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17 yr old girl not allowed an abortion

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    #422
    ballroom blitz
    Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭ballroom blitz


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0507/abortion.html

    Seems she's not allowed travel.


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    #423
    roberta c
    Closed Accounts Posts: 155 ✭✭roberta c


    complete and utter bulls**t! Its againt basic human rights!
    Have they heard of the concept... eh... freedom!


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    #424
    Time Magazine
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    roberta c wrote:
    complete and utter bulls**t! Its againt basic human rights!
    Have they heard of the concept... eh... freedom!
    I imagine judges have heard of the concept of freedom, yeah.

    Which basic human right is this again?


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    #425
    Thrill
    Registered Users Posts: 5,485 ✭✭✭Thrill


    Terrible decision imo.

    This girl now has to go through giving birth and then watching her newborn
    baby die pretty soon afterword.

    Not something you would want any woman of any age to go through.
    Let alone a 17 year old.


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    #426
    Time Magazine
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    There's appeal to the High Court.


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    #427
    simu
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    Hope she gets a more liberal judge there.

    Tis all a bit cruel and unusual. :/


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    #428
    Bottle_of_Smoke
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    If she travelled to Belfast would the PSNI have any power to stop her flying to London?


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    #429
    Sam Vimes
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    ballroom blitz wrote:
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0507/abortion.html

    Seems she's not allowed travel.
    that's fcuking stupid.


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    #430
    aidan_walsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,208 ✭✭✭✭aidan_walsh


    Bottle_of_Smoke wrote:
    If she travelled to Belfast would the PSNI have any power to stop her flying to London?
    If an official request came in from the Gardai, AFAIK yes they would.


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    #431
    PeakOutput
    Registered Users Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    the hse went to the district court looking for an order to ALLOW her to travel the ruling in the district court was not that she could not travel but that the district court did not have the power to issue an order allowing her to travel..........

    its something along the lines of the district court says she should not need an order and therefore it could not issue one and the hse is saying they cannot let her go without one........personally i trust the court when it says she should not need one therefore i have not been given the power to give one

    the high court will review the district courts verdict and also hear the priginal case which is the state against the girl and her bf as far as i know

    probably badly worded but i am pretty sure thats what happened from listening to all the news buletins talk shows etc


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    #432
    mike65
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    Not read this thread so someone is bound to have asked this -

    How can she be stopped? She's over 16 the HSE can't chain her to a cell radiator and she does'nt require a passport (only some decent ID) to cross the water.

    Mike.


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    #433
    PeakOutput
    Registered Users Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    mike65 wrote:
    Not read this thread so someone is bound to have asked this -

    How can she be stopped? She's over 16 the HSE can't chain her to a cell radiator and she does'nt require a passport (only some decent ID) to cross the water.

    Mike.

    shes a minor until she is 18 and the hse are her legal guardians so they make the decisions for her like a parent would in theory


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    #434
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    That raises another question, how can she 'sign out' of being held by the HSE, a guardian could be her boyfriend who's 18+ or indeed her mother (who backs her daughter) even if they are estranged.

    Mike.


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    #435
    Thrill
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    mike65 wrote:
    Not read this thread so someone is bound to have asked this -

    How can she be stopped? She's over 16 the HSE can't chain her to a cell radiator and she does'nt require a passport (only some decent ID) to cross the water.

    Mike.

    Someone earlier said something about her not having the resources to do so.
    No money for travel, accommodation and probably the cost of the procedure as
    well.


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    #436
    PeakOutput
    Registered Users Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    mike65 wrote:
    That raises another question, how can she 'sign out' of being held by the HSE, a guardian could be her boyfriend who's 18+ or indeed her mother (who backs her daughter) even if they are estranged.

    Mike.

    they have a mandatory custody order??? or something called something similar to that ....basically they are in charge of her welfare because either her parents asked them to or they dont see the parents as fit...........giving guardianship to a boyfriend is probably completely wrong to do even if legally possible


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    #437
    county
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    PeakOutput wrote:
    they have a mandatory custody order??? or something called something similar to that ....basically they are in charge of her welfare because either her parents asked them to or they dont see the parents as fit...........giving guardianship to a boyfriend is probably completely wrong to do even if legally possible
    does she live with the mother?


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    #438
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Maybe but it makes you wonder does'nt it? One day you are 'free' the next a state body is running your life and it'll take a judge or a panel of them to change that.

    Mike.


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    #439
    PeakOutput
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    county wrote:
    does she live with the mother?

    no idea


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    #440
    county
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    i`ve a feeling the situation could go from bad to worse and a few people will have blood on there hands


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    #441
    coffee_cake
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    thrill wrote:
    Someone earlier said something about her not having the resources to do so.
    No money for travel, accommodation and probably the cost of the procedure as
    well.
    Her mother and the bf and his family will pay. It's not a cost issue


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    #442
    Splinter
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    http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/?jp=MHAUSNIDSNQL

    looks like shes won the case


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    #443
    PinkPrincess26
    Closed Accounts Posts: 118 ✭✭PinkPrincess26


    Im happy the poor girl got what she wanted in the end...


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    #444
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    I hope the entire ordeal doesnt leave her too traumatised, but I think some good has come of it in highlighting the abortion case, once again I believe it may have helped some realise it is unfair for the state to determine a young girls fate.


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    #445
    Macha
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,376 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    Hallelujah

    For once the rights of a foetus won't be put ahead those of a fully grown woman.

    I wonder would the law on abortion be different if men could get pregnant? No doubt


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    #446
    JC 2K3
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    taconnol wrote:
    I wonder would the law on abortion be different if men could get pregnant? No doubt
    Yeah, because the reason abortion is illegal is because men want to opress women. Nothing to do with the sensitive issue of ending a potential life at all. You're right, it's just because it's women and not men who get pregnant.

    I mean who ever heard of a *shock* pro-life woman?


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    #447
    humanji
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    It's a fairly valid point. Women have always been seen as second to men where politics and religion are concered up until the last hundred years, and even now it's not fully equal. A lot of laws are created by men with little regard to any womans input in the situation.


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    #448
    nesf
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    taconnol wrote:
    I wonder would the law on abortion be different if men could get pregnant? No doubt

    I don't think so. Most of the issues come from the whole being perceived as murder thing. The anti-woman motivation would make up a very small part of it tbh.


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    #449
    chump
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    Terrible affair altogether. The HSE are a shower of miscreants. Inept to the core.


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    #450
    Macha
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    nesf wrote:
    I don't think so. Most of the issues come from the whole being perceived as murder thing. The anti-woman motivation would make up a very small part of it tbh.

    Not so. The main force behind the anti-abortion or 'pro life' side is the catholic church, a mysogynistic influence if ever there was one.


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    #451
    Macha
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,376 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    ah just stirring it up


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