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Explanation of PR

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    #32
    ballooba
    Registered Users Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭ballooba


    Chakar wrote:
    This advice, which happened to be given to the Government by the Attorney General of Ireland.
    The AG at the end of the day, like your fearless leader, is only human and can make mistakes.


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    #33
    Chakar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭Chakar


    ballooba wrote:
    The AG at the end of the day, like your fearless leader, is only human and can make mistakes.

    Well we'll see won't we.


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    #34
    GreeBo
    Registered Users Posts: 27,163 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Im confused:

    Say you have two people, Bill and Bob.
    Bill votes 1-10 for his preferences, putting X as number 1 and Y as number 2.
    Bob votes 1 and also puts X as his number 1.

    Bills vote is used and his number 1 gets a seat.
    When i comes to "use" Bobs vote since his number 1 is already voted in they look at his subsequent votes right?
    But he doesnt have any so what happens to his vote?

    Doesnt it make more sense to first "use" the ballots that only have 1 candidate, working your way through them, then onto the ballots with 2 preferences etc.

    Another way of asking the same question, if X needs 100 votes to get a seat and he get 110 votes, which 10 ballots transferred?:confused:


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    #35
    Wicklow Boy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17 ✭Wicklow Boy


    The most important thing to remember is that your vote can only be used once. If both Vote for X and X gets exactly the quota required their second preferences are never looked at as in effect their first preference vote has been utililsed.

    If The quota is 1000 and X gets 1100 then there is a surplus to be distributed of 100 votes as only 1000 are needed to elect X. All 1100 votes are checked for number 2's and the 100 votes are distributed proportionally (See anomaly below)by precentage of number 2's . So if Z gets 51% of X's number 2's he willl get 51 of the 100 votes

    Which 51? This is the controversial area but what happens is that all votes when sorted are randomized into pigeon holes to mix them up and taken and put into bundles of 50 for the candidate. If candidate X has 100 surplus then 100 votes are taken from his 1100 which would be about 2 from the top of each seperate bundle to maintain randomness.

    Even in a recount these bundles are not broken just rechecked so that there is no such thing as a recount in the hope that there would be a different lottery result!!!!

    The anomaly with surpluses is that if there are votes with no second preferences then these are NOT COUNTED when checking the proportions!!!!!! So if in the example of 1100 votes checked for number 2, if 300 are non transferable and candidate Z gets 400 votes then 50 votes (i,e, 400/800) are transferred and NOT 400/1100 as you might think. I have always argued that this gives an unfair advantage some candidates as it does not carry out the wishes of the voter as indicated on the ballot paper but it is the correct way to distribute surpluses as per the electoral act!!!


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