches but Macho Man on commentary :) Steiners match at the event was decent, and ya cant beat the nostalgic feeling when ya see doink!

    WM 8 however i thought was a excellent PPV, i recently watched it with my cousin, its one of my favourite manias. Bret v Roddy and Savage v Flair in particular stood out for me


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    Just watched Manhatten Mayhem 4. What a show. Every match (apart from the Grizzly Redwood Bennet match) was at least 3.5 stars+

    3 brilliant tag matches, and 2 fantastic singles efforts between Davey Richards and Christopher Daniels and the main event of Eddie Edwards Vs Roderick Strong.

    See this event. Its awesome


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,013 ✭✭✭✭jaykhunter


    Watch PWG's Kurt Russell 2's Senshi vs Davey Richards; was good but kinda disappointed, was kinda hoping to mark out huge but it never really got out of 2nd gear.

    The legend's royal rumble was slow and .......slow....... and they only had one song they dubbed in (and muted the commentary) every time someone came out. A horribly generic song; might be the worst theme tune i've ever heard!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    Watched ROH Revoltion USA. Ok show at best, but serves its purpose of setting up bigger upcoming shows. It sets up maybe 4 matches for the future.

    I would not bother watching any of the matches again. The high point was WGTT Vs Kyle O Reilly & Adam Cole. The latter are a great little team. Need to start winning a match here and there though. WGTT need to turn heel.

    Gonna watch Revoltoion Canada either Sunday or next week. Hoping to get hold of SCOH before watching Best In The World. Hopefully someone will show us the way on a social network site.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,013 ✭✭✭✭jaykhunter


    Charisteas wrote: »
    Call me crazy, but I decided to embark on a mission of watching every WCW Nitro and PPV from 1998.

    How is this going? U should write up a quick review of each show when you're done, it'd be pretty cool to read about :) I've never seen those Nitros either


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭drayme


    jaykhunter wrote: »
    How is this going? U should write up a quick review of each show when you're done, it'd be pretty cool to read about :) I've never seen those Nitros either

    I am still working my way through a Death of WCW comp that covers 1998. Seriously how Hogan and Savage positioned themselves to deemphasise Bret & Flair politically in the Spring is Machiavellian.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,013 ✭✭✭✭jaykhunter


    drayme wrote: »
    I am still working my way through a Death of WCW comp that covers 1998. Seriously how Hogan and Savage positioned themselves to deemphasise Bret & Flair politically in the Spring is Machiavellian.

    have u written any reviews? :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    Finished ROH Revolotion : Canada yesterday.

    Underwhelming show all told really. Main event was very good, but not a rewatcher. Briscoes Vs WGTT was good as well, but I have forgotten how it ended already, so its fair to say it did not leave a mark on me.

    Not a bad show by any means, and is worth seeing, but it is far from "must see"

    Ill try watch SCOH next weekend, then Ill be onto Best In The World.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭Machismo Fan


    The Mysterio/Psychosis match that was on this weeks Vintage Collection (from Bash at the Beach 1996) was fantastic.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭Machismo Fan


    I'm watching the best of Nitro DVD and the Sting/DDP match on the third disc is probably one of the best I've ever seen from either guy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,116 ✭✭✭starviewadams


    Just watched Triple H vs Chris Jericho from Fully Loaded 2000,great match,completely forgot it existed!

    Triple H has never quite regained the form he had before he blew out his quad in 01,his run from late 99 til he got injured was phenomenal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,065 ✭✭✭✭eh i dunno


    Just watched Bret Hart V Jerry Lawlor Summerslam 93.....he must have had the king in the sharpshooter for 5/6 mins :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,888 ✭✭✭Charisteas


    Watched a really good documentary over the weekend called 'Inside Indie Wrestling' by the National Geographic channel.

    A 45 minute documentary focusing on Danny Inferno and Zima Ion (sp?) trying out for ROH and trying to impress Jim Cornette, and also focuses on a smaller indie promotion trying to financially survive from show to show.

    Highly recommend this, well worth taking 45 minutes out of your week to watch it (you'll have to know where to find it though).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,013 ✭✭✭✭jaykhunter


    Ah found it on youtube! Put away your tricorns and eyepatches!



    Part 2 & 3 are uploaded by the same guy :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    Have it found thanks to a good friend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭Cherry_Cola


    Balls! Spent the last hour and a half seizing this beauty from the high seas in 720p glory. Should be a good watch :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,391 ✭✭✭D2D


    Really enjoyed that, thanks for the heads up on it:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,630 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    WCW Beach Blast 1993

    It's been around 6 months since I did my last look back at WCW PPVs from 1993 so since I've some free time I figured I'd return to it. Next up for me is Beach Blast which took place at the Mississippi Coliseum on July 18th of that year.

    Bischoff introduces the show along with Missy Hyatt wearing some ricockulous shorts. Both were outdone however by Tony Schiavone who looked the spitting image of Martin Prince in that very old episode of The Simpsons where Bart teaches him to be cool in exchange for help with his grades. Baseball cap, shades, funky Hawaiian t-shirt - this was a fail made of win. Ventura was on commentary with him. On to the show...

    Johnny B. Badd vs Maxx Payne

    Badd was wrestling in a pink face mask due to some sort of angle. And Cody Rhodes thinks he has problems. This show should have been called Fashion Crimes. Match sucked and Badd won with one of the worst crossbodys ever.

    Verdict: A fail made of fail, sadly.

    Arn Anderson and Paul Roma vs The Hollywood Blondes (World Tag Titles)

    As I noted in my last review for Slamboree, Paul Roma had been announced as the newest member of the Horsemen much to the fan's annoyance. Clearly this was a match with just three wrestling greats. The Blondes were so charismatic and had these fans baying for their blood with their heel antics. I found myself thinking what a great match The Rockers vs The Blondes would have had around this time. The Blondes retained via cheating in a match that went very long.

    Verdict: Good in parts but plodded and stuttered a bit (when Roma was in there) and could have been shorter.

    Dustin Rhodes vs Ravishing Rick Rude (30 minute Iron man match for the US Title)

    This match was slow and dull with a lot of stalling and holds. Ventura remarked ten minutes in that neither man had looked to score a pin. Rude eventually scored the first pin with the Rude Awakening. Rhodes levelled it with 3 minutes remaining through a bulldog. The match ended in a tie. They did the deal where the babyface has the match won but the time expires. It wasn't a great match and the finish sucked.

    Verdict: Disappointing.

    Ric Flair vs Barry Windham (NWA Title)

    The match was enjoyable but quite short. Only around 10 minutes. Surely it would have been more logical to halve the time of the tag match and give this twice the time...Flair won by pinning Windham while he was in the figure four so Flair wins the World Title for the tenth time.

    Verdict: Good stuff.

    Vader and Sid Vicious vs Sting and The British Bulldog

    Not sure what the back story was for this one. Story of the match was the heels dominating with Smith and Sting playing the part of the plucky faces, which was easy as both were really over. Highlight of the match was Vader hitting a moonsault on Davey Boy but Sting broke up the pin. Shortly after that Bulldog got the roll-up and won the match for his team.

    Verdict: Good for what it was. Not exactly an epic man event.

    Overall show verdict: This was a pretty disappointing PPV. The roster was talented enough but none of the matches were must-see. There weren't too many stinkers, barring the opener, but the rest were average enough. The highlight of the show was Flair winning the World Title for the tenth time and if you're eager to see that I'd recommend just looking for the match and skipping the rest.

    Sadly I'll have to rain all over this Beach Blast with a thumbs down verdict.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,469 ✭✭✭✭GTR63


    Mr.Nice Guy you neglected to talk about the EPIC promo video they shot for Beach Blast 93. I'd advise you to look it up asap its so bad yet its easily one of the greatest things I ever saw.


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    I watched IYH 14 the other night. Got it on tagged classics a good while ago.

    It was worth it for the unveiling of the Honky tonk mans new protege




    How did they think this had any sort of chance of getting over.

    Catchy tune though :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,630 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    GTR63 wrote: »
    Mr.Nice Guy you neglected to talk about the EPIC promo video they shot for Beach Blast 93. I'd advise you to look it up asap its so bad yet its easily one of the greatest things I ever saw.

    Watched it there this evening. Wow the acting is so cheesy it reminded me of shows like the Power Rangers. As you say, so bad it was good.



    Managed to get round to watching the latest instalment in my look back at 1993 WCW PPVs and this time I was checking out...


    WCW Fall Brawl 1993: War Games

    This event came from the Astro Arena in Houston, Texas. A young Michael Buffer was on hand as ring announcer while Ventura and Schiavone were on commentary. Bischoff handled interviews. On to the matches...

    Lord Steven Regal vs Ricky Steamboat (WCW World Television Championship)

    This was a great match. I really enjoyed the mat wrestling of Regal, while Steamboat sold his ribs throughout which really helped the story of the match. Finish came with Regal's manager 'Sir William' hitting Steamboat with what I think was an umbrella, allowing Regal to.hit the German Suplex for the pin.

    Verdict: This was very good stuff.

    Charlie Norris vs Big Sky

    'Big Sky' was the guy who played Sabretooth in the first X-Men movie. That tidbit of information is more interesting than the match. It sucked. There were 'boring' chants and chants of 'We want Flair' and it only went about four minutes. Norris won the match.

    Verdict: Watch X-Men. Good film that.

    Too Cold Scorpio and Buff Bagwell vs The Equalizer and Paul Orndorff

    The match was OK. The fans were into Scorpio and Bagwell. Scorpio won by hitting a 450 splash which the fans loved.

    Verdict: Like watching Air Boom but not as good.

    Ice Train vs Shanghai Pierce

    No idea who Ice Train was. Pierce and his manager Tex Slazenger would go on to be known as the Godwinns in the WWF. I love the name Shanghai Pierce. Let's go for a wild first name and for the second name go with the poshest name possible. The other Godwinn should have been called Amazon Lawrence. Match was too short to really form an opinion on it. Train won with a powerslam.

    Verdict: Forgettable.

    The Nasty Boys vs Paul Roma and Arn Anderson (World Tag Titles)

    Long match. Too long in my view. Bored me at times. Nasty Boys won via some heel tactics behind the ref's back, Arn worked hard here.

    Verdict: Arn earned his pay.

    Cactus Jack vs Yoshi Kwan

    There was some whacky storyline in the build to this match where Foley had lost his memory and was living with the homeless. Foley was shown clean shaven and scruffy looking and reminded me of a bigger looking Rhyno. The match was short but fun. Cactus won with the double arm DDT and challenged Vader to a match afterwards telling him twice 'You're next!' so he had that line before Godlberg. Kwan incidentally was played by an American guy called Christopher Ashford-Smith, from Tampa, Florida, who as Wiki explains, "wore makeup to make him appear to be both Asian and slightly slant eyed". Wrestling in the early nineties eh?

    Verdict: Foley is always fun.

    Rick Rude vs Ric Flair (NWA World Heavyweight Title)

    Flair was accompanied by Fifi. No not the little dog that used to accompany La Resistance but a woman who played a French maid in WCW. It was funny because before the match Rude did his old schtick of showing tights with a face on it, this time Fifi. The match was good and enjoyable and Flair was super over. Rude won the match by hitting Flair with some brass knucks. This caught me by surprise as I had never heard Rude had been a World Champion. Wiki provided an explanation:
    It was originally advertised as an NWA World Heavyweight title match, but on September 1, WCW withdrew from the NWA. WCW kept the Big Gold Belt that represented the NWA World Heavyweight Championship at the time and renamed it the WCW International World Heavyweight Championship.

    So I think then that Rude is acknowledged in wrestling history as a WCW International World Heavyweight Champion but not a legititimate World Champion on account of this issue, which I think is a shame.

    Verdict: Good.

    Sting, Dustin Rhodes, Davey Boy and the f*cking Shockmaster (:pac:) vs Harlem Heat, Vader and Sid Vicious

    Aww Shockmaster lost the crazy costume. This match was a stinker. The finish sucked with Booker submitting to the Shockmaster via a BEARHUG. Man, losing to Hunter at WM 19 doesn't seem so bad now. Heh.


    Overall show verdict: Well there were three title changes, two of them in very enjoyable matches. The rest of the show though was poor to average fare. It was disappointing not to see the Hollywood Blondes as they have tended to deliver big in my look back at shows from this period. Their absence was noticeable to me. The poor main event, which I understand to be one of the least liked War Games matches, tips this show in the negative direction for me.

    I give this show a thumbs down and recommend just checking out the Steamboat/Regal match and, if you are a fan of the Ravishing one, Rude vs Flair. Don't waste your time on the rest.

    Next time I hope to check out Halloween Havoc 1993 which would have been more appropriate to do this evening but oh well...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,630 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    WCW Halloween Havoc 1993

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    I continue my look back at WCW events from 1993 with Halloween Havoc which took place on October 24th of that year from the Lakefront Arrena, New Orleans, Louisiana.

    The show kicked off with another insanely whacky video package involving some kids trick or treating and ending up at Tony Schiavone's house who had seemingly cooked his wife or something. :eek: He invites them inside and reveals the PPV card to them. Obviously these kids don't know the rule that when you see Tony Schiavone you scream and run away instantly. In fairness to Tony he was pretty good here.

    Schiavone was on commentary with Jesse Ventura and was dressed like him. Bischoff was wearing some crazy US Civil War soldier garb and there was a spin-the-wheel on the show which would determine the Vader/Cactus Jack match for later on (which turned out to be a Texas Deathmatch. More on that later). On to the card...

    Harlem Heat and the Equalizer vs Shockmaster, Ice Train and Charlie Norris

    I watched most of these at the last PPV and don't particularly care for any of them except for Harlem Heat so I wasn't thrilled by this opener. It was average enough stuff. Norris was on the last PPV and was doing a Native American gimmick. I think he was a genuine Native American. Finish saw poor Booker do the job once again to the Shockmaster via a bearhug into an inverted Atomic Drop.

    Verdict: Not in my fave five.

    Paul Orndorff vs Ricky Steamboat

    I liked Steamboat's performance at the last PPV Fall Brawl against Regal but this one wasn't as good. The chemistry didn't seem to be quite there on this night. Steamboat lost when Paul's manager the Assassin put some object in his mask and used it to headbutt him causing him to lose by count-out.

    Verdict: Not great.

    Davey Boy Smith vs Lord Steven Regal (World Television Title)

    I wasn't aware these two had wrestled before so I was excited to see it. The match was quite good with some nice technical moments, but wasn't helped by a disappointing finish. Davey Boy had hit a piledriver and had Regal pinned but the time expired and so Regal retained via the draw.

    Verdict: Good with a poor ending

    Stunning Steve Austin vs Dustin Rhodes (US Title)

    Some fan had a sign which said 'Stunning Steve Austin - wrestler of the 90s'. How right he/she was. If only WCW knew. As I said in my last write-up I was disappointed to see the Blondes missing from the card so seeing one of them here was a big plus. This was a good match, helped by Austin's heelish antics which were very humourous even back then. Again however this match wasn't helped by the finish which saw Austin pin Rhodes via feet on the ropes. The ref had counted to three but seeing his mistake the ref just continued the contest and then Rhodes won with a roll-up when Austin's shoulders didn't even look down. The fans were happy but all I could think was WHAT?

    Verdict: Same verdict as the previous match.

    Nasty Boys vs Buff Bagwell and 2 Cold Scorpio (Tag Title match)

    Bagwell and Scorpio had won the titles the night before on TV. The fans were into the match in a big way and it was better than I expected. Finish saw Scorpio hit the 450 and have the match won but the Nasty Boys cheated behind the ref's back and got the win and the titles back.

    Verdict: Good

    Sid Vicious vs Sting

    Apparently this was to see who WCW's franchise guy was. Time would show Bischoff felt it was Hulk Hogan. Sid had quite a bit of support here from the guys in the crowd and was pretty over but Sting was Sting and so he had his fans and it didn't sound like the older fans turned on him. There was more goofiness with the finish here as Sid's manager the Colonel inadvertently took Sid's leg allowing Sting roll him up for the win.

    Verdict: OK

    Ric Flair vs Rick Rude (WCW International World Title)

    As I noted in the review of Fall Brawl the title was rebranded with the above moniker. Terry Taylor was acting as a second referee. This was an enjoyable match which the fans were into as Flair was loved and Rude despised, but yet AGAIN we had a whacky finish. The first ref was knocked down and Rude had tried to use some brass knucks on Flair but Flair got a hold of them and used them on Rude. Taylor was about to make the count to win the match but the first ref recovered and spotted Flair had used the knucks so Flair was DQ'd and Rude retained. Flair attacked Rude afterwards. Keep in mind that by this stage the only match with a non-bullsh*t finish was the first match which no one cared about.

    Verdict: Good, but these finishes...WHY?

    Vader vs Cactus Jack (Texas Death Match)

    Guess what my criticism of this match will be? Vader was the WCW champ but you wouldn't know it as neither him nor his manager Harley Race seemed to carry the fecking belt with them. This was a non-title match and the motivation was Foley looking for revenge against the guy who had given him amnesia in another crazy off-the-wall WCW storyline.

    The rules of this match were batsh*t insane. Essentially you had to pin your opponent which would trigger a 30 second rest period - which would be followed by the guy pinned having to make a 10 count. Confused? So was Vader at the finish when he had laid out Cactus whilst Harley screamed 'pin him, pin him'. There had to be a pin to initiate the rest period. Just total rubbish and it really hurt the match. The match was what you'd expect. There was blood and a table (which wasn't really used) and some chair shots. Not a Cactus Classic. The finish saw Harley shock Foley in the leg with a Tazer and he was counted for a 10 count so Vader won.

    Verdict: Another sh*tty finish and nonsensical rules hurt this match bad.


    Overall show verdict: I'm starting to realise why WCW lost reportedly 23 million dollars in 1993. The talent on this show is exceptional - Flair, Vader, Rude, Foley, Steamboat, Sting, Austin etc. but the lame finishes really tainted the whole event.

    On the plus side the crowd were great and really made the matches feel important and they definitely deserved better endings. I think this was the period when Dusty and Ole Anderson were booking silly storylines and BS finishes and it definitely hurt the product.

    I'm afraid with no real classic matches to recommend and because of all the silly conclusions to the matches, this is another PPV I will have to give a thumbs down to. One to avoid.

    Just 2 WCW PPVs from '93 to get through now. Phew.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,013 ✭✭✭✭jaykhunter


    When the Nasty boys have the best match on the card you know you're in trouble! Brave man with these WCW 93 ppvs!! keep it up man :)


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