Cheating?

ShowUsYourXbox

Would you consider it cheating, if you were playing an FPS game on xbox live and you knew one of the apposing players was using a mouse and keyboard adapter?

Something like this

http://www.divineo.co.uk/cgi-bin/div-uk/360-xfps.html

I personally can't play FPS games with a joypad, i did for GOW but only offline and i didn't enjoy it as much as i could have.

I want one of these adapters, but ive a feeling ill just get constantly kicked from servers by people who think im cheating.

anto1208

I never play online its all ways full of saddo nerds that sit for days playing the games so they know every little trick on every little level . Deathmatches just bore the arse of me.......oh im dead ,.....now im alive ..... now your dead.....now your alive ...yawn whats the point .

I cant see how using a keyboard and mouse would make much difference , i suppose its down to what you are more comfortable using , personally i cant see how using a keyboard is easier than a controller .

smcelhinney

Thats not cheating..

In my opinion, cheating is using a games known exploits to gain an advantage. Using preferred peripherals is not exploiting.

Work away! What FPS is it, and I´ll tell you if I can own you.. : )

mcgovern

From what I hear those are not all they are made out to be.
Went back and played HL2 again on the PC at the weekend, hadn't played a FPS on a PC in over a year and it just feels wrong. Yes its more accurate but no rumble is a killer!

Mitch Connor

i think control pads are more realistic - as the speed at which you character can move can be limited. I think you can turn far too quickly in FPS titles using a mouse, the speed is unrealistic.

ShowUsYourXbox

I've been playing FPS games on the PC for the best part of 8 years, so it would be a massive advantage to me.

I'm thinking more about into the future games wise, Halo probably.

Anyway, im glad to hear everyones fairly open minded about it!

Clank

If you cant play FPS with a gamepad then dont play FPS on a console.
It is unfair as I think we all know for accuracy you cant beat a mouse and keyboard.
There was an adaptor for the old Xbox that was used a bit in Halo 2 and it did give an advantage as I tried it.
I would kick you from my server for using it.:)

Ciaran500

Tauren wrote:

i think control pads are more realistic - as the speed at which you character can move can be limited. I think you can turn far too quickly in FPS titles using a mouse, the speed is unrealistic.

You can turn far faster in real life than you can with a pad but you would be slower than you can do it with a mouse. Although if you were aiming at something infront of you, a mouse gives a much more realistic representation of what speed you would be able to aim at.

brianon

All the talk of realism with/without pad/keyboard is kinda funny. Where is the realism in games such as GOW ? I am crap at FPS with joypad. But with keyboard and mouse I am slightly less crap

RE*AC*TOR

Unreal 3 on the PS3 will allow keyboard and mouse.

TheDoc

those adapters are quality, ive been playing playing pc fps for over 10 years now, and using a mouse and board is so much easier, snipin in GOW and getting headshots in rainbow six is great now...makes the game more fun cause im not ieing all the time or wondering why im missing.

event

naw, thast not cheating

Karmafaerie

It depends on what you consider cheating.
I wouldn't call it cheating, but it definitely puts you at a advantage over people without.

IMO it's like America invading second and third world countries.
It's the equivalent of sending in Blackhawks and cruise missiles, against people with machine guns and RPG's.

Julez

If its giving you an advantage over others, then your not on fair terms with everyone else, hence cheating... makes the game unfair?! Am I wrong?

ShowUsYourXbox

RE*AC*TOR wrote:

Unreal 3 on the PS3 will allow keyboard and mouse.

Sony have the right idea here. I don't know why Microsoft don't release their own keyboard and mouse adapter.

Ciaran500

Cause it gives an unfair advantage to people who spend more money.

RE*AC*TOR

You don't even need an adapter, I have a usb-wireless keyboard and mouse from a pc - it works perfectly with the PS3. Any one will work.

As for the unfair advantage - setup the servers as having restrictions - you can have a joypad only server, a k&m only server, or one that supports either.

Personally I'd really love to play Resistance FOM with a keyboard and mouse - on the PS3 its up to the developer to add support for K&M.

um7y1h83ge06nx

RE*AC*TOR wrote:

As for the unfair advantage - setup the servers as having restrictions - you can have a joypad only server, a k&m only server, or one that supports either.

But can the PS3 or Xbox360 distinguish between a pad and a keyboard and mouse?

With the adaptor that was put up in this thread for the 360 I doubt it.

ShowUsYourXbox

Not right now it can't. But if microsoft released a software update, allowing keyboard and mouse to be used, it would be possible to detect and then server restrictions could be put in place.

It would be the fairest way..

(I'd get bored of schooling joypad jockies anyway :P)

god's toy

In no way is that cheating! Hell so that means everyone who has a stearing weel for car games is cheating too? come on. I have one of those guys and it works for only a few FPS games but it's still better than using the joypad.

Karmafaerie

god's toy wrote:

In no way is that cheating! Hell so that means everyone who has a stearing weel for car games is cheating too? come on. I have one of those guys and it works for only a few FPS games but it's still better than using the joypad.

Come on!
The difference between a steering wheel and joypad is nowhere near that of a mouse/keyboard and keypad.

The steering wheel does the exact same thing as the joypad in a different way. Everything that can be done with a steering wheel, can be done with a joypad.

The mouse can differentiate between pixels, and move a hell of a lot faster than a joypad, so it allows you do do things that you can't with a joypad.

It's a completely different kettle of fish.

Vegeta

I would love a hybrid

the analog stick off a pad for movement and a the mouse for aiming.

I don't like k&m because I find it uncomfortable to use the keyboard and I don't like how slow the pads react

god's toy

The difference between a steering wheel and joypad is nowhere near that of a mouse/keyboard and keypad.

The steering wheel does the exact same thing as the joypad in a different way. Everything that can be done with a steering wheel, can be done with a joypad.

The mouse can differentiate between pixels, and move a hell of a lot faster than a joypad, so it allows you do do things that you can't with a joypad.

It's a completely different kettle of fish.

I dont agree.

Karmafaerie

god's toy wrote:

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I dont agree.

Care to give a (factual) reason?!

Or is this one of those "Yeah, but you can prove anything with facts", kind of positions you're taking?

Julez

If anything the steering wheel makes it more difficult!!

god's toy

Karmafaerie wrote:

Care to give a (factual) reason?!

Or is this one of those "Yeah, but you can prove anything with facts", kind of positions you're taking?

That's the one

Karmafaerie

god's toy wrote:

Karmafaerie wrote:

god's toy wrote:

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I dont agree.

Care to give a (factual) reason?!

Or is this one of those "Yeah, but you can prove anything with facts", kind of positions you're taking?;)

That's the one

ShowUsYourXbox

I'm going to buy one and see what happens.

Thanks for the feedback!

ShevY

http://www.divineo.co.uk/cgi-bin/div-uk/360-xfps.html

i have one of these and will sell for 40euro!

only ever play pro evo on the xbox.

ShowUsYourXbox

Check your pm's Shevy

brianon

Karmafaerie wrote:

Come on!
The difference between a steering wheel and joypad is nowhere near that of a mouse/keyboard and keypad.

The steering wheel does the exact same thing as the joypad in a different way. Everything that can be done with a steering wheel, can be done with a joypad.

The mouse can differentiate between pixels, and move a hell of a lot faster than a joypad, so it allows you do do things that you can't with a joypad.

It's a completely different kettle of fish.

Using that logic you could argue that someone using a laser mouse in a PC FPS is cheating compared to the guy using a optical or ye old tracker ball mouse !