Up in court this morning

bogmanfan · 24-04-2007 8:44am #1

Hey all. Mate of mine is up in court this morning for failing to pay a speeding penalty fine in time. Basically, the points notice was sent to an old address, and he didn't actually get it until after the 28 days had elapsed. How do you reckon he'll get on? He has bills etc. to prove that he wasn't living at the old address at the time, and he had sent off the change of address form to Shannon, but it hadn't been processed. Any ideas how judges view this kind of thing? He's just hoping they don't give him the 4 points (has 4 already)

Seth Brundle · 24-04-2007 9:08am

Can he prove that he sent off the change of address form? I presume that the judge will ask him the situation and then throw 4 points at him.

drdre · 24-04-2007 12:24pm

he should be alright if he has the proof.it all really depends on the judge

Darragh29 · 24-04-2007 12:29pm

bogmanfan wrote:

Hey all. Mate of mine is up in court this morning for failing to pay a speeding penalty fine in time. Basically, the points notice was sent to an old address, and he didn't actually get it until after the 28 days had elapsed. How do you reckon he'll get on? He has bills etc. to prove that he wasn't living at the old address at the time, and he had sent off the change of address form to Shannon, but it hadn't been processed. Any ideas how judges view this kind of thing? He's just hoping they don't give him the 4 points (has 4 already)

(1) Wear a suit and look respectable!

(2) If you get the judge in a kind of humour where he is pissed off listening to the Gardai making mistakes all morning, he/she might just throw it out! I'd be admitting to the offence and arguing for the 2 point penalty & fine, I'd say you mate will get out of it for that!

bogmanfan · 24-04-2007 12:30pm

Judge didn't want to know about it. 4 points and a fine. He now has 8:eek:

Mitch Connor · 24-04-2007 12:42pm

i think that is ridiculas. If you are not informed about the fine, how can you possibly pay it? Its not his fault the change of address form was not processed. Terrible, just terrible.

MercMad · 24-04-2007 12:43pm

I think that this is outrageous !

The whole point of going to Court is that you can have your say, a Judge who doesn't want to know should not be on the bench !

on the othert hand i think a lot of folk move houses and only update their vehicle details when their tax is due, few are concientious enough to do it at the approriate time.

I imagine the Judge saw little or no proof that the accused tried to change his address records correctly !

Tough break !

drdre · 24-04-2007 12:49pm

bogmanfan wrote:

Judge didn't want to know about it. 4 points and a fine. He now has 8:eek:

Tell him to appeal it, i have 8 and its really hard to drive with 8 as you are always worried as you dont want more.:)

Tell your friend to appeal it and next time he might get a better judge who will listen.What court was it in?

bazz26 · 24-04-2007 1:24pm

drdre wrote:

Tell him to appeal it, i have 8 and its really hard to drive with 8 as you are always worried as you dont want more.:)

How did you manage to get 8 points?

Cactus Col · 24-04-2007 1:32pm

drdre wrote:

Tell him to appeal it, i have 8 and its really hard to drive with 8 as you are always worried as you dont want more.:)

You'll find if you don't speed and obey the rules of the road you don't need to worry.

That said, obviously if you could do that you wouldn't have 8 points anyway.

Robbo · 24-04-2007 1:33pm

bazz26 wrote:

How did you manage to get 8 points?

That's a thread of great renown which probably needs to be stickied as a tale of caution.

Darragh29 · 24-04-2007 1:33pm

Defo appeal it.

drdre · 24-04-2007 1:34pm

bazz26 wrote:

How did you manage to get 8 points?

Speeding over the past 3yrs

. Hopefully 4 are coming off by october.

stovelid · 24-04-2007 2:06pm

Did the judge realize that he had the other points already. Probably wasn't inclined to give hin benefit of the doubt?

Fey! · 24-04-2007 2:36pm

How did he find out that he was due in court?

Kimbot · 24-04-2007 2:38pm

Well the fact that he left everything until the court date to say it went to the wrong address is why the judge gave him that punishment!! Why didn't he go to the summoning garda before today to try sort it out??

AntiVirus · 24-04-2007 2:55pm

jonny24ie wrote:

Well the fact that he left everything until the court date to say it went to the wrong address is why the judge gave him that punishment!! Why didn't he go to the summoning garda before today to try sort it out??

Once you recieve a summons for not paying a speeding ticket on time you have to go to court. There is nothing the summoning garda can do.

craichoe · 24-04-2007 3:16pm

AntiVirus wrote:

Once you recieve a summons for not paying a speeding ticket on time you have to go to court. There is nothing the summoning garda can do.

NOT true, The Garda can inform the DPP of the circumstances and the DPP can request to the case stricken out.

I had the same thing happen to me, they gave the summons to my parents and i wasn't in the country, came back and contacted the Garda, i had presented my License and Insurance Cert in the wrong station, stupid me

But the garda said it was fine and to turn up in court anyway.

Still had to go to court but i just stood up when called and the DPP said "We request that be struck out Judge"

Turner · 24-04-2007 3:25pm

As this comes up regularly the Garda normally asks when taking down details from a license "Is this your current address"

If it was a speed camera which there are very few how did the person not receive the fine but receive the summons ??

craichoe · 24-04-2007 3:56pm

Chief--- wrote:

As this comes up regularly the Garda normally asks when taking down details from a license "Is this your current address"

If it was a speed camera which there are very few how did the person not receive the fine but receive the summons ??

Indeed it would have been his current address, often the gardai say nothing about the outcome and you just get a fine in the post. In the meantime he could have moved, never have received the fine, registered his change of address, the Garda checked pulse and then applied for a summons then delivered it to the new address

Victor_M · 24-04-2007 4:49pm

Cactus Col wrote:

You'll find if you don't speed and obey the rules of the road you don't need to worry.

That said, obviously if you could do that you wouldn't have 8 points anyway.

Very Helpful:rolleyes:

drdre · 24-04-2007 4:58pm

Cactus Col wrote:

You'll find if you don't speed and obey the rules of the road you don't need to worry.

That said, obviously if you could do that you wouldn't have 8 points anyway.

Thats a very intelligent reply.I know that.Tell me something i dont know

Fey! · 24-04-2007 5:06pm

OT - To be fair to DrDre, from reading his posts on here for the last while, he appears to have learnt his lesson.

However, this being t'internet, nobody here ever seems to have lived in a glass house.

Stark · 24-04-2007 5:19pm

The address on my licence is different to the address my car is registered at. The address on my previous licence showed an address I was renting for a while, then I was living in a new place for several months before getting a new licence with the new address. My car is registered to my parents' address.

If I was caught speeding by a camera or whatever, would the points and fine go to the parents' address (the registration address of the car) or whatever address was on my licence at the time?

drdre · 24-04-2007 5:20pm

Fey! wrote:

OT - To be fair to DrDre, from reading his posts on here for the last while, he appears to have learnt his lesson.

However, this being t'internet, nobody here ever seems to have lived in a glass house.

Thanks fey and i dont need to be told that you get points for speeding.I think i know that.:rolleyes:
I havnt got points since early last year so i have learnt my lesson.

Turner · 24-04-2007 5:57pm

Stark wrote:

The address on my licence is different to the address my car is registered at. The address on my previous licence showed an address I was renting for a while, then I was living in a new place for several months before getting a new licence with the new address. My car is registered to my parents' address.

If I was caught speeding by a camera or whatever, would the points and fine go to the parents' address (the registration address of the car) or whatever address was on my licence at the time?

Fine would go to your parents address.

Eventually the summons would too, it can be served on either of your parents by a garda in person.

Supercell · 24-04-2007 6:40pm

If you update the address for tax purposes, say if you move house and buy a new car afterwards, does your license address automatically get updated?

I assumed it did but am beginning to wonder if the two systems do not verify with each other?
If they don't, could i walk into the local Garda station and ask them to check if I've any points since moving house last autumn?!!

legs11 · 24-04-2007 6:54pm

thats ballix, he should appeal. very unfair IMO.

DrDre, you never cease to amaze me, we know you got a passion for speed :rolleyes:
but why were you interested in buying the polo which is now happily living peaceful life in the ocean bed........

thought you might like something with a bit more ooomph.....!

drdre · 24-04-2007 7:26pm

legs11 wrote:

thats ballix, he should appeal. very unfair IMO.

DrDre, you never cease to amaze me, we know you got a passion for speed :rolleyes:
but why were you interested in buying the polo which is now happily living peaceful life in the ocean bed........

thought you might like something with a bit more ooomph.....!

I have too many penalty points so im going to use a under powered car for 1 yr till some points come off

yayamark · 24-04-2007 7:50pm

Stark wrote:

The address on my licence is different to the address my car is registered at. The address on my previous licence showed an address I was renting for a while, then I was living in a new place for several months before getting a new licence with the new address. My car is registered to my parents' address.

If I was caught speeding by a camera or whatever, would the points and fine go to the parents' address (the registration address of the car) or whatever address was on my licence at the time?

all depends
1. if u were stopped ba a garda he can do two things
(a) take down the address off ur licence
(b) or ask u for ur present adress

if u are to be summonsed for this offence whatever address the garda takes down this is the address the summons will be sent to

2. if u are caught by the camera the fixed charge notice will be sent to wherever the vehicle is registered.

hope that makes sense:cool:

AntiVirus · 24-04-2007 8:31pm

craichoe wrote:

NOT true, The Garda can inform the DPP of the circumstances and the DPP can request to the case stricken out.

I had the same thing happen to me, they gave the summons to my parents and i wasn't in the country, came back and contacted the Garda, i had presented my License and Insurance Cert in the wrong station, stupid me But the garda said it was fine and to turn up in court anyway.

Still had to go to court but i just stood up when called and the DPP said "We request that be struck out Judge"

You didn't have the same thing happen to you. If you didn't pay a speeding fine you would have to go to court. It cannot be struck off! Simple really.

Up in court this morning

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